Bible mentions NWO why do christains no accept our ideas ?

[therealjjj77]

Interestingly enough, there are some in my church who have almost instinctively understood what Huckabee is all about and cannot bring themselves to vote for him. It's just getting them to see that any of the other candidates, beside Ron Paul, are all going to move that direction too. It's not like their TV has a sign that says: "Look! Look! A globalist/NWO guy!" It's one of the least discussed subjects on Fox, if it ever is discussed.

 

[moostraks]

I havent heard of that. Is there any documentation? Im not saying that you are not telling the truth i just havent heard of it.

What about the others problems minitri has problems with? These are also questions i have with bible along with others. I am an atheist but am open to learn. I honestly cant get out of the first book before i start calling shenanigans on the bible.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

Try the pictures here. Looks fair enough...I think the History Channel did something on this, but most of their works on the Bible are sketchy at best. They don't know research if it came up and bit them.

Everyone is entitled to reason to make a freewill choice. I have found as many do, it takes more faith in illogical reasoning to be an atheist imho. I have been all over the road map spiritually and analyzed a lot of views.

 

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I have met some Christians through the years that wish the NWO would hurry up and take over and get it over with so Jesus will come back sooner and save us all. Consequently they stand by doing nothing, and place their faith in some words written by men.

I was a born again Christian for awhile in the mid 90's before I started to see the bigger picture, so I know full well how alluring and powerful that trap can be. There's not much you can do for them except pick up their slack in this battle.

On a side note, for you Christians out there who try to prove your points with bible passages, you just look silly to everyone else. You can't convince them of absolutely anything with excerpts from something that is considered by them to be a fraud. You may as well be quoting passages from a book of fairy tales. In the eyes of everyone else, they carry about the same weight.

 

[therealjjj77]

um....ok, lets see
Noahs Ark
Water into wine
parting the red sea
oh, yeah, and dieing on the cross and then magically rising to heaven.

Thats why I have problem with what the bible says.[/QUOTE

An interesting fact is there have been chariot wheels found at the sight that are from the time period of the parting of the Red Sea.

With the understanding that God created it and he can change things as he pleases, those things happening don't seem that odd.

I used to be an athiest, but when God deals with you and shows you your destination, it's hard to go on pretending he doesn't exist. That's why I turned to him instead of continuing to try to ignore him.

Keep in mind that the writers of the 4 gospels all received heavy persecution, before, during, and after they wrote those books. Their testimony eventually ended with their death. They didn't get an easy life from reporting what they saw. And their reports were very much accurate to what you would find if you were interviewing 4 witnesses of a car accident. Four different perspectives of the same events.

It's highly improbable that a few untrained guys broke through a guard of 100 centurion soldiers, the best of the best at that time, and stole the body of Christ.

It's highly improbable that they would go on to write the same account of Jesus Christ being seen by many after his death, on several different occasions.

 

[moostraks]

On a side note, for you Christians out there who try to prove your points with bible passages, you just look silly to everyone else. You can't convince them of absolutely anything with excerpts from something that is considered by them to be a fraud. You may as well be quoting passages from a book of fairy tales. In the eyes of everyone else, they carry about the same weight.

Nice snarky little comment. I believe to each his own. If someone is making assumptions and mocking, I will point out what makes obvious sense to us based on what we see as evidence. You are entitled to take it or leave it. Some dismiss the entire Bible because they see unreality because they were not there. I merely brought up something that is uncanny to me, take it or leave it, to each his own. Your comment of shut up or present facts that you see as valid on your plane of reference is limiting and self-serving. Might as well be in Huck's forum as to be here sometimes...BTW you should realize you do not represent everyone else on this board, you are one voice....

 

[Sandy]

I think it's "the Message" version. But don't quote me on that.

Really stay away from that thing. I only trust the KJV, not sure of the Geneva that someone mentioned. The globalists infiltrated and came up with their own Bible versions changing, adding to, and rewording things, which we all know is a no no. New ones keep coming out like 'The Message', the newer the more they turn God's word upside down.

Schofield was one person who was a part of changing things and creating new versions.

 

[Captain Shays]

Please. Any Christians here visit www.christiansforronpaul.com
and join in the forums, provide any new information that is helpful. When Christians who may be wavering between Hckabee and Paul or some other candidate search the net for information they may get there some how and we can comvince them. We can also direct our brothers and sisters to the site.

Its really up to us to re-educate those who have been used, hoodwinked and decieved by the policital machine of this country.

 

[paulgirl]

It's important for Christians to remember that the Bible teaches that no one is going to see the truth unless the Lord opens his eyes. You can't force a blind man to see anything.

The person who started this thread is obviously a dispensationalist. Part of the problem among Christians is that there are different eschatological views and different hermeneutical approaches to Revelation.

God has ordained how this world will end and what events will take place before He comes back to judge it. While those who believe MUST oppose evil, we know that certain things ARE going to happen, like it or not. Unfortunately we know that things are going to get very bad for us for a time, and that we are going to go through heavy persecution.

Fortunately, the worst they can take is our lives, not our souls. Unbelievers must worry endlessly about trying to stop things, because their physical posessions and lives are all that they have got.

 

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Nice snarky little comment. I believe to each his own. If someone is making assumptions and mocking, I will point out what makes obvious sense to us based on what we see as evidence. You are entitled to take it or leave it. Some dismiss the entire Bible because they see unreality because they were not there. I merely brought up something that is uncanny to me, take it or leave it, to each his own. Your comment of shut up or present facts that you see as valid on your plane of reference is limiting and self-serving. Might as well be in Huck's forum as to be here sometimes...BTW you should realize you do not represent everyone else on this board, you are one voice....

Think of it in these terms. Could someone possibly convince you that Mormonism is the true path by quoting from the Book of Mormon? Would their arguments carry any weight with you at all?

 

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It's important for Christians to remember that the Bible teaches that no one is going to see the truth unless the Lord opens his eyes. You can't force a blind man to see anything.

The person who started this thread is obviously a dispensationalist. Part of the problem among Christians is that there are different eschatological views and different hermeneutical approaches to Revelation.

God has ordained how this world will end and what events will take place before He comes back to judge it. While those who believe MUST oppose evil, we know that certain things ARE going to happen, like it or not. Unfortunately we know that things are going to get very bad for us for a time, and that we are going to go through heavy persecution.

Fortunately, the worst they can take is our lives, not our souls. Unbelievers must worry endlessly about trying to stop things, because their physical posessions and lives are all that they have got.

As most Christians do, you are equating belief in God with belief in the Christian bible. They are not one and the same.

 

[moostraks]

Think of it in these terms. Could someone possibly convince you that Mormonism is the true path by quoting from the Book of Mormon? Would their arguments carry any weight with you at all?

I would think that I would be open minded enough to know that they have a logic for their reasoning. I am not trying to convince you or anyone else with a closed mind to see anything. I am but refuting the rudeness from an individual who sees fit to mock those who disagree with them from a position of superiority that there is some uncanniness to the revelations of John. You and anyone else may do with it as they see fit.

I certainly do not believe that I would have such poor manners as to tell someone to be quiet on a thread unless they can address me in regards to their religion based on my frame of reference. With your analogy of Mormonism how exactly could you explain the philosophy without using what in the Book of Mormon convinces you it is divine revelation??

BTW for the record Mormons are Christian, and I have done minor research on their beliefs but chose to stick to the NASB Bible. It is the most literal translation of the old text. I am not dismissive of others choices, this is mine and the one I will answer for chosing in the end. Just like everyone is entitled to chose their religion. Religion provides the framework for one's interaction to the world.

Furthermore, I personnally did not stop there but did provide a link to a website that shows some archaelogical history that may indicate the validity of one facet of the Bible. Now if I was a glutton for punishment I could continue to try to validate my position with reams of work done which indicates the truthfulness of the Bible while you could do the same from your side dismissing them because facts of this nature are subject to perception which is always colored by one's spirirtual beliefs.

When someone can give me an absolute legitimate argument on how an old man on a deserted island 2000 years ago could conceive of something that comes as close as we are to the rfid implant along with its reaction through cancerous growth and rejection due to synthetic material usage, I will see their point. I probably won't agree but I will concede they have a reason to their logic. I doubt an odds maker would put odds on coincidence here. How could he have seen something this close?

Perhaps we should get back to the original attempt of this thread and realize why many Christians don't want to join with Dr.Paul...I stand by my statement that the real Christians, who can get past the media spin and hear his message, fall in love with him. He is one of US!!! However, the majority of Christians who could relate to him are not mainstream. It is the ugliness and decadence of today's society that has bred a need for seperation.A non-theist reacts with political apathy.

Many of the Christians you need to target believe just by the very nature of running for office you have a character flaw due to a need for self glorification. You cannot look in the mainstream Christian churches for converts, they are following a different agenda. Most of them have already been duped. They are too busy praying for material goods. As a Christian I am trying to explain to you this is prophesied to Christians. Now as such, Christians(please step out of your comfort zone and hear the reasoning from the only frame of reference I can give you) are held accountible for being discerning.

The purpose of the Bible is like a parent warning their child. It tells you how to make life work. The intent is not for the Book to be used by people to enslave people, but to free them. It warns us what to see as signs we have come too far as a society and need to regroup...FAST! Now you and other non-theists have come to a similar conclusion,possibly, that our society needs a Dr.Paul to right our current situation. Christians just have the benefit of biblical insight as to just how bad things are going to get, imho. Problem is that we are divided in how to deal with this issue as Christians:drop out of society and live the best life possible,believe that the saviour(Huckabee or one like him) has been annointed by God and will fix things, or those who get behind someone like Paul and pray we can reverse some of the damage. I am in the last group. I have an obligation to try my best to correct the current situation. The rest, based on my beliefs, is in G*d's hands.....

 

[werdd]

alot of christians want the end times, they want to be re-united with their god. In that sense, they are everybit as crazy as the muslims strapping bombs and awaiting 99 virgins.

 

[jumpyg1258]

The message of the bible is pure

Are you sure about that? From what I know its just a collection of stories from various regions of the middle east all plomped into one book with some changes here and there to try to make sense of the whole thing.

For Example:
The story of Noah and his ark did not originate from the bible. The first writings of the story actually are in Assyro-Babylonian mythology.

Written in Akkadian (the language of ancient Babylon), it tells how the god Enki warns the hero Atrahasis of Shuruppak to dismantle his house and build a boat to escape a flood with which the god Enlil, angered by the noise of the cities, plans to wipe out mankind. The boat is to have a roof, upper and lower decks, and must be sealed with bitumen. Atrahasis boards the boat with his family and animals and seals the door. Then after seven days the flood ends and Atrahasis offers various sacrifices.

 

[moostraks]

Are you sure about that? From what I know its just a collection of stories from various regions of the middle east all plomped into one book with some changes here and there to try to make sense of the whole thing.

For Example:
The story of Noah and his ark did not originate from the bible. The first writings of the story actually are in Assyro-Babylonian mythology.

Written in Akkadian (the language of ancient Babylon), it tells how the god Enki warns the hero Atrahasis of Shuruppak to dismantle his house and build a boat to escape a flood with which the god Enlil, angered by the noise of the cities, plans to wipe out mankind. The boat is to have a roof, upper and lower decks, and must be sealed with bitumen. Atrahasis boards the boat with his family and animals and seals the door. Then after seven days the flood ends and Atrahasis offers various sacrifices.

Are you sure?? All investigation comes from some presupposition. Why is your view of this being a more accurate situation more valid then those who disagree with you?

What we can agree on may be that very diverse nations have a flood story. So many so that it seems that the flood story is an actual recollection of a catastrophic event. Dismissing its occurence in the first place seems rather difficult considering the overwhelming amount of literature written on it. Therefore, allowing its existence, you chose as an individual the version that aligns with your personal spiritual beliefs....

 

[jumpyg1258]

Are you sure?? All investigation comes from some presupposition. Why is your view of this being a more accurate situation more valid then those who disagree with you?

Why is it a view when its a fact that the bible's stories are pulled from other stories, I was just giving an example with the Noah story.

Tell me, do you believe that the christian god is omnipetent? If so then why did it take him seven days to create the earth and everything else? Why couldnt he do it in a second if he is all powerful? To be limited on what you can do in a day assumes that one is limited in his/hers powers hence not omnipetent. This being may be some higher form of life but by the statements just made in the first section of the bible, this proves that this being is not god. Also if this being is a god, then why is he affected by linear time, a concept that is not a constant and is affected by one's relative speed? The bible is full of so many fallacies, to believe it is real is just ludicrous.

BTW I find this poster so accurate.

 

[moostraks]

Why is it a view when its a fact that the bible's stories are pulled from other stories, I was just giving an example with the Noah story.

Tell me, do you believe that the christian god is omnipetent? If so then why did it take him seven days to create the earth and everything else? Why couldnt he do it in a second if he is all powerful? To be limited on what you can do in a day assumes that one is limited in his/hers powers hence not omnipetent. This being may be some higher form of life but by the statements just made in the first section of the bible, this proves that this being is not god. Also if this being is a god, then why is he affected by linear time, a concept that is not a constant and is affected by one's relative speed? The bible is full of so many fallacies, to believe it is real is just ludicrous.

BTW I find this poster so accurate.

Mine is not to reason why as the why really is irrelevant to me at this current juncture...Yes I do believe he is omnipotent. I believe that the world is an artistic creation, not a soulless evolutionary remnant of space trash. Maybe He just enjoyed the process and savored the moment? Your belief is considered a view unless you were there, just as well as mine is a view. You chose whom you wish to believe as will I. Why should I cater to the views of your history books because you have judged them valid?? Why are atheists/non-theists so derogatory?? Why do you have a self entitled sense of superiority when you are only using a set of perceptions with as much basis in grounded fact as theists do. At least theists usually have some form of historical writing to fall back on as a starting point.

You have started with a presupposition and gone from there. Why do most civilizations have a flood story if the event did not occur?? How did these flood stories become so widespread? Well the logical conclusion imho is it did happen and is not an ancient fallacy. So you say well I believe that this is where the story started, and I say well I disagree with you. I trust my source of the story and you trust yours. Live and let live.

Nice way to knock the Catholics and Orthodox (and a few others)on the board. Beautiful poster, clearly shows what your perceptions are being based upon. If this is your view as to what the Bible teaches then you have only been exposed to a limited amount of the religion before formulating a decision as to how all of us Christians believe. FWIW I do not personnally hold to transubstantiation but you could not be any more vulgar if you tried...Some of the Bible is allegory and much of it is parable or instructive. Might surprise you to know that Christians can actually think for themselves and each has a slightly different view of sacred texts and history. Have yet to have someone give me an answer on why John had the revelation that fits so well to the rfid chip. Just blind dumb luck, ehh???

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

The bible talks about the NWO.
During The Tribulation, Antichrist is going to rise to power, and there will be a one-world government, of which he will be the dictator. And in the middle of that Tribulation period, he is going to require everyone on the Earth, according to Revelation 13 to receive a mark on their right hand or forehead which will mean they acknowledge him, not only as their dictator, but as their god. Without that mark they will not be allowed to buy or sell anything for the remainder of the Tribulation period. And then, at the every end of that time, his world empire which he has built will began to crumble, and he is going to fight, literally, against Jesus Christ. He is going to call Christ down out of heaven. Jesus will come back at The Battle of Armageddon, and with His Word, is going to totally obliterate all of the forces of Antichrist and the Devil. We read about that in Revelation 19. Today we are studying Revelation 17. Chapters 17 and 18 go together to portray the destruction of the world empire of Antichrist. This is not the next thing on God's time table, but it is something we need to understand: that before this chapter can take place, a one-world government must emerge. We find here a beast, symbolizing one-world government, and we also find a woman riding on the beast who symbolizes religion that is not pleasing to God.

Why are we considered nuts when we mention that we are moving towards this. Should Paul point this out? Whether you believe in the bible or not someone understand human nature.

What I'd like to know is... why does the "Anti-Christ" even bother taking over when it is set in stone that "Jesus" will jump down and kick his butt?

(seriously, I'd like to know)


edit: Also I'd like to have this clarified if possible....

Is Jesus God? or is Jesus God's son?

Is the Anti-Christ the Devil ? or are they different?

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I certainly do not believe that I would have such poor manners as to tell someone to be quiet on a thread unless they can address me in regards to their religion based on my frame of reference. With your analogy of Mormonism how exactly could you explain the philosophy without using what in the Book of Mormon convinces you it is divine revelation??

I wasn't telling anyone to be quiet. I was simply pointing out that using bible quotes is meaningless and a waste of time when communicating with non-Christians.

As for Mormonism, it's as much of a scam as the rest of the manmade religions.

When someone can give me an absolute legitimate argument on how an old man on a deserted island 2000 years ago could conceive of something that comes as close as we are to the rfid implant along with its reaction through cancerous growth and rejection due to synthetic material usage, I will see their point. I probably won't agree but I will concede they have a reason to their logic. I doubt an odds maker would put odds on coincidence here. How could he have seen something this close?

So someone was psychic and saw the future. Do you worship Nostradamus too?

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

So someone was psychic and saw the future.

Or, when they said "mark" they meant in the "cattle burn marks" sense and in reality knew nothing about RFID chips etc. I assume they marked cattle back then. Also everyone on the planet being enslaved by the Anti-Christ hardly constitutes a one world government (is the term "one world government" included in the bible/s?)

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What I'd like to know is... why does the "Anti-Christ" even bother taking over when it is set in stone that "Jesus" will jump down and kick his butt?

(seriously, I'd like to know)


edit: Also I'd like to have this clarified if possible....

Is Jesus God? or is Jesus God's son?

Is the Anti-Christ the Devil ? or are they different?

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World domination is a very, very old ambition. If you can convince people to let evil triumph and they'll come out of it okay because someone else will step in and save them, evil will triumph. It's about lulling people into a false sense of security by capitalizing on their belief in God and harnessing them. It doesn't matter if it's irrational, as long as it's believed.