CFL Spent $350,000 on a pro-war Colorado candidate

[rancher89]

Hey thanks so much Vessol!

Really, this will impact far more than just NC, IMHO, and the JBS seems to agree. The real power to reassert the Constitutional order is not in the US Congress, but in the State Assemblies.

It's not as glamorous, it doesn't pay very well, and the moneybombs are in thousands instead of millions. But it costs less per voter AND overall, and it's where the real source of asserting the 9th and 10th Amendments truly lie.

We have a chance here to change...everything.

The NC State House will oversee redistricting in 2011, and we have a chance to make Mel Watt vulnerable -- IF we get elected. We all remember Mel Watt right?

Folks, this can't start in the US Congress. I'm sorry, but this has to start in the State Assemblies. If we really want to restore the Constitutional Order for the entire nation, then we have to start in the States. It's seriously the only way to make it work.

Thanks again Vessol, I appreciate it more than I can say.

I"ll say it again, my money has gone to the candidates, not the organizations, always. This includes the C4L. This candidate, and friend will continue to get whatever this unemployed person can spare. This fight is big in NC and we have the 9th highest unemployment in the US.

 

[YumYum]

I know Schiff needs the money badly.

True.

 

[Elwar]

My guess is that C4L is starting a survey campaign that was allotted $350,000 for that project. They created a survey, got a few back and made a quick ad for one of the early survey respondents with a message to others to respond.

At least that's what I hope.

The original article is written by a liberal news writer and the YouTube video is from a liberal who has another video of a top Dem who recently sent out a memo on "How to split the GOP".

I won't pass judgement until the details are revealed from a non-Democrat source.

 

[revolutionary8]

don't get me started

I take it you don't ride the big T.
so sorry

 

[johnrocks]

My guess is that C4L is starting a survey campaign that was allotted $350,000 for that project. They created a survey, got a few back and made a quick ad for one of the early survey respondents with a message to others to respond.

At least that's what I hope.

The original article is written by a liberal news writer and the YouTube video is from a liberal who has another video of a top Dem who recently sent out a memo on "How to split the GOP".

I won't pass judgement until the details are revealed from a non-Democrat source.

Probably the wise thing to do although this is truly unsettling to me, as much as liberty candidates could use this money.

 

[LittleLightShining]

I'm still reserving judgment but here's where I am right now:





(2) My moderate and most realistic theory is that it's Tate and CFL leadership are trying to "be political players" and further themselves (and their careers) by getting involved in high profile races. To be fair they could be thinking it helps C4L in the long run.

(3) My worst case scenario right now and least realistic is that some hack (or hacks) from a slightly more conservative wing of the GOP saw the money and membership CFL raised and thought "Hey we can take this over and use it for our purposes". Again I think it's the least likely but possible. There are always unemployed political hacks that want to move up in the world may have latched on to the CFL to direct them.

This is not the least likely scenario. Based on what I know about Rothfeld this is the most plausible scenario. Also, #3 is extremely relevant here.

In the "Is the C4L being infiltrated?" thread I mentioned some things that are REALLY relevant.

Wow!

If only someone had seen this coming...

His issues page is a bit scarce for me to make a decision based on it alone, but i'll be watching the show now that you've pointed it out. thanks.

This is why I haven't made a big deal about it here. Len and I had a very long talk about foreign policy and he is right on target with what we believe. I can't go into it much further here yet but I have been asked to help with certain aspects of his campaign

 

[Chieftain1776]

My guess is that C4L is starting a survey campaign that was allotted $350,000 for that project. They created a survey, got a few back and made a quick ad for one of the early survey respondents with a message to others to respond.

At least that's what I hope.

The original article is written by a liberal news writer and the YouTube video is from a liberal who has another video of a top Dem who recently sent out a memo on "How to split the GOP".

I won't pass judgement until the details are revealed from a non-Democrat source.

I don't want to hijack the thread but that YouTube user- DemSenClips is obviously part of an effort by the Democrats to drive a wedge between conservatives and the GOP i.e. painting those who believe federal health care is unconstitutional as radicals. Or if they agree with the healthcare being a federal issue then making them lose support amongst conservatives.

Look at what that user is doing with Buck's opponent, Jane Norton, now. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee admitted this is their plan. Pretty crafty in my opinion.

YouTube - Jane Norton Agrees: Government Should Play No Role in Health Care

That said it doesn't change the fundamental issue that the C4L used $350,000 to support a candidate many of us wouldn't contribute a dime to.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Well is this survey online? Cause I am sure it would be nice if the CFL "leaked" this survey to the grassroots we'd be able to generate more of a buzz than endorsing "unelectable candidates".

I mean hell, I have already looked up this candidate, that's gonna get him PR and more exposure. That is the ancillary benefit for the candidate and I understand that, but with out more circulation of the idea of these candidate surveys, I see the potential of hooking other pols as being stunted.

Hell, national money was spent, why not make a national effort?

Good question.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Have you ever gotten kicked in the balls? Well now ladies, and for those fortunate guys, or should I say less fortunate now. You now have the undue privilege of knowing what it feels like to take a 12 inch steel toed boot right in the balls. Feels good, don't it?

CFL couldn't even last barely one year! Politics is a death sentence. This is why my money goes to candidates themselves who I have a good idea won't betray me the minute they get in office, and most importantly my money goes to the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

While I have memberships with GOA, Oathkeepers (kind of waning on this -- Many only follow what they want (Some of these guys are huge war hawks)), and other liberty affiliated groups, I'm starting to become so disheartened with the utter lack of principles shown in some of the "bigger" organizations in this movement. Seriously, I feel like the only place that I fit in, and where principles actually matter is in the local grassroots, and within the LvMI (Throw in GOA too). That's about it. Sad, dont'cha think?

 

[LittleLightShining]

Trying a different tack here. I just called national and asked how I get a survey for Len Britton who is pretty much on board with all the C4L principles. I was directed to Eric Stall who is handling the survey project. I left him a voice mail. Let's see what happens.

 

[Eric21ND]

When all else fails...

 

[erowe1]

I just called CFL and the lady who answered the phone transferred me to someone named Andrew (I assume Andrew Ward). He said that he wasn't at liberty to answer my questions because John Tate was going to release a statement about it that I'd be sure to see either today or tomorrow. He also said they were receiving numerous inquiries about it.

 

[Chieftain1776]

This is not the least likely scenario. Based on what I know about Rothfeld this is the most plausible scenario. Also, #3 is extremely relevant here.

In the "Is the C4L being infiltrated?" thread I mentioned some things that are REALLY relevant.



This is why I haven't made a big deal about it here. Len and I had a very long talk about foreign policy and he is right on target with what we believe. I can't go into it much further here yet but I have been asked to help with certain aspects of his campaign

I didn't see that thread. Here is the "Is the C4L being infiltrated" thread for those that haven't see it.

I have a difference in that I don't mind it being used to influence the GOP as much as you do. That said supporting a candidate is beyond simply trying to bring the GOP to our direction and is more like the C4L going the direction of the current GOP. I wouldn't even mind if they decided to run ads against candidates (Lindsey Graham comes to mind). But this is a bridge to far for me. We need to find out the political backgrounds of the C4L leadership.

Regardless ANY ad should be ANNOUNCED on the C4L website or emailed to members. The fact that they aren't is shady on its face.

 

[constituent]

I just called CFL and the lady who answered the phone transferred me to someone named Andrew (I assume Andrew Ward). He said that he wasn't at liberty to answer my questions because John Tate was going to release a statement about it that I'd be sure to see either today or tomorrow. He also said they were receiving numerous inquiries about it.

Allow me to paraphrase.

Ahem... Let them eat cake.

Please donate, for liberty.

(i'm kidding, of course.)

 

[carbonpenguin]

It's unrealistic, but to put it bluntly. In the modern age, there really is no way to successfully regain our Republic completely as you'll have this "asshattery" regardless. I wish there was someway the United States could be peacefully divided into 50 or so independent nations. One of these would be much easier to manage and create a true Constitutional Republic. Right now it's just..overwhelming sometimes. Sorry, just giving my view.

We're working on that in Vermont... http://www.governorsteele.com

YouTube - Dennis Steele on Vermont Independence

Perhaps the C4L membership should consider a similar platform of secession and refederation. It always struck me as strange that an organization advocating federalism would be so centralized and top-down...

 

[Baptist]

Have you ever gotten kicked in the balls? Well now ladies, and for those fortunate guys, or should I say less fortunate now. You now have the undue privilege of knowing what it feels like to take a 12 inch steel toed boot right in the balls. Feels good, don't it?

CFL couldn't even last barely one year! Politics is a death sentence. This is why my money goes to candidates themselves who I have a good idea won't betray me the minute they get in office, and most importantly my money goes to the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

While I have memberships with GOA, Oathkeepers (kind of waning on this -- Many only follow what they want (Some of these guys are huge war hawks)), and other liberty affiliated groups, I'm starting to become so disheartened with the utter lack of principles shown in some of the "bigger" organizations in this movement. Seriously, I feel like the only place that I fit in, and where principles actually matter is in the local grassroots, and within the LvMI (Throw in GOA too). That's about it. Sad, dont'cha think?

Over the last few weeks Rand Paul, Peter Schiff and Ron Paul have disappointed me. Then you had Alex Jones screwing over those folks in Texas. Now you have CFL pulling this crap. I'm wondering why I even waste my time with any of this crap anymore. I'm seriously contemplating ending my political activism and moving down to my favorite preacher so that I can just study the Bible under him.

Politicians have never been the answer. Organizations have never been the answer. The world always has and always will suck. Think it's time for me to quit wasting my time trying to save this hell hole of a country.

 

[Mini-Me]

My guess is that C4L is starting a survey campaign that was allotted $350,000 for that project. They created a survey, got a few back and made a quick ad for one of the early survey respondents with a message to others to respond.

At least that's what I hope.

The original article is written by a liberal news writer and the YouTube video is from a liberal who has another video of a top Dem who recently sent out a memo on "How to split the GOP".

I won't pass judgement until the details are revealed from a non-Democrat source.

I really hope you're right. Accountability and transparency are needed in any case, but it would at least be a great relief to hear that only, say, a grand was spent on this one guy, and the rest is still invested into an ongoing survey program they're just getting kick-started. Even in this case though, some heads still need to roll for CFL's horrendous communication and complete lack of interest in checking with the grassroots before committing so much damn money to ANYTHING. Like angelatc said, their entire attitude is arrogant beyond belief. It reminds me of Dianne Feinstein's insolence when she supported the bailout despite her constituents' wishes, since her constituents were just too stupid to know what was good for them. (I think I'm thinking of Feinstein...but maybe I'm thinking Boxer. Hell if I know. They're all cookie cutter clones anyway.)

All that said, even that's a best case scenario, and I'm not optimistic. I fear we're going to hear LibertyMage's weak answer all over again from Tate.

 

[FreedomRings]

What if there's a secret strategy behind this ad buy that we don't understand because we don't have all the facts, and C4L can't reveal them for now because a) doing so would make the strategy pointless, and b) some of us wouldn't agree with the strategy, even if it has a good chance of working?

If C4L's plan is to take over the GOP (rather than educating the grassroots and the masses) then they will have to make some tough strategic decisions that will be unpopular with many of us. I guess we all have to ask ourselves, which issues are non-negotiable and which ones are we willing to compromise on?

Should we really second-guess every strategic decision they make, as long as they make perfectly clear what principles they stand for and what their political goals are?

 

[jabf2006]

What if there's a secret strategy behind this ad buy that we don't understand because we don't have all the facts, and C4L can't reveal them for now because a) doing so would make the strategy pointless, and b) some of us wouldn't agree with the strategy, even if it has a good chance of working?

If C4L's plan is to take over the GOP (rather than educating the grassroots and the masses) then they will have to make some tough strategic decisions that will be unpopular with many of us. I guess we all have to ask ourselves, which issues are non-negotiable and which ones are we willing to compromise on?

Should we really second-guess every strategic decision they make, as long as they make perfectly clear what principles they stand for and what their political goals are?

Every decision? No. A $350,000 decision? Yes.

 

[Mini-Me]

What if there's a secret strategy behind this ad buy that we don't understand because we don't have all the facts, and C4L can't reveal them for now because a) doing so would make the strategy pointless, and b) some of us wouldn't agree with the strategy, even if it has a good chance of working?

If C4L's plan is to take over the GOP (rather than educating the grassroots and the masses) then they will have to make some tough strategic decisions that will be unpopular with many of us. I guess we all have to ask ourselves, which issues are non-negotiable and which ones are we willing to compromise on?

Should we really second-guess every strategic decision they make, as long as they make perfectly clear what principles they stand for and what their political goals are?

CFL wasn't supposed to be run by a secret oligarchy working in strategic opaqueness.