CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[specsaregood]

The add is not about him..

Then you either didn't watch the ad or they hired the worst possible advertising company to create it--entirely possible.

 

[gls]

You assume their intent was to fund this candidate. It was not. The funds paid for the ad. And, if you look at the add in terms of marketing, it framed the product (the survey) with the candidate. It wasn't about the candidate.

The commercial may have exploited a loophole, since the CFL cannot legally endorse, but it is an obvious advocacy spot.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

is this bump needed?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

WOW!!

Good Catch, angelatc!!

Apparently there IS a Colorado specific Campaign for Liberty...

A quick Google search also turned this up:

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/527/campaign-for-liberty.asp

Pardon the poor formatting... but check out the groups and contributions! I don't see a group like this coming up with 350 Grand to buy an ad... Granted, this is 2006 stuff.

Let's keep digging, people!!

hmmmm, those donors to the Colorado specific Campaign For Liberty are all radical lefties.............. somehow I am brought back to the Dem plan to drive wedges now.......

 

[FrankRep]

hmmmm, those donors to the Colorado specific Campaign For Liberty are all radical lefties.............. somehow I am brought back to the Dem plan to drive wedges now.......

Group Name:
CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY
Stated Purpose:
TO SUPPORT POLITICAL CANDIDATES IN THE STATE OF COLORADO

Contact Person: JOHN BRITZ


http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/527/campaign-for-liberty.asp

John Britz Political Campaign Contributions 2008 Election Cycle

Contibuted To:

OBAMA VICTORY FUND - Democrat
PERLMUTTER FOR CONGRESS - Democrat
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE - Republican
COLORADO DEMOCRATIC PARTY - Democrat

 

[purplechoe]

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/123033

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Gunny, I know - you are one of the people that CFL could have and IMO should have funded. That they did not and chose instead to fund that )(*&^*&(&& has me seeing red.

Thanks so much MsDoodahs,

I'm trying not to get frustrated, really I'm not, but stuff like this makes it hard. Thanks to some help from MelissaWV I have SlimJims ready to produce to canvass with, but I still am not funded to produce them. I am way behind the donor curve because I am not a politician. The grassroots by and large is very interested in the big-ticket candidates for Federal offices who can't really do much to restore the Constitutional Order vice the State candidates who actually CAN.

I am following Ron Paul's plan to the letter, but we never covered financing a campaign in class. I really appreciate it, and I sure hope my worries will be dispelled come February 14th -- but with Vessol's pledge (I have no access to know what it is) we will in all likelihood have just broken $100. out of $20,000. That's 17 days away.

Even the JBS mentioned my name in TheNewAmerican recently (without my knowing ahead of time, mind you) stating directly that what I am doing is critical towards restoring the Constitutional order for the whole country.

I will avoid the rant here, but I too want an explanation from the C4L. Just imagine what 5k if similar radio and TV ads could have done for me in my district!!!!

 

[Bman]

You assume their intent was to fund this candidate. It was not.

LOL. You really think people are that stupid? If their intent wasn't to promote or seemingly endorse Buck they failed 100%. You cannot fail any worse. Well maybe if they had John Tate kissing Buck's ass it would have been a bit more clear, so I'll take it 99.9999%.

In other words you are telling me that when the CFL hires people they look for 1 in a million, biggest complete f*&king moron they can possibly find and give them access to $350,000.

Nope. Someone's ass needs to be tossed if the CFL hopes to see a dime from a bucket load of people. This is bad, unless it comes out that Joe Buck is Jesus Christ. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Hey Glen, I did not know about your campaign. I've bookmarked your page for Valentines Day between now and then I'll be getting a paycheck. Off-topic, just wanted to shout out for a fellow North Carolinian and wish you luck, even if you aren't from my district(I'm out near New Bern).

Hey thanks so much Vessol!

Really, this will impact far more than just NC, IMHO, and the JBS seems to agree. The real power to reassert the Constitutional order is not in the US Congress, but in the State Assemblies.

It's not as glamorous, it doesn't pay very well, and the moneybombs are in thousands instead of millions. But it costs less per voter AND overall, and it's where the real source of asserting the 9th and 10th Amendments truly lie.

We have a chance here to change...everything.

The NC State House will oversee redistricting in 2011, and we have a chance to make Mel Watt vulnerable -- IF we get elected. We all remember Mel Watt right?

Folks, this can't start in the US Congress. I'm sorry, but this has to start in the State Assemblies. If we really want to restore the Constitutional Order for the entire nation, then we have to start in the States. It's seriously the only way to make it work.

Thanks again Vessol, I appreciate it more than I can say.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

LOL. You really think people are that stupid? If their intent wasn't to promote or seemingly endorse Buck they failed 100%. You cannot fail any worse. Well maybe if they had John Tate kissing Buck's ass it would have been a bit more clear, so I'll take it 99.9999%.

In other words you are telling me that when the CFL hires people they look for 1 in a million, biggest complete f*&king moron they can possibly find and give them access to $350,000.

Nope. Someone's ass needs to be tossed if the CFL hopes to see a dime from a bucket load of people. This is bad, unless it comes out that Joe Buck is Jesus Christ. I'm not holding my breath.

What's got me wondering is that the IRS seems to think the money for the ad came from the Colorado liberal-progressive-centered Campaign for Liberty founded in 2006 what gave to Obama, while Gary Howard, comm dir of OUR C4L seems to state that it came from ours.

There is...weirdness...going on here.

Why does the IRS seem to think that the OTHER Campaign for Liberty funded the ad? Why does Gary Howard state that our C4L funded the ad?

One possible explanation that would make me feel a lot better, is that the OTHER Campaign For Liberty was funded by the radical left to do this on purpose and run the ad, and Gary Howard was bought and paid for to exacerbate the wedge-driving action through the proliferation of confusion.

If that's the case, then Howard needs to be terminated immediately, escorted out by security, and locked out of the building, and a statement of clarification must be made, as well as (at the very least a threat) something about the trademark infringement w the C4L.

In any case, this sure fits for all the world the exact profile of that Dem statement on how to drive wedges between us that came out a day or two ago.

In any case, the C4L needs to address this NOW.

 

[rp08orbust]

What's got me wondering is that the IRS seems to think the money for the ad came from the Colorado liberal-progressive-centered Campaign for Liberty founded in 2006 what gave to Obama

Where has the IRS indicated which C4L funded the ad?

 

[Reason]

Someone who knows the pres of C4L should go wake his ass up and kick him in the balls for not responding to this before the day was over.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

This thread has 10k+ views. Would the admins and site owners consider sharing some web traffic statistics on this viral thread?

 

[Bman]

What's got me wondering is that the IRS seems to think the money for the ad came from the Colorado liberal-progressive-centered Campaign for Liberty founded in 2006 what gave to Obama, while Gary Howard, comm dir of OUR C4L seems to state that it came from ours.

The fact that Gary Howard is saying that it is Ron Pauls CFL makes me believe that it is. If it is, I sure hope they do the right thing. By the right thing I mean getting rid of everyone who knew or participated in the add. If that means clearing the house that is the steps that should be taken.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Where has the IRS indicated which C4L funded the ad?

IIRC, somewhere buried in this thread and linked back to the original source for the article was something that had been dug up about the Colorado group sourcing the funding. I could possibly have read it wrong, but that was certainly the impression I got. I read every one of these some-360 posts and I'm not sure I want to agonize myself over all of it yet again. At this point I am just trying to suspend judgement and demand a statement from the C4L before I form any conclusions. If this IS what it looks like, then the C4L just lost a major supporter, no kidding.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Scott Brown is a neocon and that's the only comment I've ever made about him.

Ok. I said I wasn't sure who it was that made the call about Brown. Someone did in the Mod Forum. But, you did post about what you wanted the candidate subforums to be used for, because I quoted your post a couple of times after you made it.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

The fact that Gary Howard is saying that it is Ron Pauls CFL makes me believe that it is. If it is, I sure hope they do the right thing. By the right thing I mean getting rid of everyone who knew or participated in the add. If that means clearing the house that is the steps that should be taken.

Ya I agree. But then I don't know this Gary Howard character. I have no doubt he is actually the comm dir, but what if he was paid $1mil in an offshore account to lie and say that ad was his when it really came from the Colorado group? I mean, at this stage almost ANYTHING is possible. In any case, Gary Howard at least needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice no mater what else comes to light.

 

[gls]

It looks to me this is all about supporting the more 'conservative' primary candidate over the NRSC's chosen 'moderate'. I suppose the strategy makes sense but not much good can come from abandoning principles.

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2010/01/two_rays_of_hope_for_democrats.php

Point two: though Democrats are nervous about a potential primary in Colorado to Sen. Michael Bennet, the Republican Senate primary is already underway. A group associated with Ron Paul is spending $350,000 on a statewide advertising buy to prop up the conservative credentials of Ken Buck, who is challenging Jane Norton, the NRSC's chosen candidate (and a politician labeled by conservatives as Mini-McCain -- not, obviously, meant as a compliment.) If Democrats move forward on immigration in Congress, this primary will explode. Meanwhile, as I mentioned yesterday, Bennet's potential primary challenger, Andrew Romanoff, has been much less active than had originally been supposed. Given the political environment and Bennet's status as an appointee, Colorado's going to be tough for Democrats, but a divisive Republican primary could tilt the balance in the opposite direction.

 

[Bman]

Ya I agree. But then I don't know this Gary Howard character. I have no doubt he is actually the comm dir, but what if he was paid $1mil in an offshore account to lie and say that ad was his when it really came from the Colorado group? I mean, at this stage almost ANYTHING is possible. In any case, Gary Howard at least needs to be terminated with extreme prejudice no mater what else comes to light.

You've been hanging out with the truthers a bit to much.

However, if it something that extreme I'd doubt anyone would find out. The people with that type of cash hide it very well.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You've been hanging out with the truthers a bit to much.

However, if it something that extreme I'd doubt anyone would find out. The people with that type of cash hide it very well.

LOL -- except that I can conceive of possible scenarios without automatically assuming that they must be true

By Friday close of business we had BETTER get a response on this from John Tate or Ron Paul himself.

Ron Paul, at least, I trust cannot be bought at any price.