Analysis of Arizona Immigration Bill

For those who don't like the Arizona bill, lets replace it with this one!!


Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home
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Mexico's Immigration Law: Let's Try It Here at Home
by J. Michael Waller
05/08/2006


Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That's too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the U.S. look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve
our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:
immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;


foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;

foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;

foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;

foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens -- and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, illegal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or
General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy.

It is an interesting law -- and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a
crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. [1] Now let's look at Mexico's main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)


Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

All of the above runs contrary to what Mexican leaders are demanding of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices versus its American
immigration preachings is telling. It gives a clear picture of the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States.

Let's call Mexico's bluff on its unwarranted interference in U.S. immigration policy. Let's propose, just to make a point, that the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) member nations standardize their immigration laws by using Mexico's own law as a model.

This article was first posted at CenterforSecurityPolicy.org.

[link to www.humanevents.com]
 
SO what, there's no problem arresting someone if there is legal ground to deport them.

Illegal imigrants are criminals. They may be petty criminals, but they are criminals nevertheless.

You guys sit far away, cheering while watching the crazy open-border's La Raza guys attack police officers, but those of us who are on the ground understand what is happening here. Our society is under a deliberate demographic assault with the intention of diluting and removing as a vital political force, the classical liberal tendencies and predispositions of a large group of Americans. There are coyotes murdering little kids on I17, and local law enforcement can't do anything about it. Van Buren Blvd is flooded with thousands of illegals, and local law enforcement can't do anything about it.

I will never get why some of you don't see this as chasing your tails.

The illegals are criminals. There's reason to suspect they're illegals, which means there's reason to ask them to prove they are not illegals. If they are not actually illegals...? I suspect the person is an illegal because...? A person is suspected of being an illegal and must demonstrate their innocence at the drop of a hat because...?

So far I've heard "It's for the greater good," "There's no better way," and now "Because they're criminals!"

They need to be deported because they're criminals because they need to be deported because they're criminals and I suspect that because...? This is very different from something like suspicion of DUI, where someone is weaving around and creating a danger. This smells way more like how people accepted all the glorious checkpoints because it's "for the greater good," too.

I do know what I'm doing next time I travel, though :p I'm putting a little Mexican flag decal on Abe's rear windshield ;)
 
Ok, this is like the 28th time I've had to explain to you that legal citizens are not in fact criminals and should not have their rights violated and this bill will do that.

I will literally say this 100 times if that is what it takes to show people on this forum how dense you are.

Keep it coming.. tell me ALL about how all these people who are going to have their rights violated are illegal aliens, it just makes you look more ignorant every time you say it.

And for about the hundredth time I've had to explain to you that legal citizen's rights are not threatened or infringed by this enforcement of existing federal law. This law doesn't violate illegal immigrant's rights, it enables law enforcement to detect illegals, and enables them to be separated from the law abiding population.

I'm going to continue to expose you for who you are, a racist open-borders advocate of a police state. That is all that will come as aresult of your proposed policies. I don't mind saying it a hundred thousand times to demonstrate to the readers precisely how treacherous your message is.
 
I will never get why some of you don't see this as chasing your tails.

The illegals are criminals. There's reason to suspect they're illegals, which means there's reason to ask them to prove they are not illegals. If they are not actually illegals...? I suspect the person is an illegal because...? A person is suspected of being an illegal and must demonstrate their innocence at the drop of a hat because...?

So far I've heard "It's for the greater good," "There's no better way," and now "Because they're criminals!"

They need to be deported because they're criminals because they need to be deported because they're criminals and I suspect that because...? This is very different from something like suspicion of DUI, where someone is weaving around and creating a danger. This smells way more like how people accepted all the glorious checkpoints because it's "for the greater good," too.

I do know what I'm doing next time I travel, though :p I'm putting a little Mexican flag decal on Abe's rear windshield ;)

Fuck you. Go live in Venezuala.

Let's start at the very beginning.

People have a right to their lives. As a result of this right, they have the right to the fruits of their labot, their property. People band together to collectively defend their individual right to self-defense, and they call this defensive organization, government.

Government's duty then, is not to protect people outside of the individuals composing it, but is rather to protect the rights of the members of the defensive organization.

This is why one of the primary duties of government is to secure and defend the borders.

This is why a federal law was passed requiring all immigrants to be able to produce their documentation of legal status upon demand. This law, the one on the books for 50 years, is the one the state of AZ has determined it will enforce.

There is no violation of anyone's rights here, and certainly not the lawbreaking illegals.
 
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And you can keep posting that everyplace, and I will keep wondering how they knew about e-verify 50 years ago.

My comment wasn't refering to EVerify, it was relating to the pre-existing federal law which the AZ law will be enforcing.
 
And for about the hundredth time I've had to explain to you that legal citizen's rights are not threatened or infringed by this enforcement of existing federal law.

Completely disagree, heard of the Patriot Act? There is plenty of existing Federal Law that is unconstitutional.


This law doesn't violate illegal immigrant's rights,

They have rights? I'm not even considering their rights here, I have no problem pretending that they don't have ANY rights. I am talking about American Citizens who get stopped and law enforcement uses the excuse that they thought they might be illegals in order to perform illegal searches. It has nothing to do with illegal immigration. This has to do with the fourth amendment.


it enables law enforcement to detect illegals, and enables them to be separated from the law abiding population.

I'm going to continue to expose you for who you are, a racist open-borders advocate of a police state. That is all that will come as aresult of your proposed policies. I don't mind saying it a hundred thousand times to demonstrate to the readers precisely how treacherous your message is.

No, YOU are the one advocating a police state and throwing the Constitution out the window. You have zero understanding of the fourth amendment and you sound like a complete fool to most people here who DO understand the fourth amendment.
 
Fuck you. Go live in Venezuala.

I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around the reasons for the fourth amendment. Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves at what is going on. It is amazing that somebody who is saying to go move to another country is advocating abolishment of the fourth amendment. It's ironic, and very, very sad.
 
I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around the reasons for the fourth amendment. Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves at what is going on. It is amazing that somebody who is saying to go move to another country is advocating abolishment of the fourth amendment. It's ironic, and very, very sad.

The 4th amendment isn't violated when a police officer asks an individual for proof of identification.
 
Completely disagree, heard of the Patriot Act? There is plenty of existing Federal Law that is unconstitutional.




They have rights? I'm not even considering their rights here, I have no problem pretending that they don't have ANY rights. I am talking about American Citizens who get stopped and law enforcement uses the excuse that they thought they might be illegals in order to perform illegal searches. It has nothing to do with illegal immigration. This has to do with the fourth amendment.




No, YOU are the one advocating a police state and throwing the Constitution out the window. You have zero understanding of the fourth amendment and you sound like a complete fool to most people here who DO understand the fourth amendment.

WRONG. YOU are the one advocating an immigration system which will inevitably lead to the creation of a banana republic here in the United States. You have ZERO understanding of the law, of this proposed law, of the U.S. Constitution and its original construction, and you fail to distinguish a perfectly reasonable questioning of someone stopped for breaking the law with Gestapo tactics.

You fail miserably on all counts.
 
Its sad to see people in our very own movement that do not "Get It". I guess John Taylor is advocating the National ID card like a few others around here?
 
I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around the reasons for the fourth amendment. Our founding fathers would be turning in their graves at what is going on. It is amazing that somebody who is saying to go move to another country is advocating abolishment of the fourth amendment. It's ironic, and very, very sad.

Who on here has advocating abolishing the 4th Amendment? I haven't seen a solitary soul.

The 4th Amendment only proscribes unreasonable searches and seizures. It is perfectly reasonable to ask people to identify themselves to police officers, especially when there is an epidemic of millions upon millions of foreign criminals roaming within the country, just waiting until they can vote for some politician who shares your viewpoint.
 
WRONG. YOU are the one advocating an immigration system which will inevitably lead to the creation of a banana republic here in the United States. You have ZERO understanding of the law, of this proposed law, of the U.S. Constitution and its original construction, and you fail to distinguish a perfectly reasonable questioning of someone stopped for breaking the law with Gestapo tactics.

You fail miserably on all counts.

I agree with you, but could you keep the discussion civil. Many of these people you are battling with have loved ones who are affected by this. I personally know a few illegals who are great people, but I'm not going to selectively ignore a sound law because I have an emotional connection with them. Now if this new law violates the 4th amendment, then I'm against it, but I doubt that's the case given the incredible judicial scrutiny that's approaching.
 
Its sad to see people in our very own movement that do not "Get It". I guess John Taylor is advocating the National ID card like a few others around here?

No!!! You're reading a different thread if that's what you're getting out of this.

This law only enforces the perfectly constitutional preexisting federal immigration law, which requires that migrants carry their documentation with them. AZ is just enforcing the law that the feds, because of folks like you, hasn't enforced in decades.
 
The 4th amendment isn't violated when a police officer asks an individual for proof of identification.

Bullshit. Like I said last night, you have NO clue in how police officers abuse laws to get what they want. Technically they can pull you over for a broken tail light then ask to search your car, and if you turned them down they can ask for your papers and search your car anyways. How fucking hard is this to understand? :rolleyes:
 
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