I don't think anyone has said they should be FORCED to put a sign there (I didn't) but I DO think it's bad business and had I owned the place, I would've had it on a sign.
It helps me to lay it out and see the natural conclusion in black and white. I apologize if it seemed like a blanket accusation or something. I find a lot of my posts are like me having a one sided conversation with society that someone has overheard. :o lol
I've sorta seen both sides of the sign thing, so in the interest of better understanding where a person's attitude comes from concerning this, I offer up some of my experiences with "danger", and signage, all presented in a confusing, disjointed manner...
I have no idea why the insurance risk management crew wasn't on top of this situation.
I understand signs can help families. I'm also extremely sensitive when it comes to things that can lull people asleep, tons of signage is no substitute for a family or individual paying attention to their surroundings.
A big trip for me as a kid was a family vacation driving from MN to Key West. This was pre Epcot in the early 80's. My folks, and older sister shared the driving duties and drove straight through, our first actual motel stop was inside FL somewhere at nighttime.
That first motel was a dive, it looked like murder central, and for all we knew... We slept in our clothes on top of the bedding and laughed it off because it was definitely affordable. We still laugh about it 30+ years later.
Point being, our young, pasty white family of four from MN, pre-internet days, had the "alligator danger"
family safety briefing that night, at that hotel, while we were surveying their crappy outdoor pool- not much to see. We had the conversation
before we noticed their "beware of alligators" sign. There was a big ditch/pond about 15 yards from the chain-link fenced pool that we noticed just barely visible from the pool area lights, and our imaginations were running wild. My mom has always had a morbid fascination and respect for all things wild and scary, and we benefited. That simple, quick, family safety briefing got our minds right as we entered Florida gator country.
We did do Disney World that trip, and we really had no desire to get close to any of their lake-like water features, more out of practicality rather than safety -I remember they had some single person motor boats you could rent for some ridiculous price. We were on a schedule, so it was see the main Disney attractions and move on. We did do Cypress Gardens as well, and we were wary of any body of water we walked past that looked like it could hide an alligator -even with those Belles distracting us. (distracting
me lol)
We knew about alligators in FL
before we left our MN house,
Everglades & history,
Live And Let Die, Mutual Of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.lol We knew that: Fenced pool = pretty safe (and we had heard stories about THAT as well-gators getting into pool stories from MN friends/family who had heard it from someone else), all other water, salt or fresh, can kill you in FL.
People have been know to survive and thrive
without signs. People have been known to die, while ignoring clear signage.
There have been two times in my adult life in HI where I
might've done well to read a sign or two warning about nature -
both times I should have known better, and I went with "no reasoning" anyway.:o One instance swimming in rough surf (I had no business being out there), and one instance riding my enduro motorcycle off road. (I
almost purposely drove over a berm to see what was coming up next -it was a 200' cliff). Doh!:o I still remember
that feeling. It was a "cliffy" area, but there was no clear indication what lay beyond that specific berm.
My heart goes out to your family susano, and of course for your niece those years ago, yet my family would not be part of any kind of judgement that dismissed any kind of trespassing -ever. No matter what the "law" allows. It is the property owner's call.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, but "attractive hazard"? Am I the only one who reads that as simply "temptation"?
My sister and I were taught as kids (I remember it as a four year old), that if we got hurt or killed doing something we shouldn't be doing (trespassing or stealing), too bad. It appears harsh, but it absolutely protects other's property rights without cops, and that
healthy respect for other people's stuff, has absolutely helped me avoid making some really dangerous choices in my life.
Vague liability issues are really lost on myself, a dumb Christian, acutely aware of my own short comings, acutely aware of my own frail, earthly life, and believing no one owes me compensation for something I have set in motion myself. Again, I mean no offense, and I
certainly didn't mean to ramble on for so long -but again, for better understanding of where some might be coming from.
cheap security system.
