Another mass shooting? Sikh Temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin

[pcosmar]

And where did the other 4 shooters go? No one saw them leave?

No Idea,,but if I were to speculate,, and using the alternate speculative scenario I presented.

When police arrived and were engaged outside..and as they assembled they simply went out the back,, split up,, changed out of their tactical gear and left..
In another alternate speculation,, they simply blended in with police and showed their badges. Then left.

Easier than believing that witnesses say an organized team dressed in dark clothing and then the "suspect"ends up being a dumpy white guy in a white T shirt.
I can understand some witness deviation.. ,Dark blue, green, Gray, or black clothing. Some varying estimates of height.

Or a guy in a White T Shirt.. which NO witness mentioned seeing.

 

[BlackTerrel]

There's lots of violence around the world every day. It's just what the media chooses to cover that matters since you don't know about it unless someone else tells you about it or you're there yourself. They're covering shootings right now since it gets ratings and it's very convenient (whether a FF or not) for the current anti-gun agenda. Last time you saw CNN cover a drive-by shooting of gangbangers in LA? Never forget that stuff is only covered by the media because it's favorable to ratings and the owner's agendas. There is no unbiased media.

I think the difference is drive by's happen all the time and mass shootings at Sikh Temples happen almost never.

We can say "media" but we're the ones that drive them. We have 220 posts on this shooting, we'd have less than 10 on a drive by in LA.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Now some details have come out, and surprise surprise, the shooter is ex-Army from a psychological operations unit.

Surprise surprise because all the mass shootings recently have been from people who served in psychological operations units....oh wait, no they didn't.

 

[BlackTerrel]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/06/us-usa-wisconsin-shooting-idUSBRE8740FP20120806

Wade had been a member of the racist skinhead band End Apathy, based in Fayetteville, North Carolina, in 2010, said Heidi Beirich, director of the intelligence project at the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama.

Wade also tried to buy goods from the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group, in 2000, she said.

The band name is unfortunate for us

-t

Because now anyone who opposes apathy will be assumed to be a neo-nazi who enjoys mass murder?

Seems a bit of a stretch.

 

[devil21]

I think the difference is drive by's happen all the time and mass shootings at Sikh Temples happen almost never.

We can say "media" but we're the ones that drive them. We have 220 posts on this shooting, we'd have less than 10 on a drive by in LA.

And in other news, 7 people were shot by a female during a drive-by in Detroit last night. CNN forgot to cover that one.

eta: Oh now it's up. They've ignored it all day but now it gets a tiny font at the bottom of the page. Sikh shooting still front page, top.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/06/us/michigan-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

 

[BlackTerrel]

FBI searching for another 'person of interest.'

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/165140006.html

OAK CREEK - Federal officials say another man is said to be a "person of interest" in the Oak Creek Sikh Temple shooting where seven people died.

That person is pictured to the left.

Teresa Carlson, an FBI special agent in charge, did not release the name of the man, but said he was a person of interest.

Officials said he came to the scene after the shooting.

FBI officials ask you to call 1-800-CALL-FBI if you have any information on him.

Click here for Journal Sentinel video of the person who they say is the person of interest.

Video of POI.

http://www.jsonline.com/multimedia/...IT6p0-bOvkmnTqxgp_tjv2Dsg&bctid=1773785405001


Damn cops are conspiracy theorists! Everyone knows it is just a lone white-supremacist shooter. And while I am aware that this is certainly no smoking gun it is put out as a reminder that even the F.B.I. have not ruled out others involved.

I think there's a difference between saying that there may have been others involved and...

This was a false flag set up and plotted by the media and government in order to.... in order to.... demonize white supremacist musicians?

BTW this dude looks like he has never been laid... may have something to do with his anger at minorities issues.

 

[devil21]

I think there's a difference between saying that there may have been others involved and...

This was a false flag set up and plotted by the media and government in order to.... in order to.... demonize white supremacist musicians?

BTW this dude looks like he has never been laid... may have something to do with his anger at minorities issues.

He looks like military or police with hair grown out. He's got that same sort of hard 1000 yard stare going on.

The reason for the false flag speculation is because it all ends up in debates and legistlation about gun control, while conventiently demonizing groups of people that the gov't has recently "warned" everyone about being dangerous. Gun control is the holy grail for the elite and they've said so many times and in many ways.

 

[BlackTerrel]

The first reports I heard was a shooter wearing "tactical gear" and of course that led to discussion about the CO shooter's gear. Then next time I checked it turned into a bald white guy in a white tshirt and jeans. His tactical gear disappeared apparently.

Look anytime there is an event like this and adrenaline is pumping and you have 1,000 different media wading through 100 different sources there is going to be false or incomplete information. That is what you would expect to happen. It doesn't mean there is a conspiracy it means eyewitness testimony is rarely reliable and media jumps to be first on scene.

In 9/11 when it first happened they said there were 40,000 dead. Then as the smoke cleared it ended up being less than 3,000. That doesn't mean 40,000 actually died and then they changed the story. It means no one knows the whole picture minutes after an event happens.

If you want to seize on this you could claim discrepancies every time there is a murder or car accident anywhere in the world. If that makes you feel better.

 

[devil21]

All pieces of the puzzle.

 

[BlackTerrel]

The reason for the false flag speculation is because it all ends up in debates and legistlation about gun control....

Debate yes. But it doesn't actually change anyones mind does it? Everytime an event like this happens anti-gun people say the solution is less guns and pro-gun people say the solution is more guns. It doesn't actually benefit either side or change anyones mind.

Except in the case of the batman shooting it led to a surge in gun sales. Which maybe would make you think the gun manufacturers were behind it. But no one on this forum would speculate that because we like those guys. Funny how the conspiracy theory can only go one way.

while conventiently demonizing groups of people that the gov't has recently "warned" everyone about being dangerous.

Yes it's so convenient that a 40 year old lead singer of a white supremacist group did this. Prior to this shooting most Americans thought white power rockers were just swell. Damn government.

 

[jcannon98188]

Debate yes. But it doesn't actually change anyones mind does it? Everytime an event like this happens anti-gun people say the solution is less guns and pro-gun people say the solution is more guns. It doesn't actually benefit either side or change anyones mind.

Except in the case of the batman shooting it led to a surge in gun sales. Which maybe would make you think the gun manufacturers were behind it. But no one on this forum would speculate that because we like those guys. Funny how the conspiracy theory can only go one way.



Yes it's so convenient that a 40 year old lead singer of a white supremacist group did this. Prior to this shooting most Americans thought white power rockers were just swell. Damn government.

Or, for a more realistic example:

Lets suppose hypothetically, that our Nation possibly passed some anti-terror legislation (Patriot Act) that made us paranoid about terrorists. Following that paranoia, they conveniently, lets say, pass a contingency plan, to deal with them (NDAA). Now, the people probably wouldn't think much of this because the Military are our friends, and there hasn't really been any real terrorist threats lately. Then suppose a few "random" mass murders take place and the people start getting worried about being caught in one of those attacks. Suddenly, maybe the people are not so opposed to that contingency plan. These events build for awhile, and public support increases. Now, lets say around this time a power hungry president is nearing the end of his reign. Then, completely unrelated a boogeyman appears (Iran) that causes our nation to go to war. Troop numbers are at an all time high, and everyone is fearing the inevitable attack. Lucky for us, our benevolent hypothetical government is looking out for us, and foils a massive terrorist attack! We are saved!!!! But this government warns us that more is coming, and only they can save us. Save us government save us! And our glorious troops, the ones we honor and support, save us all by arresting "the bad ones" among us. The ones that question government. The ones that save the jews, I mean don't pay taxes. Anddddd we suddenly become Nazi Germany.

That is why we see these false flag attacks. Because they have happened before. Look up the Reichstag Fire and learn about Hitler's ascension to power. We are following the EXACT same path, and that is why we see the signs. We are saying the things we are saying because we have learned from history, and are not too keen to repeat it.

 

[devil21]

Debate yes. But it doesn't actually change anyones mind does it? Everytime an event like this happens anti-gun people say the solution is less guns and pro-gun people say the solution is more guns. It doesn't actually benefit either side or change anyones mind.

Don't forget Lautenberg's new bill intended to kill online ammo sales. More to come Im sure.

Except in the case of the batman shooting it led to a surge in gun sales. Which maybe would make you think the gun manufacturers were behind it. But no one on this forum would speculate that because we like those guys. Funny how the conspiracy theory can only go one way.

Freedom in this country is only going one way too. Which direction do you think that is?

Yes it's so convenient that a 40 year old lead singer of a white supremacist group did this. Prior to this shooting most Americans thought white power rockers were just swell. Damn government.

Hmm...you forgot the dangerous military vet part. Hey, isn't Homeland starting back up soon?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Or, for a more realistic example:

Lets suppose hypothetically, that our Nation possibly passed some anti-terror legislation (Patriot Act) that made us paranoid about terrorists. Following that paranoia, they conveniently, lets say, pass a contingency plan, to deal with them (NDAA). Now, the people probably wouldn't think much of this because the Military are our friends, and there hasn't really been any real terrorist threats lately. Then suppose a few "random" mass murders take place and the people start getting worried about being caught in one of those attacks. Suddenly, maybe the people are not so opposed to that contingency plan. These events build for awhile, and public support increases. Now, lets say around this time a power hungry president is nearing the end of his reign. Then, completely unrelated a boogeyman appears (Iran) that causes our nation to go to war. Troop numbers are at an all time high, and everyone is fearing the inevitable attack. Lucky for us, our benevolent hypothetical government is looking out for us, and foils a massive terrorist attack! We are saved!!!! But this government warns us that more is coming, and only they can save us. Save us government save us! And our glorious troops, the ones we honor and support, save us all by arresting "the bad ones" among us. The ones that question government. The ones that save the jews, I mean don't pay taxes. Anddddd we suddenly become Nazi Germany.

That is why we see these false flag attacks. Because they have happened before. Look up the Reichstag Fire and learn about Hitler's ascension to power. We are following the EXACT same path, and that is why we see the signs. We are saying the things we are saying because we have learned from history, and are not too keen to repeat it.

Because that should be read twice ^

 

[devil21]

Whoa whoa whoa...now the media is calling any mag equipped handgun the "Weapon of Choice for Mass Murderers". The first paragraph clearly tries to imply that the same weapon was used in all these shootings but later changes it to different makes and models. A Glock 19 that holds a Glock 18 mag is now the same type of gun as a Springfield XD with a 10 round mag and is also the same gun as a Glock 21 in an entirely different caliber, according to this piece. I guess anything but a revolver is a weapon of mass murder now.

http://news.yahoo.com/handgun-type-used-sikhs-mass-shooting-weapon-choice-051221545.html

(Reuters) - The semiautomatic handgun used in the deadly attack on a Wisconsin Sikh temple is the same type used in other recent U.S. mass shootings, including one at a theater in Colorado, and the attack on a congresswoman in Arizona, gun experts said.

If it's black it's gotta be bad.

 

[phill4paul]

Whoa whoa whoa...now the media is calling any mag equipped handgun the "Weapon of Choice for Mass Murderers". The first paragraph clearly tries to imply that the same weapon was used in all these shootings but later changes it to different makes and models. A Glock 19 that holds a Glock 18 mag is now the same type of gun as a Springfield XD with a 10 round mag and is also the same gun as a Glock 21 in an entirely different caliber, according to this piece. I guess anything but a revolver is a weapon of mass murder now.

http://news.yahoo.com/handgun-type-used-sikhs-mass-shooting-weapon-choice-051221545.html



If it's black it's gotta be bad.

Exactly. That and expanded L.E. surveillance power....

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...-sikh-temple-shooter-20120806,0,2390104.story

Federal investigators had “looked at” Sikh temple gunman Wade Michael Page more than once because of his associations with right-wing extremists and the possibility that he was providing funding to a domestic terrorist group, but law enforcement officials at the time determined there was not enough evidence of a crime to open an investigation, a senior U.S. law enforcement official said.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media, would not say Monday which law enforcement agency had considered investigating Page, or when.

But the FBI is prohibited under federal law from collecting information on U.S. citizens not suspected of committing a crime. In order to open a domestic terrorism investigation, FBI agents must believe a suspect has threatened violence, has broken federal law and is trying to advance a political or social agenda.

This sets the bar high for opening a domestic terrorism case before someone has made a specific threat of violence or committed a crime.

 

[phill4paul]

I think there's a difference between saying that there may have been others involved and...

This was a false flag set up and plotted by the media and government in order to.... in order to.... demonize white supremacist musicians?

BTW this dude looks like he has never been laid... may have something to do with his anger at minorities issues.

Sure, there is a difference. It could be that it was just a bunch of skinheads. It could just as well be that a shadow group engineered the whole thing. To deny that shadow groups covertly engineer situations to affect a political goal is to deny the existence of the C.I.A., Mossad, KGB, etc......

 

[oyarde]

CNN cites a military source as saying he was discharged for 'patterns of misconduct.' It could be any number of things over a period of 6 years. He had been demoted so that would imply some kind of NJP.

I heard that last night , I would be interested in the pattern of mis conduct , he was prmoted to E 5 by the looks of things in ordinary fashion , so the the pattern of mis conduct started ??

 

[tod evans]

BTW this dude looks like he has never been laid... may have something to do with his anger at minorities issues.

Since when are minorities responsible to get white guys laid?...

 

[jcannon98188]

Since when are minorities responsible to get white guys laid?...

Since the days on the plantation that's when.


That... was horrible. I apologize in advance. I couldn't help it, forgive me.

 

[Athan]

He's probably a member of the glenn beckstabber movement.