Are You Ready to Pay $50 for a 100-Watt Bulb?

[ARealConservative]

Yes they can, and yes you do get raided, although not for bulbs, yet.

way to move the goal post.

Yes, people that setup huge indoor grow houses use so much electricity that people start taking notice. They also have an array of lights that amount to 100+ 100w bulbs in use. Often times, the investigation begins because the electical company suspects someone is stealing your electricity, or that their equipment is faulty.

nobody will ever be able to tell if a person is running a few 100w bulbs, as you tried to insinuate.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Did they get documentation to that affect: ie: the electric company informing the police? or did they just assume.
Because it might have been due to the police driving around with those FLIR detectors -- which is usually illegal.

I am not sure honestly as I did not ask. I found out the police raided his home (a man in his 70's who is president of a local gardening club) and when I asked him why he said the electric company told the cops that he was potentially growing pot. I don't know how he got that information.

 

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

I cannot believe people are actually defending this. Bottom line is that the government has zero right to tell me what bulbs I can or cannot use.

 

[specsaregood]

I am not sure honestly as I did not ask. I found out the police raided his home (a man in his 70's who is president of a local gardening club) and when I asked him why he said the electric company told the cops that he was potentially growing pot. I don't know how he got that information.

It might be worth finding out. Remember that is what that "never get busted" guy did to setup the police who were illegally driving around with FLIR detectors.
Might be able to expose some cops breaking the law -- if it is illegal in MD to use flir without a warrant-- just saying.

 

[Razmear]

Religious decisions, weapons decisions all impact the "health care grid".

You do not own the "health care grid".

Therefore I have right to regulate anything you do that will affect my cost in the "health care grid".



What if told you that I spent $30,000 last year to install a full solar/wind/battery inverter system in my home, and am, for all intents and purposes, "off the grid".

Just as I am for water. I own the mineral and water rights below my property, I have own well, with my own pump, that I pay for.

At least I can expect an intelligent and respectful argument from you on the issues, which I appreciate.
If you are off the grid, then yes, you own your own power and can do with it what you like. Seeing how SC is probably going to pass a bill for domestic production of incandescent bulbs for in state use, I'll gladly ship you all you need at cost.

For the whiners who say taking away a wasteful item is an infringement on their personal freedom, while they consume a shared resource they do not own, I still call that a BS and selfish argument.

re: the health care grid.
I haven't had health insurance for over 20 years, I've only been to the doctor once in that time, and that was for stitches after an injury at work. (workmans comp)
I refuse to take part in the heath care system, I'd rather die of a brain tumor in my sleep than give my life savings to a corrupt industry so I can cling to life for a few more years. I'm opposed to anyone making me pay for something that I refuse to take part in.

re: water
If it's piped in by a private company, as it is here, or by the town then it is a shared resource. If it's your well, it's your water, do what you like.

re: the electric grid
The US has one of the worst electric grids in the developed world, our entire infrastructure is failing as well.
So seeing such resistance to what should just be common sense conservation of what is a shared resource, most often with lame and irrelevant arguments makes me almost nauseous.
An old fashioned light bulb is a heating element that has a waste product of light, it is obsolete technology, not an industry that is being prematurely snuffed out.
If you want to think that I'm a statist, fascist, the root of all evil or an Obama-lover for being glad that this wasteful product is finally being phased out, then more power to you.

re: south
Yes we have a/c, it's usually set at 79 cuz I'm a cheap bastard.

re: hens
I've learned more about chicken in this thread than anything else. Like I said, if ya need bootleg bulbs for your farm, just let me know, but I'm pretty sure something on the exemption list would work for ya.

eb

 

[Anti Federalist]

nobody will ever be able to tell if a person is running a few 100w bulbs, as you tried to insinuate.

I will take action on that.

Wanna bet?

How much?

 

[Anti Federalist]

If you want to think that I'm a statist, fascist, the root of all evil or an Obama-lover for being glad that this wasteful product is finally being phased out, then more power to you.

No, I don't think any of that at all.

I just think you might not be thinking this thing all the way through.

This isn't the market driving innovation, it's government forcing a product that many people don't want on them, and grabbing yet another piece of power over all our lives and setting yet another precedent for further power grabs in the future.

The product in question and it's benefits are entirely moot in this argument AFAIC.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Well, that was a productive conversation...

 

[Razmear]

I cannot people are actually defending this. Bottom line is that the government has zero right to tell me what bulbs I can or cannot use.

You are correct, but they do have the power to ban the manufacture of those bulbs.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/appliance_standards/commercial/pdfs/eisa_2007.pdf

 

[Echoes]

I cannot people are actually defending this. Bottom line is that the government has zero right to tell me what bulbs I can or cannot use.

I, too, am amazed. It's astonishing. Especially to see it on a Ron Paul site.

Just goes to show this is a big tent campaign, we even get fasco-authoritarian types jumping on board lol

 

[Dr.3D]

You are correct, but they do have the power to ban the manufacture of those bulbs.

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/appliance_standards/commercial/pdfs/eisa_2007.pdf

LOL, you pointed to an unconstitutional bill as proof?

Show us in the U.S. Constitution where they have the authority to pass such a bill.

 

[Anti Federalist]

way to move the goal post.

Yes, people that setup huge indoor grow houses use so much electricity that people start taking notice. They also have an array of lights that amount to 100+ 100w bulbs in use. Often times, the investigation begins because the electical company suspects someone is stealing your electricity, or that their equipment is faulty.

nobody will ever be able to tell if a person is running a few 100w bulbs, as you tried to insinuate.

Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
nobody will ever be able to tell if a person is running a few 100w bulbs, as you tried to insinuate.

I will take action on that.

Wanna bet?

How much?

I'm not a betting man, so I only bet on sure things:

The AgileWaves whole house home energy monitoring system, that will monitor down to each outlet and what's on it.



Highly Detailed Information Puts Users In Control
Sometimes it can be hard to figure out where your energy is going within your home. But with monitoring systems like this, the information can get extremely detailed. With Agilewaves' system, users can look at energy use in each room of the home, and will soon be able to see pinpointed information down to even the exact appliance and outlet.

Already, a parent can see if their teen has been watching television in their room all night long. But in the next iteration of the system, they'll be able to pinpoint, say, a leaky irrigation system as the reason for a spike in their water bill.

Additionally, the system itself uses an extremely low wattage - between 20 and 30 watts depending on the size of the system - so it makes as little impact on homeowners' energy use as possible.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/200...home-energy-monitoring-system-at-wcg-2008.php

 

[Razmear]

LOL, you pointed to an unconstitutional bill as proof?

Show us in the U.S. Constitution where they have the authority to pass such a bill.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:

 

[Razmear]

Just goes to show this is a big tent campaign, we even get fasco-authoritarian types jumping on board lol

I think I'm the only one here actually defending the ban, and I jumped on board about 4 years before you did.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Ummm, I'd go without light bulbs before submitting to this B.S. To be honest, I don't really use light bulbs anyway. Usually my television or monitor light is sufficient for me to get something done at night. I mean, it's not like we have to write essays on paper anymore, just type it on a P.C. Even your refrigerator lights up when you open it. I hope this gets repealed though, same with the toilet crap.

 

[FrankRep]

I think I'm the only one here actually defending the ban, and I jumped on board about 4 years before you did.

Does the Federal Government have the Constitutional authority to Ban Light Bulbs?

 

[Dr.3D]

Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:

Ha ha ha.... the Commerce Clause?
Go on....

 

[Razmear]

Ha ha ha.... the Commerce Clause?
Go on....

You asked what gives them the authority, and that is the answer. Sorry if you don't like it. ha ha ha...

 

[ARealConservative]

I cannot believe people are actually defending this. Bottom line is that the government has zero right to tell me what bulbs I can or cannot use.

don't confuse defending this, with arguing with idiots trying to scare people about technology that doesn't exist.

 

[ARealConservative]

I'm not a betting man, so I only bet on sure things:

The AgileWaves whole house home energy monitoring system, that will monitor down to each outlet and what's on it.

there you go, moving the goal post again. you said they can tell if you are using a 100w incandescent bulb. this will only tell THE USER that a given outlet is drawing 100 watts. it could be a hair dryer, or something else, and it only reports to the user.