Are You Ready to Pay $50 for a 100-Watt Bulb?

[Razmear]

Does the Federal Government have the Constitutional authority to Ban Light Bulbs?

As early as Tuesday, the South Carolina House will begin debating a bill that would allow companies to manufacture incandescent bulbs in South Carolina as long as they stamp them "Made in South Carolina" and sell them only within the state. Supporters of the bill say the federal government would have no authority to intervene because its power to regulate business extends only to commerce that crosses state lines.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110328/ap_on_re_us/us_light_bulbs_states

They have the authority to ban interstate trafficking of light bulbs via the Commerce Clause.

 

[Dr.3D]

Guess each state needs to manufacture it's own light bulbs.

 

[Danke]

Wow, didn't know we had so many that detest the free market here.

 

[ARealConservative]

Guess each state needs to manufacture it's own light bulbs.

that old court case concerning the guy growing wheat on his own field for his own use was still ruled as interstate commerce.

so if an activity that didn't even include commerce is commerce, then what hope does South Carolina have engaging in actual commerce?

 

[FrankRep]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110328/ap_on_re_us/us_light_bulbs_states

They have the authority to ban interstate trafficking of light bulbs via the Commerce Clause.

You don't understand how the government banned the Incandescent Bulb, therefore, you're wrong on the Government's Constitutional authority.

The Bill: Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, aims to mandate lower energy usage by imposing energy consumption levels on individuals. That's UnConstitutional.

This UnConstitutional Bill also included a section that banned the Incandescent Bulb.


Source:

Republicans Seek Repeal of Incandescent Bulb Ban
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index...ublicans-seek-repeal-of-incandescent-bulb-ban

Bring Back the Incandescent Bulb
http://www.votervoice.net/core.aspx...ueId=23696&APP=GAC&SiteID=-1&VV_CULTURE=en-us

 

[Dr.3D]

that old court case concerning the guy growing wheat on his own field for his own use was still ruled as interstate commerce.

so if an activity that didn't even include commerce is commerce, then what hope does South Carolina have engaging in actual commerce?

It's starting to sound like they need to abolish every federal law and start over.

 

[ARealConservative]

The Bill: Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, aims to mandate lower energy usage by imposing energy consumption levels on individuals. That's UnConstitutional.

sure, but the original intent of the constitution is powerless to help us.

 

[FrankRep]

sure, but the original intent of the constitution is powerless to help us.

We have weapons.






Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century
- Thomas E. Woods Jr


State vs. Federal: The Nullification Movement

Because the Supreme Court has for many years interpreted the Constitution in a manner to further empower the federal government, states are moving to take power back from the feds through a growing and vibrant nullification movement. By Patrick Krey​

Nullification in a Nutshell

The modern-day nullification movement has as its genesis the principle of federalism and the writings of James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, in particularly the famous Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions of 1798, supporting the right of states to nullify unconstitutional federal usurpations. By Patrick Krey​

 

[fisharmor]

At least I can expect an intelligent and respectful argument from you on the issues, which I appreciate.

Whereas I appreciate it when people who have been supporting libertarian ideas for so long as you bother to learn some economic fundamentals about the position.
If I am being disrespectful it is because your underlying assertion is that markets don't work, and that government control of individual action is a good thing.
Yours is an inherently anti-private property, anti-market, anti-free trade, and anti-liberty position, and I do not respect it. If we were at a party or on a subway I might hold my tongue, but your position is inappropriate in a place ostensibly devoted to liberty.

I would also note that at no point did I assert that you are unintelligent.

 

[Razmear]

The Bill: Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, aims to mandate lower energy usage by imposing energy consumption levels on individuals. That's UnConstitutional.

the bill imposes standards of manufacturing on companies, it does not prohibit individuals from arc welding in their living room to produce light, or ban them from using light bulbs.
In the course of being the sole advocate here for banning the bulbs, I've had a chance to read significant portions of the bill. It set standards like having 'wall warts' automatically switch between load and no load modes when their not charging something, sets efficiency standards for air conditioners, and a bunch of other stuff.
The bill is not just some evil plot to make people buy CFL's or to remotely scan your house for light bulbs so they can do a gestapo raid on your house and confiscate them from ya.
The bulbs are obsolete and other than acting as a heat source they have little practical use anymore.

Time to watch the Bruins game and stop wasting time talking about light bulbs.
eb

 

[Razmear]

I would also note that at no point did I assert that you are unintelligent.

And I appreciate that, think you did call me a jackass at some point, but it's all good.

Sorry, but hockey is more important than light bulbs, so I'm off for now.

 

[specsaregood]

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[Anti Federalist]

there you go, moving the goal post again. you said they can tell if you are using a 100w incandescent bulb. this will only tell THE USER that a given outlet is drawing 100 watts. it could be a hair dryer, or something else, and it only reports to the user.

*sigh*

Read it again.

down to even the exact appliance and outlet.

And if it will tell the user it will tell the utility.

I know it's scary, and I know you don't want to believe it, but, it's true.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

I dont think they should ban light blubs... I should be able to light my house with whatever bulb I choose.

On a side note, better watch out you bitcoin miners, they going to think you growing pot running 2000watts of power supplys.

 

[Anti Federalist]

LOL, not much of a thinker in terms of future applications are ya? As an inventor/programmer/thinker I can assure that it is only a matter of time until the communications are standardized and the system WILL know exactly what make/model of the item drawing that electricity. Hell, it probably already exists -- it ain't rocket science. as far as it only reporting to "the user". Sure, now. But it doesn't take much of a leap to figure that won't always be the case.

Yup, already exists.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...00-Watt-Bulb&p=3282726&viewfull=1#post3282726

 

[invisible]

Candles and oil lamps? Gee, too bad the city where I live made them illegal a few years back with an "open flame law", along with kerosene heaters and being able to solder on your plumbing or air conditioning systems. And of course a few years before that, it became a "housing code" violation to not have utility service.

 

[ARealConservative]

LOL, not much of a thinker in terms of future applications are ya? As an inventor/programmer/thinker I can assure that it is only a matter of time until the communications are standardized and the system WILL know exactly what make/model of the item drawing that electricity. Hell, it probably already exists -- it ain't rocket science. as far as it only reporting to "the user". Sure, now. But it doesn't take much of a leap to figure that won't always be the case.

I have spent 20 years in i/t and I will be happy to bet with you that your big vision is idiotic. how much time do you need - 20 years? 30 years? no way will devices, outlets, meters, and every other piece of infrastructure be changed so govt can figure out who is using inefficient types of household items.

this stuff right here - this is why we run into electability issues. Ron Paul can only do so much, he can't combat this type of idiocy and paranoia coming from his supporters.

 

[ARealConservative]

*sigh*

Read it again.



And if it will tell the user it will tell the utility.

I know it's scary, and I know you don't want to believe it, but, it's true.

you believe everything you read?

you have any fucking idea how this works? baaaa baaaa. I read something on the internet, it must be true. baaaa baaaaaa

 

[ARealConservative]

Yup, already exists.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...00-Watt-Bulb&p=3282726&viewfull=1#post3282726

nope, the marketing says it will soon.

what it doesn't say, is that the system can blindly decipher what type of device is plugged in. I'd bet dollars to donuts you have to provide a little info for it to report on the type of device and it can only detect the energy draw, polarity, etc.

 

[Anti Federalist]

you believe everything you read?

you have any fucking idea how this works? baaaa baaaa. I read something on the internet, it must be true. baaaa baaaaaa

WTF are you talking about?

Are you telling me the wired, interactive, "smart house" doesn't exist?

Next you'll be telling me that "smart phones" that track and monitor your location are a figment of my imagination as well.

I suppose these people are committing fraud by selling these devices that, if you're will willing to spend for the top of the line model will monitor four complete circuits in individual or aggregate mode along with five individual appliances?

This is just one of hundreds of whole house electrical monitoring systems that do not just monitor total house usage but can monitor usage right down to the individual circuit and tell what type of appliance is on it. Bet your ass they will link in with the wireless smart meters.

TED 5004-C
$455.80
Model 5004-C comes with all the components necessary to monitor energy usage from four sources, along with a sleek, wireless display. Users can access their data on their computer or mobile device to track energy usage, monitor up to five individual appliances, project monthly bills, and view historical data. The data from all four MTUs is logged/graphed separately, but can also be seen in aggregate as well.

The TED 5004-C package has the option to integrate with Google PowerMeter and includes:
-Four Measuring Transmitting Units with four sets of Current Transformers (Four MTU/CT sets)
-One Gateway embedded with Footprints software
-One sleek, wireless Display with AC/DC charger and charging stand