Atheist Ron Paul supporters

[TheViper]

When you are all old and ready to face the grim reaper you will all believe, Hee

Must say I disagree with this.

Some face death with dignity and grace knowing their time on Earth has served its purpose. Especially the "old and ready to face the grim reaper" types.

Some, though, in moments of peril that may cause death may request for God to help them as a last ditch effort for any possible help at all. Not so much as a quick jump to a religious outlook but just a hope for anyone and/or anything to help.

But some do get to that point and change their beliefs. Just saying you can't lump every atheist into the latter category.

 

[BUSHLIED]

Bushlied, I think you may want to investigate Christopher Hitchens a bit more. There is a purpose to what he is preaching.


I have and I have spoken with Chris directly, he lives here in DC...he is an atheist and he doesn't like the 'monotheistic religions...'


And I have to tell you, that this is a bit scary...

Yeah it is a bit scary because you would be taking away someone's worldview and that means change...

I have and I have spoken with Chris directly, he lives here in DC...he is an atheist and he doesn't like the 'monotheistic religions...'

 

[LukeO]

Non belief.
is that an unconscious state? A lack of brain function.
If your mind is working and processing information, then you are forming beliefs as to the perceived information.

Non belief would require negative brain function.

Do you believe in Zeus or Thor?

If you don't, then what's the name I should call you because of your lack of belief in them?

 

[Meatwasp]

Yum Yum on second thought I know people who are comfortable with their beliefs always die peacefully. Those that are on a guilt trip will be scared and worry what will happen to them.
I happen to believe the soul lives on and the body just dies.

 

[pcosmar]

Do you believe in Zeus or Thor?

If you don't, then what's the name I should call you because of your lack of belief in them?

I believe they were myths, considered gods by some. I do not believe they were or are supreme beings.
That is my belief.
Perhaps if I believed they did not exist in any way at all that would also be a belief.

I believe there is a God. That is my belief.

If I believed there was no God,, that would also be a belief.

Get it?

Oh, I have been called many things. but Christian will do, as far as my beliefs go.

 

[low preference guy]

You may be right as I am not afraid to die. But most old people that were anti religion in their youth have gotten it when it was time for them to leave. Russia is putting religion back in the schools after their revolution.

This post reminds me of Voltaire. When he was dying somebody asked him to renounce to the devil. Voltaire replied: "This is no time to make new enemies".

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah it is a bit scary because you would be taking away someone's worldview and that means change...

No. I found it rather scary, because of the way you might want to "educate" those of us who you do not agree with. Given that you admire Hitchens so much.

I have and I have spoken with Chris directly, he lives here in DC...he is an atheist and he doesn't like the 'monotheistic religions...'

There is more to him than that. Look into his worldview.

 

[robert68]

I think non-belief is precisely in line with Libertarianism.

Religion is a tool of the state used to control people, it's been imposed by every budding empire in history in order to uniformly convert/control populations and keep them subjugated.

I actually find it hard to believe someone would oppose the state and not their biggest tool, mythology and religion.

I significanlty agree. In the early 90’s or so, there was a widely respected extensive written survey taken on the beliefs of libertarians. And (not surprising to libertarians at the time), a significant percentage of them identified themselves as non-religious. Libertarianism wouldn’t exist without the non-religious. Murray Rothbard didn’t base his case in his books on religious claims.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I significanlty agree. In the early 90’s or so, there was a widely respected extensive written survey taken on the beliefs of libertarians. And (not surprising to libertarians at the time), a significant percentage of them identified themselves as non-religious. Libertarianism wouldn’t exist without the non-religious. Murray Rothbard didn’t base his case in his books on religious claims.

That's interesting. Since the Libertarian party was started by traditional conservatives (largely Christian) who were dissatisfied with the Republican party.

Also, I think you need to check yourself on Rothbard. I've posted quotes from Rothbard and all libertarianism owes to Christianity, several times.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

That's interesting. Since the Libertarian party was started by traditional conservatives (largely Christian) who were dissatisfied with the Republican party.

Also, I think you need to check yourself on Rothbard. I've posted quotes from Rothbard and all libertarianism owes to Christianity, several times.

qft

 

[robert68]

That's interesting. Since the Libertarian party was started by traditional conservatives (largely Christian) who were dissatisfied with the Republican party.

Also, I think you need to check yourself on Rothbard. I've posted quotes from Rothbard and all libertarianism owes to Christianity, several times.

You didn't refute anything I wrote. Libertarianism didn't begin when Ron Paul ran for President in 2008. Loads of books have been written by libertarians in the last 40 plus years, very few if any, based their cases on religious claims, and that certainly goes for Murray Rothbards numerous books.

 

[pcosmar]

I significanlty agree. In the early 90’s or so, there was a widely respected extensive written survey taken on the beliefs of libertarians. And (not surprising to libertarians at the time), a significant percentage of them identified themselves as non-religious. Libertarianism wouldn’t exist without the non-religious. Murray Rothbard didn’t base his case in his books on religious claims.

As a Christian I have often referred to myself as "non-religious", or more often as irreligious.
I do not "belong" to any denomination or sect of Christianity, and have often though organized religion does more harm than good.
I suppose it depends on whether you consider ANY belief (faith) a religion.
But then , I suppose that the Atheist Faith (belief) could also be called a religion, if you consider any belief (faith) a religion.

 

[pcosmar]

You didn't refute anything I wrote. Libertarianism didn't begin when Ron Paul ran for President in 2008.

Was it supposed to be a refutation, or just a statement of facts?

 

[LukeO]

Libertarianism is a reflection of classic liberalism, which for the most part was deist, and not christian in any way. Like the founding of this country.

 

[LukeO]

I believe they were myths, considered gods by some. I do not believe they were or are supreme beings.
That is my belief.
Perhaps if I believed they did not exist in any way at all that would also be a belief.

I believe there is a God. That is my belief.

If I believed there was no God,, that would also be a belief.

Get it?

Oh, I have been called many things. but Christian will do, as far as my beliefs go.

There's nothing to get. You disbelieve in infinite amounts of things that have never even been told to you, yet you'll claim to just believe they aren't true. You're using semantics at an elementary level and I actually feel a little embarrassed i'm even having to say that to you.

 

[YumYum]

Libertarianism is a reflection of classic liberalism, which for the most part was deist, and not christian in any way. Like the founding of this country.

I have a hard time seeing George Washington or Ben Franklin rolling around or dancing in the isles. Many early Americans may have had some sort of belief or faith, but they lived by what they believed and minded their own business; not forcing it on others. That didn't start until Jehovah's witnesses started knocking on people's doors. (I used to be a witness)

 

[LukeO]

I have a hard time seeing George Washington or Ben Franklin rolling around or dancing in the isles. Many early Americans may have had some sort of belief or faith, but they lived by what they believed and minded their own business; not forcing it on others. That didn't start until Jehovah's witnesses started knocking on people's doors. (I used to be a witness)

I'm sure a lot of them had beliefs. Remember, it was Thomas Paine's Common Sense and The Rights of Men which were strongly against religion, especially Christianity, which were very popular among the colonies prior to the revolution.

Religion always tries to take credit for everything so they can maintain their sphere of control over the people.

I don't have a problem with religious people, most of my family are very devout Christians, I just know the history of religions and governments, and know that both are social constructs with limitations that need to be adhered to.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Geez, not again. The vast majority of our Founders were Christians. Deal with it.

 

[erowe1]

Do you believe in Zeus or Thor?

If you don't, then what's the name I should call you because of your lack of belief in them?

That depends.

If you believe in Zeus, but not Thor, then you're probably a Greek pagan.

If you believe in Thor, but not Zeus, then you're probably a Nordic pagan.

If you don't believe in either one, but you believe in the God of the Bible who revealed himself to us in Jesus Christ, then you're probably a Christian.

If you believe that no gods exist at all, neither Zeus, nor Thor, nor the God of the Bible, nor any others, then you're an atheist.

If that description of an atheist is not what you are, but you merely lack belief in any of those gods without positively disbelieving in them, then you're an agnostic.

 

[LukeO]

Geez, not again. The vast majority of our Founders were Christians. Deal with it.

It doesn't matter if every single one was, none of them wrote the word Christ or Jesus in the constitution or the declaration.

Luckily the greatest, Jefferson, was well aware of religion and it's inherent evil.