Atheist Ron Paul supporters

[TheViper]

I'm a doubting agnostic.

It could be either way (existence of a deity) but the concepts behind the purposes and creations of religions make me skeptical to the point that I believe if a deity does exist that we have it all wrong about them anyway.

 

[BUSHLIED]

I am what you call a 'probabilistic atheist.' It's the middle ground between agnostic and a militant atheist. I don't think there is a 'god' (atheist) but I am open to new evidence about the existence of a Judeo-Christian God should it be presented (agnostic) but I highly doubt that we can understand or know 'god' (i.e. prove or disprove the existence of god). Basically I just say, well I don't know if god exists but I choose not to believe and don't behave as if there is one, but I am open to new scientific evidence...*even though I seriously doubt that is even possible. Also, I embrace a naturalistic world-view.

Also, I think you have to be clear about what 'god' you don't believe in. When I think of atheists I think they are referring to the monotheistic religions. Not some energy force etc...

I also take the viewpoint of Christopher Hitchens that think religion is poison and I also suggest like Nietzsche (even Freud) that organized religion is for the 'weak' and that organized Judeo-Christianity is a 'slave morality.' It should be eradicated through education. Not sure what that makes me now, lol.

I can respect and support Ron Paul because he is a libertarian at heart. He supports others to worship as they please, and that means atheists too. I*edit: I should, in order to be intellectually honest state that I think science is a superior form of 'knowing' then religion.

I disagree with his views on life/abortion but other than that, he's not an evangelical and so I see no contradiction for atheists that support Ron Paul.

 

[Revolution9]

Well..this thread is a steaming hotbed of collectivisms arguing manmade constructs as though they are of The Divine Creator and thereby coming to magnanimous conclusions that resemble knowledge but not wisdom..

Carry on.

Rev9

 

[LibertyEagle]

Bushlied, I think you may want to investigate Christopher Hitchens a bit more. There is a purpose to what he is preaching.

And I have to tell you, that this is a bit scary...

It should be eradicated through education.

 

[fatjohn]

I don't think atheists or agnosticists mind the definition of the terms since they don't believe they'll go to hell if they identify themselves as the wrong one once in a while...

 

[Sola_Fide]

LoL at the psuedo-intellectualism in this thread LoLoLoL

 

[inibo]

I thought the purpose of this thread was to find out how many of us there are, not to rehash a bunch of tiresome arguments that will convince no one one way or the other.

 

[ronpaulitician]

Sadly, what you're describing is the teachings of Western Christianity, not Jesus Himself. The 4 books from the bible that contains the life of Jesus are some of the most amazing writings in existence. To not know them and try to understand them would have to be the saddest thing if Christians are the ones keeping you from doing so. If we all lived according to the teachings of Jesus, we'd have no need for Ron Paul.

I knew them well enough and understood them well enough to tell my parents that I didn't buy the stories, and no longer wanted to be an altar boy or be in the church choir. The years since have only strengthened my belief that there's no way the very god described in the Bible would be okay with the book being presented as representing his vision.

 

[inibo]

I knew them well enough and understood them well enough to tell my parents that I didn't buy the stories, and no longer wanted to be an altar boy or be in the church choir. The years since have only strengthened my belief that there's no way the very god described in the Bible would be okay with the book being presented as representing his vision.

Yep. People don't seem to grasp that there are people who know the Bible very well and still don't believe it--or, as in my case, don't believe it any more.

 

[hazek]

I'm amazed that so many "atheists" support a Christian like Ron Paul. Philosophically, I don't believe "Atheism" comports with Ron Paul's views on rights and limited government, but it is still interesting that he has so many "atheists" on his side in the cause for liberty.

It reminds me of this latest article written by Dr. Chuck Baldwin.

Nothing amazing about it. Ron want's to protect my freedom, not conform me to his religion. I really don't care if he believes in unicorns and aliens as long as he does that..

 

[LukeO]

I think non-belief is precisely in line with Libertarianism.

Religion is a tool of the state used to control people, it's been imposed by every budding empire in history in order to uniformly convert/control populations and keep them subjugated.

I actually find it hard to believe someone would oppose the state and not their biggest tool, mythology and religion.

 

[ClayTrainor]

LoL at the psuedo-intellectualism in this thread LoLoLoL

What a valuable contribution to the thread! Does your ego feel better now after making such a generalized insult?

 

[pcosmar]

I use "atheist" loosely. I don't think people should be defined by what they don't believe.

Everyone "believes" something.
Unless they are brain dead.
Whether what you believe is truth or a lie, it is still a belief.
Whether you believe that there is a god or believe that there is no god.
it is still a belief.

 

[pcosmar]

I think non-belief is precisely in line with Libertarianism.

Non belief.
is that an unconscious state? A lack of brain function.
If your mind is working and processing information, then you are forming beliefs as to the perceived information.

Non belief would require negative brain function.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'd say I've run into maybe 2 out of thousands of people in real life who've outwardly said they were atheist. And maybe 1/3 or half this forum is. So yeah it's relatively high.

This forum is but an extremely small minority of the Ron Paul supporters in our country. Not to mention the fact that you are only counting those forum members who have chosen to post about their faith.

 

[dejavu22]

I believe that i cannot possibly know the answer and with that in mind... i don't worry about it. I don't believe in god but i also don't outright deny an existence.

Beyond that i see organized religion as a crutch for the weak minded much like many libertarians here see moochers who support big government because they think that it is the only way that they can get a better life. Where i believe that if there is a god it is your individual relationship with him that is important and not going to a building once a week and giving him 10% of your paycheck. Though its voluntary so if that's what you want, go for it.

 

[erowe1]

No, that would be a Gnostic Atheist (i consider myself one) but you can also have Agnostic Atheists who don't believe in a god, but do not claim to know if there is or isn't one.

From the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief.

Oxford English Dictionary:

atheism - Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a God. Also, Disregard of duty to God, godlessness (practical atheism).

The definition you're using is one that has only recently started to become popular, and that's entirely due to self-proclaimed atheists who don't want to take on any burden of proof.

 

[Meatwasp]

When you are all old and ready to face the grim reaper you will all believe, Hee

 

[YumYum]

When you are all old and ready to face the grim reaper you will all believe, Hee

That is not always true. I have watched my religious relatives die, scared to death of dying, panicking up till the end, and afraid that God would not resurrect them, or send them to Hell, and I have watched atheist relatives die who accepted it and died peacefully.

 

[Meatwasp]

You may be right as I am not afraid to die. But most old people that were anti religion in their youth have gotten it when it was time for them to leave. Russia is putting religion back in the schools after their revolution.