Breaking: Paris shootings and explosions near Stade de France kill 129

[tod evans]

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[luctor-et-emergo]

Guns are not scary to sane people.

Knives are not scary to sane people.

Armed government agents are scary to sane people.

That's pretty well visible here, if a citizen would carry a gun everybody would hit the deck. Yet, 50.000 police officers carry guns all-day-every-day. Somehow people don't question things as soon as uniforms are involved.

Certainly, inside that theater, if people were killed one by one.. An armed citizen could have stopped further bloodshed before the SWAT team reached them. There's no arguing against that although I bet our liberal friends would try.

Also, if they had a heightened security level because of a terrorist threat (in general), how come there's no armed guard anywhere near a large public venue ?

 

[Occam's Banana]

Then you can expect more gun crime rates to rise up.

No. More gun crime is what you get when people like you try to make it impossible for other people to defend themselves against armed criminals (who don't give a shit about your precious gun laws in any case).

And more stories of children using guns, killing their friends over useless things.

LOL. I see. So you couldn't follow through with any kind of rebuttal to my assertion that the so-called "mentally ill" should not be prohibited from having guns.

Instead, you just try to move the goal posts along to the next utterly predictable canard ("it's for the children!") ...

 

[Jan2017]

Paris attacks: Isis militant said to be Syrian who passed through Greece on refugee route

Three of eight Paris attackers were from Brussels, police believe

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...acks-attackers-dead-mass-killing-live-updates

 

[navy-vet]

Guns are not scary to sane people.

Knives are not scary to sane people.

Armed government agents are scary to sane people.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to tod evans again.

 

[navy-vet]

What's this "we" stuff?

He's got a rat in his pocket.

 

[AngryCanadian]

He's got a rat in his pocket.

Another insult how lovely. So much for common sense.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Terrorism is a criminal act, not an act of war, unless perpetrated by a nation state. ISIS/AQ/etc are not nation states. Don't fall for the perception change of what constitutes an act of war! Terrorism is a criminal act, not a war act and therefore triggers no NATO agreements.

Good point. And this is an opportunity for Rand.

While it might not be recognized by the United States or the United Nations, ISIS has declared themselves a Caliphate (nation) and they do have territory and they have a location.

We will see what happens next (other than calls to take out Assad, and step up aggression against Iran and Russia.)

The opportunity here is to demand a declaration of war for any actions taken, if expansion can not be avoided. This would be in line with a Constitutional conservative position in the Congress.

This Declaration should contain the following:

- Repeal of all past AUMFs.
- A strict definition of the territory (nation) of ISIS (ie. action only in ISIS territory in the former Iraq and Syria).
- Explicitly state that this does not authorize use of force against any other sovereign nation. No bombing in any other nation.
- Explicitly state the goal. Ie. elimination of ISIS as a nation with territory. This is not an ongoing war against territory-less organizations, ISIS or otherwise.
- Explicitly state that this will only be carried out in support of allies in NATO, and in no way will be pursued as a unilateral effort or even primarily funded by the US.
- Explicitly give timetables, and expiration of this Declaration/AUMF.
- Explicitly state that nothing in this AUMF overrides the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
- Explicitly state that nothing in this AUMF grants the Executive Branch any additional power and authority, other than to carry out the mission outlined in the Declaration.
- Explicitly state that any action deemed necessary outside of this Declaration requires an amendment to this Declaration.
- Explicitly state that this will not be a nation-building exercise. This is an authorization for war, not foreign aid.
- Explicitly state strict budget and spending controls on this actions carried out under this Declaration.


And that's just a start of the restrictions for any new Declaration of War, made necessary by the abuse of the previous AUMF by the Executive Branch.

 

[navy-vet]

Good point. And this is an opportunity for Rand.



We will see what happens next (other than calls to take out Assad, and step up aggression against Iran and Russia.)

The opportunity here is to demand a declaration of war for any actions taken, if expansion can not be avoided. This would be in line with a Constitutional conservative position in the Congress.

This Declaration should contain the following:

- Repeal of all past AUMFs.
- A strict definition of the territory (nation) of ISIS (ie. action only in ISIS territory in the former Iraq and Syria).
- Explicitly state that this does not authorize use of force against any other sovereign nation. No bombing in any other nation.
- Explicitly state the goal. Ie. elimination of ISIS as a nation with territory. This is not an ongoing war against territory-less organizations, ISIS or otherwise.
- Explicitly state that this will only be carried out in support of allies in NATO, and in no way will be pursued as a unilateral effort or even primarily funded by the US.
- Explicitly give timetables, and expiration of this Declaration/AUMF.
- Explicitly state that nothing in this AUMF overrides the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
- Explicitly state that nothing in this AUMF grants the Executive Branch any additional power and authority, other than to carry out the mission outlined in the Declaration.
- Explicitly state that any action deemed necessary outside of this Declaration requires an amendment to this Declaration.
- Explicitly state that this will not be a nation-building exercise. This is an authorization for war, not foreign aid.
- Explicitly state strict budget and spending controls on this actions carried out under this Declaration.


And that's just a start of the restrictions for any new Declaration of War, made necessary by the abuse of the previous AUMF by the Executive Branch.

And WTF has Assad got to do with it?
You, and several others are pushing that agenda to the point where it's becoming painfully annoying....

 

[navy-vet]

If Rand plays that card, I can almost guarantee you, he will be dead!

 

[Dr.3D]

He's got a rat in his pocket.

That or perhaps be French Canadian.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

And WTF has Assad got to do with it?
You, and several others are pushing that agenda to the point where it's becoming painfully annoying....

You appear to be confused. I am 100% against making this about Assad. My comments about Assad are criticisms of the calls for taking out Assad by John Kerry, and no doubt those calls will also come from the neoconservatives and other leftist globalists.

 

[jonhowe]

1.There are many with mental health issues so giving everyone a gun is not a smart wise decision its no wonder why so many deaths in America are gun related. Or kids using guns because of their idiotic family.

2. From what i can see the concert hall lacked security. Since the fighters or whoever they were manged to get weapons freely that rises questions and now brings me to your point about Giving everyone a gun. Yeah and how many of those people are mentally fit to bear a weapon?

3.Since America is a Gun Nut Paradise, ISIS fighters or its cult wont have any issues of getting weapons.

Lacked security?? What venue has enough security to hold off 3-4 guys with grenades and machine guns???

 

[wizardwatson]

Lacked security?? What venue has enough security to hold off 3-4 guys with grenades and machine guns???

Well, since you asked.

How about a Mohammed cartoon contest in Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack

 

[navy-vet]

You appear to be confused. I am 100% against making this about Assad. My comments about Assad are criticisms of the calls for taking out Assad by John Kerry, and no doubt those calls will also come from the neoconservatives and other leftist globalists.

You seem to be obsessed with Assad. The neocons have moved on from that focus, sometime ago, and have been focusing against ISIS. Like, bombing runs on ....ISIS, NOT Assad...

 

[navy-vet]

Point being, is that YOU are predicting that it is Assad who will be blamed for this by the French and their allies. Where it's clearly the rebels from where ever who have moved in to take control of Syria.

 

[navy-vet]

But we will see....

 

[jonhowe]

Another insult how lovely. So much for common sense.

It's a saying. "Who's this 'we'? You have a mouse/rat in your pocket?"

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Terrorist cars were registered in Belgium. Looking more like these ISIS fighters came into Europe with the "refugees".

 

[jonhowe]

Well, since you asked.

How about a Mohammed cartoon contest in Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack

So your answer is "venues under increased threat of terrorist attacks". The Bataclan was not such a venue.

So, what small-mid sized venue that is not holding an event specifically designed to anger radical islamists has enough security to hold of 4 guys with machine guns and explosive belts.

Most shows I go to in NYC have zero armed security, just bouncers for drunks.