Are You Ready to Pay $50 for a 100-Watt Bulb?

[Anti Federalist]

nope, the marketing says it will soon.

what it doesn't say, is that the system can blindly decipher what type of device is plugged in. I'd bet dollars to donuts you have to provide a little info for it to report on the type of device and it can only detect the energy draw, polarity, etc.

Yes, that article was from 2009.

See my reply.

 

[ARealConservative]

WTF are you talking about?

I am talking about how you don't understand what the product can actually do. you read some tin foil hat articles, and ran with it.

Are you telling me the wired, interactive, "smart house" doesn't exist?

they can't tell the type of device that is plugged in. they can only detect signatures, like drain, polarity, etc. they can't do what you claim they can do.

Next you'll be telling me that "smart phones" that track and monitor your location are a figment of my imagination as well.

no. that is a straw man

I suppose these people are committing fraud by selling these devices that, if you're will willing to spend for the top of the line model will monitor four complete circuits in individual or aggregate mode along with five individual appliances?

again, they can't decipher what the 5 individual appliances are. If they report on the type of device, it is because you gave the system that information.

anf again, it is only user delivered info. the infrastructure upgrades needed to do this for all homes, and report to someone is just idiotic.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I am talking about how you don't understand what the product can actually do. you read some tin foil hat articles, and ran with it.

Umm, every article I posted was from a source that was laudatory of the new technology or from the manufacturer themselves.

they can't tell the type of device that is plugged in. they can only detect signatures, like drain, polarity, etc. they can't do what you claim they can do.

I have systems on my vessel that tell me what is on a circuit, what type of draw it's making and whether it's resistive, passive or inductive. Meaning I can tell by looking at the distribution board, whether it's an electric motor, a resistance appliance like a heater or incandescent light bulb or a "wall wart", electronics and so on. They are made by Siemans. While not wireless, it's possible to tie the whole system in to a wireless network to transmit the information.

anf again, it is only user delivered info. the infrastructure upgrades needed to do this for all homes, and report to someone is just idiotic.

I agree, it is idiotic.

Doesn't mean for one second it ain't gonna happen.

 

[pcosmar]

I am talking about how you don't understand what the product can actually do. you read some tin foil hat articles, and ran with it.

Tin foil hat defense. That's the best you got?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication

There is a lot of information there. Feel free to research it a bit beyond the Wiki entry.

 

[ARealConservative]

Umm, every article I posted was from a source that was laudatory of the new technology or from the manufacturer themselves.

nothing you have posted indicates they can blindly detect the device plugged in, which was the intitial scare tactic you went with.

I have systems on my vessel that tell me what is on a circuit, what type of draw it's making and whether it's resistive, passive or inductive. Meaning I can tell by looking at the distribution board, whether it's an electric motor, a resistance appliance like a heater or incandescent light bulb or a "wall wart", electronics and so on. They are made by Siemans. While not wireless, it's possible to tie the whole system in to a wireless network to transmit the information.

you can not tell if the drain is an incandescent bulb, or a hair dryer, so long as they have the same energy demands, polarity, and other signature attributes.

Doesn't mean for one second it ain't gonna happen.

it isn't feasible, it ain't gonna happen.

 

[specsaregood]

nope, the marketing says it will soon.

what it doesn't say, is that the system can blindly decipher what type of device is plugged in. I'd bet dollars to donuts you have to provide a little info for it to report on the type of device and it can only detect the energy draw, polarity, etc.

who needs blindly when the product manufacturers standardize and have their products send a little packet of info identifying it? hell, its just a minor extension of existing RFID to get it to send the info out over the electrical lines in the house.

 

[ARealConservative]

who needs blindly when the product manufacturers standardize and have their products send a little packet of info identifying it? hell, its just a minor extension of existing RFID to get it to send the info out over the electrical lines in the house.

so now every manufacturer is going to start transmitting device info so we can properly regulate 100 watt bulbs.

so we should expect a new agency soon assigning unique id's to company devices, right?

 

[specsaregood]

Tin foil hat defense. That's the best you got?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication

There is a lot of information there. Feel free to research it a bit beyond the Wiki entry.

which is already what I use in my house. works great, better than wireless and easier than running cat5 everywhere.

 

[specsaregood]

so now every manufacturer is going to start transmitting device info so we can properly regulate 100 watt bulbs.

so we should expect a new agency soon assigning unique id's to company devices, right?

sure, stuff is only gonna get even cheaper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification

RFID makes it possible to give each product in a grocery store its own unique identifying number, to provide assets, people, work in process, medical devices etc. all with individual unique identifiers - like the license plate on a car but for every item in the world.

as far as the new agency, I don't know. I'd have to look at how they are doing it already.

 

[pcosmar]

as far as the new agency, I don't know. I'd have to look at how they are doing it already.

Hey.
enough with the "tin Foil hat stuff".

 

[ARealConservative]

this thread screams to me that I am no longer a fit for these forums.

those with the most rep I have the least respect for.

so never mind me people. I'm slowly backing away towards the door.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Wow, what kind of rotten tooth nerve was tapped in this thread?

That's two people that just got up and walked out in a huff, after their initial contentions were shot down by documentation.

In a thread over light bulbs. That riled up twice as many people who walked out.

And government mandates that I would have thought, around here anyway, would have been a no brainer to oppose.

WTF?

Are you guys really that scared?

this thread screams to me that I am no longer a fit for these forums.

those with the most rep I have the least respect for.

so never mind me people. I'm slowly backing away towards the door.

 

[Philmanoman]

Is this relevant to the discussion.Came across this on a simple search.It sounds like it can tell what appliances you have but I just briefly looked at it so Ill throw this out there.Too tired to read into it heheh.

http://www.geappliances.com/home-energy-manager/appliance-energy-consumption.htm

from the website:
The hand-sized Nucleus energy manager plugs into any standard electrical outlet, and is designed to wirelessly gather power usage information from your smart meter* (which provides whole home consumption data), as well as estimated consumption data from individual Brillion appliances and devices.
Install the software (included with your Nucleus) on your home computer to view and manage your electricity use. GE is also developing an innovative new smart phone application for even more energy monitoring and management.


The last sentence lol.

 

[specsaregood]

Wow, what kind of rotten tooth nerve was tapped in this thread?
That's two people that just got up and walked out in a huff, after their initial contentions were shot down by documentation.
In a thread over light bulbs. That riled up twice as many people who walked out.
And government mandates that I would have thought, around here anyway, would have been a no brainer to oppose.
WTF?
Are you guys really that scared?

I don't even know what they are upset about. It is just technology, and there is obviously a consumer demand for it. Just like cellphones. I find it hard to believe that some can't see how some people in power might want to take advantage of that consumer demand for their own purposes. It doesn't mean they are pushing the demand.

 

[pcosmar]

Not yet,
But expect it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Is this relevant to the discussion.Came across this on a simple search.It sounds like it can tell what appliances you have but I just briefly looked at it so Ill throw this out there.Too tired to read into it heheh.

http://www.geappliances.com/home-energy-manager/appliance-energy-consumption.htm

It was, very relevant, thanks for posting.

It has a page that shows the product that everybody here is telling me I'm nuts for thinking exists.

Be on the market by Q3 2011.

Nucleus™ is a communication and data storage device that plugs into a regular home electrical outlet and communicates with the home's smart meter. It provides secure information about household electricity consumption and costs via simple home computer interfaces (and, in the near future, via smart phone applications) so you can make active choices to lower bills and improve energy efficiency. Nucleus can also be set to automatically control a GE smart thermostat or alter the consumption of GE smart appliances in response to utility price signals—adding new levels of convenience, savings potential, and control.

http://www.geappliances.com/home-energy-manager/home-energy-monitor-faqs.htm

 

[specsaregood]

It has a page that shows the product that everybody here is telling me I'm nuts for thinking exists.
Be on the market by Q3 2011.

Case closed.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I don't even know what they are upset about. It is just technology, and there is obviously a consumer demand for it. Just like cellphones. I find it hard to believe that some can't see how some people in power might want to take advantage of that consumer demand for their own purposes. It doesn't mean they are pushing the demand.

I just posted the link to the GE Nucleus system that uses one simple plug in sensor that can monitor the whole house grid's usage and communicate with "smart meters" along with linking to "smart appliances".

I posted the system on my vessel that reads precisely how much, and what type, of use is on a particular circuit.

And it's somehow "ridiculous" to think that a smart grid meter could not read what types of loads are on the grid?

Deciphering whether the load on an AC circuit is inductive, passive or resistive is child's play, electronically speaking.

I posted numerous stories about how cops are already linked into to the utilities and using them to bust pot growers...WTF?

 

[The Moravian]

Two Words:

No bans.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Candles and oil lamps? Gee, too bad the city where I live made them illegal a few years back with an "open flame law", along with kerosene heaters and being able to solder on your plumbing or air conditioning systems. And of course a few years before that, it became a "housing code" violation to not have utility service.

Where the hell is that?

WTF?