Blowback already? "US official dies in Libya consulate attack in Benghazi-BBC"

[paulbot24]

Unfortunate that the Ambassador was killed.
this is serious.
can we bomb them again and try to install another puppet leader ?

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_21523678/obama-condemns-attack-that-killed-us-ambassador

LOL. I don't think we can afford more democracy bombs right now since we spent all their gold too. Freeing the hell out of people aint cheap you know.

 

[Kodaddy]

Einstein said the difference between genius and stupidity, is that genius has its limits...

 

[Odin]

Against Libyan interests? Lol. Al-Qaeda took over Libya with the help of the US and NATO. They are doing what is in their interests. What stupid FOOLS.

Seriously, Obama, the United States, and western powers who intervened here have been made to look like fools in the eyes of the world. China and Russia are probably laughing at us. I'm sure most of the idiots in this country won't get it still, they'll probably commend Obama for his reaction, not realizing that he basically caused it. Fucking retarded.

 

[Britannia]

First of all I need to preface my remarks by saying how terribly sorry I am for the people who were killed; a tragic waste of life and my heart goes out to their families.

The thing that saddens me the most is that I think it could all have been avoided.

The question I wanted to ask, as an outsider, is do most Americans realise how America, or the American government at least, is perceived beyond your shores? I think at one time when the cry went up "The Americans are coming!" people sighed with relief, but when the same cry goes up nowadays the first emotion most people are likely to feel is fear rather than relief.

I keep hearing from American politicians, from Republicans in particular, that Iran is a problem that must be dealt with. The amount of sabre-rattling and hawkish rhetoric on this issue is very worrying to me. I just wonder sometimes if Americans realise that they are viewed by many foreigners as meddlers and warmongers, often worse than the people they profess to be protecting us from. Americans seem to want to poke their noses into other countries business, telling them what they can and cannot do, and threatening them with either sanctions or bombs to get what they want.

Far from being American, it seems a very unAmerican way of going about things to me, but I admit my feelings for your country are slightly romanticised.

I just wish America would stop interfering in the affairs of other nations, instead of making you friends it just seems to make enemies out of people who could easily be friends given half a chance. Mind you, my country is no better, we're far to quick to meddle and take military action to get our own way, so I don't reserve all the criticism for America.

I'm sorry to say that Great Britain and America are the architects of their own problems where Iran is concerned, we just can't seem to resist poking our noses in, especially if there's profit involved somewhere along the line. We really need to learn to be friends and trade with other countries but mind our own bloody business.

 

[fr33]

The question I wanted to ask, as an outsider, is do most Americans realise how America, or the American government at least, is perceived beyond your shores?

No. Absolutely not. The majority do not realize it. One must shake off all the statist propaganda that is our government schooling first to realize what is going on. I always ask people, "do you think the average German realized what was going on in the '30s?" Most Americans are stuck in a "Manifest Destiny" mentality. It's "our" god given right to rape, pillage, and exploit the world.

 

[Occam's Banana]

do most Americans realise how America, or the American government at least, is perceived beyond your shores?

Nope. And most of the people here wouldn't care if they *did* know.

After all, we're "exceptional" ...

 

[twomp]

+1 At some point the Islamist need to be held responsible for their actions. US military aggression doesn't absolve the mob of any responsibility, especially when the US interference benefited them.

This isn't blowback either, blowback is a defensive response to an act of aggression against you or perceived act of agresion to be against you.

"Blowback is the espionage term for unintended consequences of a covert operation that are suffered by the civil population of the aggressor government. To the civilians suffering the blowback of covert operations, the effect typically manifests itself as “random” acts of political violence without a discernible, direct cause; because the public—in whose name the intelligence agency acted—are ignorant of the effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them."

This event sounds like a perfect example of blowback for our intervention in Libya. If Gadafi were around, this would have never happened. We intervened and this is out blowback for doing it.

 

[JohnM]

I do not know the exact motivations of the individuals who planned and carried out this attack - and I don't imagine anyone in the west does. But I don't think that this is simply about the Sam Bacile film. That may be a small contributory factor, but I don't think it is particularly significant.

What I do know is that the basic motivating factor is anti-Americanism. Anti-Americanism is endemic in the Middle East. It has not always been that way, but it has been for at least 45 years. It is deeply ingrained. And it is not going to go away quickly. It is a consequence of American foreign policy.

Many years ago, I lived in the Middle East, and I still recall an incident that took place round about 1969 or 1970. An American boy, aged 9 or 10, lying on the ground, surrounded by 5 or 6 angry Arab boys. They were yelling at him about American policy in the Middle East. They didn't actually hurt him, but it was not a pleasant moment.

But here is the really interesting bit.









The Arab boys were not Muslims. They were Greek Orthodox.


In other words, this is not basically about Islam at all.

And of this, I have no doubt: what happened in Benghazi was a consequence of American government action. Call it blowback if you want. Not for one particular thing, but for decades of American interventionism in the Middle East.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I think besides hating Americans for occupying their lands... they hate Americans for not doing something about their government.

Right now, we are mad cause we are being shafted by the 2 party system. I'd imagine our "enemies" being mad as well. Heck, from their perspective.. US citizens are as guilty as the US government for not stopping the evil.

 

[JohnM]

Mr Obama confirmed that a 50-strong US marine antiterrorist security team had been dispatched to Libya to bolster security and aid efforts to find those responsible. “Make no mistake. Justice will be done,” he said.

The Quilliam Foundation, an anti-extremist think tank in London, speculated in a statement that the attacks could have been linked by a promise this week by Ayman al-Zawahiri to avenge the death of his deputy, Abu Yahya al-Libi, who was killed in a drone strike in June.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...obe-whether-Benghazi-assault-was-planned.html

Hold on a minute.

Ayman al-Zawahiri's death was an extrajudicial killing. An assassination. A form of murder. It was authorised by the POTUS.

And now he is talking about justice being done to a bunch of Libyans who did pretty much exactly what he did????

Have I got that right?

 

[mickey mouse joy division]

The sad thing is the narrative is that Obama isn't aggressive enough. Now we're seeing the second 21st century uprising of the Republican Neocons. Will this country ever learn? I'd seriously rather see Obama as my President than Romney if that's the tact the Republicans are going to take. Call me crazy, but I can't see myself enjoying my time on this planet if these guys take over again. I came to Ron Paul because of his foreign policy; I didn't come to the Republicans because of theirs.

 

[thequietkid10]

Would our murdering Qaddafi by using multiple and opposing "rebel factions" (and US/NATO troops), scrapping their proposed gold currency and "gold for oil" plan he had just proposed to the UN as a way of giving the African Union some much needed legitimacy, so the US could set up a central banking plan that we control, after looting them of the gold they were going to not only back the currency but the gold currency itself and then just leaving their country in shambles to be haggled over by warring terrorist organizations the MSM would call the "Freedom Loving Liberating Libyans" be considered an act of aggression against their sovereignty?

Yes I am aware that is probably the longest run-on sentence you've read in a long time. So what. It's true. Google "gold for oil" sometime and see the list of world leaders who've just whispered the idea.....and what happened to their necks shortly after.

If Quaddafi was an Islamist and the people of Libya know or even care about whatever the hell your talking about, then yes.