Bible mentions NWO why do christains no accept our ideas ?

[Indy Vidual]

Bible mentions NWO...

People who believe this are helping make it come true.
Thanks, a bunch...

 

[Dave Pedersen]

What I'd like to know is... why does the "Anti-Christ" even bother taking over when it is set in stone that "Jesus" will jump down and kick his butt?

(seriously, I'd like to know)

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check out

www.shepherdschapel.com

for quite an education you won't get anywhere else about biblical prophecy. anti-christ is a role Satan himself plays. He will pretend to be Christ and by deception will win over many hearts. By deceiving people into worshiping him people trade away their salvation for a false husband. It is viewed as harlotry or marital unfaithfulness to do this. This is the danger posed by the flood of lies which will be spewed out of the dragon's mouth. False religion the likes of which the world is not prepared for. But then there will be the two witnesses to lead the way back to truth which is the reality of Christ.

Why does Satan bother trying to deceive people and thus destroy their relationship with their Maker? He is so proud he thinks he can win and by tearing people away from God in a sense he does destroy their souls. Consumed by hate this is what drives him to do all he can to wreck God's kingdom. But there is a time when Satan will be destroyed, once he no longer serves any useful purpose.

Our Father is in complete control, even of Satan and his fallen angels. God is using them to demonstrate once for all time who is in authority. Once those who follow Satan are identified and given every opportunity to turn back to God, if they refuse to love and honor God they will be destroyed. This is the second death, the death of the soul. Then those who have learned to be true and trustworthy will inherit life eternal and we will no longer suffer the torment of fools.

 

[wildflower]

BTW for the record Mormons are Christian,

Mormonism is not Christianity. They have some beliefs that completely go against the foundational tenets of Christianity. That is not to say that there may be some individual mormons who are christians, but that's another story.

I stopped reading your post after that, since you are so clearly wrong on something so basic.

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

check out

www.shepherdschapel.com

for quite an education you won't get anywhere else about biblical prophecy. anti-christ is a role Satan himself plays. He will pretend to be Christ and by deception will win over many hearts. By deceiving people into worshiping him people trade away their salvation for a false husband. It is viewed as harlotry or marital unfaithfulness to do this. This is the danger posed by the flood of lies which will be spewed out of the dragon's mouth. False religion the likes of which the world is not prepared for. But then there will be the two witnesses to lead the way back to truth which is the reality of Christ.

Why does Satan bother trying to deceive people and thus destroy their relationship with their Maker? He is so proud he thinks he can win and by tearing people away from God in a sense he does destroy their souls. Consumed by hate this is what drives him to do all he can to wreck God's kingdom. But there is a time when Satan will be destroyed, once he no longer serves any useful purpose.

Our Father is in complete control, even of Satan and his fallen angels. God is using them to demonstrate once for all time who is in authority. Once those who follow Satan are identified and given every opportunity to turn back to God, if they refuse to love and honor God they will be destroyed. This is the second death, the death of the soul. Then those who have learned to be true and trustworthy will inherit life eternal and we will no longer suffer the torment of fools.

So, the Devil/Anti-Christ does not recognize the Bible then I take it?

I'll be honest with you. The whole "if you dont believe in me , I will destroy you or send you to hell for all eternity" kind of makes me not like God . He/it doesnt sound like someone who is worthy of worship or even a mere "thank you" tbh. He/it sounds like an insecure, nasty 'person'

I mean, the IRS seems like a bunch of fluffy little puppies that I want to hug and take care of, compared to God

Can you atleast see where I am coming from?
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[Dave Pedersen]

So, the Devil/Anti-Christ does not recognize the Bible then I take it?

I'll be honest with you. The whole "if you dont believe in me , I will destroy you or send you to hell for all eternity" kind of makes me not like God . He/it doesnt sound like someone who is worthy of worship or even a mere "thank you" tbh. He/it sounds like an insecure, nasty 'person'

I mean, the IRS seems like a bunch of fluffy little puppies that I want to hug and take care of, compared to God

Can you atleast see where I am coming from?
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Yes I can understand but look at it this way. You are a parent with 12 kids and you love them all. One of them goes bad. Real bad and tells your other kids you are a real monster. Not only that the real bad one shows your other kids how to do all sorts of temporarily satisfying and very dangerous things. You try to reason with your bad apple but he refuses to listen to you and hates your guts, as a matter of fact he is even convincing your other children to hate you just as bad as he does and all your kids are getting molested by this turkey and are going to die young and penniless if you don't do something.

I hope you can get a general grasp of what the situation is, no analogy is a perfect translation of reality.

Our Father in heaven loves all his children but some have rebelled and threaten the very lives of those who are not old enough to understand the consequences of turning their back on the Author of life who fully sustains us all every moment we exist.

Our Father deserves to be honored and loved and hate is a disease which threatens all with perpetual chaotic influence if nothing is done. There must be an end to it. All have the freedom to decide for themselves if they love life as it is in the eternity or if they instead love destruction, destroying and hurting at every opportunity. There is no middle ground ultimately. So then we all must choose either love or hate.

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

Yes I can understand but look at it this way. You are a parent with 12 kids and you love them all. One of them goes bad. Real bad and tells your other kids you are a real monster. Not only that the real bad one shows your other kids how to do all sorts of temporarily satisfying and very dangerous things. You try to reason with your bad apple but he refuses to listen to you and hates your guts, as a matter of fact he is even convincing your other children to hate you just as bad as he does and all your kids are getting molested by this turkey and are going to die young and penniless if you don't do something.

I hope you can get a general grasp of what the situation is, no analogy is a perfect translation of reality.

Our Father in heaven loves all his children but some have rebelled and threaten the very lives of those who are not old enough to understand the consequences of turning their back on the Author of life who fully sustains us all every moment we exist.

Our Father deserves to be honored and loved and hate is a disease which threatens all with perpetual chaotic influence if nothing is done. There must be an end to it. All have the freedom to decide for themselves if they love life as it is in the eternity or if they instead love destruction, destroying and hurting at every opportunity. There is no middle ground ultimately. So then we all must choose either love or hate.

I can understand your analogy , however...

I dont go around trying to turn others against God. I dont go around trying to get other people to do dangerous things. I dont molest other people. I dont murder other people. I'm quite respectful of everyones religions and beliefs***. I don't hate God. I believe there is some kind of God or creator but I am not part of any religion. I dont worship or pray to a God. I actually believe that its probable that Jesus existed - Im quite open minded . I just dont think I believe in the Bible.

So this means I am going to be destroyed or be sent to hell forever right? I think that is a little harsh LOL .

I once had a conversation with a vicar and he said that someone who all his life murdered people , molested and tortured children etc but suddenly belived in God on his deathbed would get into heaven yet someone who lived their lives helping others ,living as a saint really, didn't particularly believe the bible would go straight to hell for eternity . When he said that i couldn't believe it. He basically told me that Heaven could very well have millions of child molester's and murders floating around (or whatever you do in heaven )and hell could have millions of really nice people in there being tortured etc . Kind of made me sad and not like God too much .


*** I wouldnt normally be part of this discussion, out of respect for other people's beliefs , but I am sincerely interested in this aspect of God and religion. Im not trying to undermine your religion.

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[moostraks]

Mormonism is not Christianity. They have some beliefs that completely go against the foundational tenets of Christianity. That is not to say that there may be some individual mormons who are christians, but that's another story.

I stopped reading your post after that, since you are so clearly wrong on something so basic.

Mormons are Christian...Their beliefs fall under the umbrella category of Christianity as opposed to Judaism, Wicca, Atheism, et all....Now they hold to tenants and beliefs I could not palate, and hold to a text I was not interested in following. This is where my interest stopped. There is no need for you to be so hateful and to try to belittle those of the Mormon faith, quite apparently this thread seems to have brought out the best in everyone.

I am sure the pamphelet against Mormons will be the next thing to get posted here....

 

[moostraks]

People who believe this are helping make it come true.
Thanks, a bunch...

I made this comment to my children the other day. It is the chicken and the egg. Does it come true because it was going to or because some are forcing the issues?? If I went to a fortune teller and they "saw" something then I might affect my future by not doing certain things until the conditions were accurate for the vion I was told about thus a self-fulfilling prophesy...What ever the case we do seem headed towards a bad road ahead....

 

[moostraks]

I wasn't telling anyone to be quiet. I was simply pointing out that using bible quotes is meaningless and a waste of time when communicating with non-Christians.

As for Mormonism, it's as much of a scam as the rest of the manmade religions.



So someone was psychic and saw the future. Do you worship Nostradamus too?

Lol!!! No I don't worship Nostrodamus...I can't discuss why someone believes Christianity without using some text to back it up. If some one does not like it they can ignore it, it really is not directed to them. Live and let live, you know??? Seems in real poor taste to be disrespecting peoples religion if your goal is to get the good doctor elected. Save it for the anti-whatever forums and spread the love there..

 

[Redcard]

Why don't they believe in the NWO?

Dude, they DO. The whacko christian religion has become a death cult, where people WANT the end times, they WANT Jesus to come, they believe a rapture (even though there is NO biblical proof at all for a rapture) because of Left Behind, and they WANT the NWO.

They see fighting it as an inevitable failure, and they want their Jesus to make them fly up to heaven NOW.

So let's belay this bickering about mormonism or not. The fact is, they want a christian president who will guide them into the coming of Jesus, the Cataclysm , and the 1000 years of peace.

 

[moostraks]

Or, when they said "mark" they meant in the "cattle burn marks" sense and in reality knew nothing about RFID chips etc. I assume they marked cattle back then. Also everyone on the planet being enslaved by the Anti-Christ hardly constitutes a one world government (is the term "one world government" included in the bible/s?)

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Well at least someone who makes a legitimate stab at it...Could be an interesting possibilty but his visions were progressive and you need to have the lesions which very accurately describes the cancer growth from the verichip. Unless you take the entirety you could explain the individual prophesy but the progressiveness also has to be accounted for. Some believe/d that it was the holocaust numbering...

Point is, we are on the same view point of getting a particular person elected. No one is helping the matter by being rude and deragatory towards other VOTERS. I merely pointed out why the Bible is believed by CHRISTIANS and have been harassed by every arrogant atheist with an ax to grind. I said to each his own. I was on the outside of Christianity once and would never have been so rude and dismissive as some here are about anyones beliefs. A persons beliefs are their value system, and now this thread has denigrated to where we are going to decide who falls under which umbrella category of philosophy. Good grief....

 

[moostraks]

Why don't they believe in the NWO?

Dude, they DO. The whacko christian religion has become a death cult, where people WANT the end times, they WANT Jesus to come, they believe a rapture (even though there is NO biblical proof at all for a rapture) because of Left Behind, and they WANT the NWO.

They see fighting it as an inevitable failure, and they want their Jesus to make them fly up to heaven NOW.

So let's belay this bickering about mormonism or not. The fact is, they want a christian president who will guide them into the coming of Jesus, the Cataclysm , and the 1000 years of peace.

Nice...way to alienate Christians...We all do not have the same views...You are trying to reach the wrong churchs.AHHH!!!! The peace churchs are the ones you want. Quaker, Mennonite, Brethren,progressive Amish,etc...Or leave them alone, sit on this board and bash Christians and see how many want to join when they Google Ron Paul and read this forum....

 

[Redcard]

Nice...way to alienate Christians...We all do not have the same views...You are trying to reach the wrong churchs.AHHH!!!! The peace churchs are the ones you want. Quaker, Mennonite, Brethren,progressive Amish,etc...Or leave them alone, sit on this board and bash Christians and see how many want to join when they Google Ron Paul and read this forum....

Oh, there are plenty of peace churches, but do you think those are the ones that showed up in 2004 to elect Bush and vote against the homos? Do you think those are the ones that support war against the "towel-heads?" Do you think those people are the ones that VOTE? More importantly, do you think those are the ones that vote for McCain?

Look, the "peaceful" churches, (of which I'm actually a member), tend to vote democractic, because a welfare state is more in line with Jesus' teachings than the "Rich shall inherit the earth and bomb the rest" that the republican party has become. They likely don't want anything to do with anything Republican for a while, Ron Paul included.

 

[moostraks]

Oh, there are plenty of peace churches, but do you think those are the ones that showed up in 2004 to elect Bush and vote against the homos? Do you think those are the ones that support war against the "towel-heads?" Do you think those people are the ones that VOTE? More importantly, do you think those are the ones that vote for McCain?

Look, the "peaceful" churches, (of which I'm actually a member), tend to vote democractic, because a welfare state is more in line with Jesus' teachings than the "Rich shall inherit the earth and bomb the rest" that the republican party has become. They likely don't want anything to do with anything Republican for a while, Ron Paul included.

Funny...the ones I am involved with won't have anything to do with politics, much less taking money from the government. The don't even want social security back because it includes unearned government money....This is why I posted this previously as a long shot but the churches they are seeming to want to gear towards are even worse....The McChurch crowd wants war, Your church is Democrat, and my associations won't vote...And the problem is???? Seems like what I said before you have to find the right churchs, and the reward will be small. Starting in the peace churchs would be better than the war mongering ones.

So what worked for you or are you a partyline voter?? The point is to get the views out there that his ideas are unique. Seems like your frustration factor is up with the church you associate with...

 

[Redcard]

So what worked for you or are you a partyline voter?? The point is to get the views out there that his ideas are unique. Seems like your frustration factor is up with the church you associate with...

No, actually, I love my church. Like I said, they vote democrat and are perfectly educated on why they vote that. It's not precisely a christian church, though. As for your church not voting.. yeah.. I can understand that mentality.

The point I'm trying to make is that the average church that believes in the NWO and end times and all that are caught in a scenario where they WANT it to happen. At least the ones that vote.

I don't believe in the NWO, or the end times, or anything of that nature, so I don't have a dog in the hunt.. but the original poster says that the Bible talks about the NWO.. and acts like this should translate into acceptance of our ideas.. but the reality is that if we stave off the NWO , then we have proven their biblical end times FALSE.

They want the end times. They want the "Rapture"

 

[Kade]

The bible talks about the NWO.
During The Tribulation, Antichrist is going to rise to power, and there will be a one-world government, of which he will be the dictator. And in the middle of that Tribulation period, he is going to require everyone on the Earth, according to Revelation 13 to receive a mark on their right hand or forehead which will mean they acknowledge him, not only as their dictator, but as their god. Without that mark they will not be allowed to buy or sell anything for the remainder of the Tribulation period. And then, at the every end of that time, his world empire which he has built will began to crumble, and he is going to fight, literally, against Jesus Christ. He is going to call Christ down out of heaven. Jesus will come back at The Battle of Armageddon, and with His Word, is going to totally obliterate all of the forces of Antichrist and the Devil. We read about that in Revelation 19. Today we are studying Revelation 17. Chapters 17 and 18 go together to portray the destruction of the world empire of Antichrist. This is not the next thing on God's time table, but it is something we need to understand: that before this chapter can take place, a one-world government must emerge. We find here a beast, symbolizing one-world government, and we also find a woman riding on the beast who symbolizes religion that is not pleasing to God.

Why are we considered nuts when we mention that we are moving towards this. Should Paul point this out? Whether you believe in the bible or not someone understand human nature.

Batshit.

 

[tommy7154]

I try not to get upset at these religious posts and I try to keep my mouth shut but please try and understand how hard it can be for an atheist.

For example, say I made a post about a purple sky fairy that predicted a bunch of stuff and it talked to me. You would all think I was batshit crazy, correct? Or am I wrong? Why would I be considered a lunatic for praying and talking to this fairy and preaching it's word when other religions are so acceptable? Simply because there are more of you that believe in the Christian God YOU are right and I am insane?

Somebody explain this to me please....logically, if possible.

I really don't mean to be an ass, it just baffles me.

 

[Kade]

Why is it a view when its a fact that the bible's stories are pulled from other stories, I was just giving an example with the Noah story.

Tell me, do you believe that the christian god is omnipetent? If so then why did it take him seven days to create the earth and everything else? Why couldnt he do it in a second if he is all powerful? To be limited on what you can do in a day assumes that one is limited in his/hers powers hence not omnipetent. This being may be some higher form of life but by the statements just made in the first section of the bible, this proves that this being is not god. Also if this being is a god, then why is he affected by linear time, a concept that is not a constant and is affected by one's relative speed? The bible is full of so many fallacies, to believe it is real is just ludicrous.

BTW I find this poster so accurate.

Charles Gathers,

You are an American Hero. Seriously. Have you gotten in touch with Dustin Chalker or Jeremy Hall? They could probably use your help. http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,149846,00.html?wh=wh

 

[Redcard]

Like I said earlier, Kade.

Christianity is a death cult.

Its leader died.

It offers no benefit for the living, but promises everything to the dead.

Its followers want the end of the world because they then get the reign of Jesus.

 

[tommy7154]

Like I said earlier, Kade.

Christianity is a death cult.

Its leader died.

It offers no benefit for the living, but promises everything to the dead.

Its followers want the end of the world because they then get the reign of Jesus.

That's just as much nonsense as religion itself...

There are benefits to the living. If there was NO benefit it wouldn't be. I don't pretend to know what the benefits are but one just for example would be hope or faith. When you think and feel those positive things there are real physical benefits to it.

I just don't understand why people don't educate themselves and seem so unconcerned with facts and truth. There are other ways of being positive and having those feelings than just believing in some god because that's what you were taught to do.

Religion seems to thrive on ignorance and brainwashing. What if nobody ever told you Santa Clause wasn't real? Knowing there's no such thing, you find it ridiculous. You probably didn't when you were young ignorant and brainwashed though...

Churches, The bible, everyone reinforcing your beliefs... It's just like the MSM imo