Adverse effects of polio vaccines

[Firestarter]

Bradford Hill, Knoweldon - Inoculation and Poliomyelitis

Of 340 cases of reported “poliomyelitis” investigated from Melbourne, Australia, 31 had received an injection of diphtheria toxoid or pertussis vaccine, within three months of the onset of the paralysis.
The paralysis was significantly more frequent in the limbs in which they were vaccinated.

In the 17 of them younger than 3 years that had been vaccinated in the preceding 35 days, the severity of the paralysis was greater in the last inoculated limbs than in a comparable group of children not recently vaccinated.

The site of paralysis frequently coincided with the site of injection at given intervals.
Table IV shows that, of the children who had been vaccinated in the month preceding the paralysis, 81% had paralysis in the limb of injection. This proportion is much higher than for children whose last injection was 1 to 6 months before – that involved the limb of injection in 25%, and when it was longer than 6 months before 15 %.

Table V shows for the 7 older children with paralysis a similar significant difference.
Four of these children (57%) had paralysis in the limb of injection, but for the large group whose vaccination was more than 6 months distant only 10% showed an association of the sites of injection and paralysis.

In the 1949 epidemic of polio in Australia, paralysis was associated with inoculation procedures in the month preceding the recorded date of onset of paralysis. But no such effect was observed for vaccinations 3 or more months before the start of illness.

A. Bradford Hill, J. Knoweldon – Inoculation and Poliomyelitis (1950): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2038021/

 

[Firestarter]

Vaccine-derived polio

The oral polio vaccine (OPV) is the most used polio vaccine around the world in the “global polio eradication efforts” (which for some reason increases paralysis). The OPV contains “live but weakened” polioviruses that can cause polio.
Researchers have found that an OPV virus “can very rapidly regain its strength if it starts spreading on its own”, acquiring “mutations that make it basically indistinguishable from the wild-type virus”. In other words, there is no real difference between a “wild” and “OPV-derived” poliovirus, and the OPV-virus causes polio...

The OPV vaccine used to be trivalent, containing 3 vaccine serotypes corresponding to the 3 wild polioviruses (types 1, 2 and 3). In 2015, after global public health agencies declared wild poliovirus type 2 eradicated; in 2016 they decided to oversee a 155-country “switch” to a bivalent oral vaccine (without type 2).
After this “switch”, vaccine-derived polio outbreaks have emerged in numerous countries.

You´ll never guess what solution they proposed for these polio outbreaks caused by vaccines – more vaccines!
They specifically had the third world population poisoned with a “judicious use of a new live vaccine… effective against only type 2”.
In a strange twist, this has caused even MORE type 2 vaccine-derived outbreaks that far exceeded “projections” since mid-2017.

Outbreak investigators have been documenting an uptick in vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 infections in: Angola, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Congo, Ethiopia, Ghana, Kenya, Mozambique, Niger, Nigeria, and Somalia.
On 29 September, a polio outbreak in the Philippines was reported, caused by “vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2”. This is another classic example of fearmongering, the “outbreak” counted a total of 2 children. But this is 20 years after the WHO declared the Philippines polio-free.
In other countries ranging from Myanmar to Indonesia to Papua New Guinea, also cases of paralytic polio resulting from vaccine-derived poliovirus type 1 are reported.

Of course this won´t mean to stop poisining children with vaccines...
They plan a “novel” genetically engineered oral vaccine supported by the Gates Foundation.
The second planned polio vaccine, is an inactivated vaccine hypothesised to be “powerful enough to end outbreaks”.
There are even plans to stop poisoning children with OPV and switching over exclusively to inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) administered via injection. While the theory is that IPV doesn’t cause polio, it has been observed that “Even children who have received IPV… can be infected by and transmit the vaccine viruses”.

In Pakistan, some citizens in poor communities are refusing the oral polio vaccine, questioning the public health charade that does nothing against more pressing health threats, like lack of running water and sanitation. Instead of responding to these reasonable concerns, the government has started jailing uncooperative parents.

Even a CDC virologist has admitted that due to the stop-gap use of the new type-2-only vaccine, “We have now created more new emergences of the virus than we have stopped”.
Another vaccine expert concluded, “if you just keep trickling in with a little bit of [monovalent] vaccine every time you think you have a problem all you’re doing is reseeding [more transmission chains]”: https://www.collective-evolution.co...on-still-causing-polio-after-all-these-years/
(http://archive.is/Nj56N)

 

[Zeeder]

All vaccine debates usually end up reading like a religious debate.........because it is.

If Ron Paul has taught me anything, it's if the government is on your side, check yourself.

Alot of studies are quoted on this thread as well as any debate. The problem is they are fake.

https://newspunch.com/lancet-editor-scientific-studies-false/

Half of industry reseach is fake, misleading, and omits data. So you have to use critical thinking skills.

Sanitation, refridgeration, nutrition, and toilets are the reason polio and other diseases left us. Even in the 60's people still had outhouses etc....

Polio is a mild disease. The horror stories about it are there to scare. the CDC even admits to this.

https://www.cdc.gov/polio/about/index.htm

Most of the damage by polio was most likely the vaccine itself. CNN even ran an article about FDR having Guillain-Barre, which is a known side effect of some vaccines.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/10/31/roosevelt.polio.reut/

Most people with polio barely know they have it. 99%+ are just fine. It is also transmitted through feces, so again toilets saved us.

The same goes for measles. A non-deadly disease.........unless you are in a 3rd world country with poor nutrition and sanitation.
This year nobody died of measles in the United states outbreak. While in madagascar 1 in 60 were dying.

Critical thinking tells you that it isn't the measles virus that's the problem. It's the health of the actualy people.

I also noticed that there are alot of pro status quo posters here. They are here on purpose and most likely paid. You can tell by there massive post counts.

 

[donnay]

All vaccine debates usually end up reading like a religious debate.........because it is.

If Ron Paul has taught me anything, it's if the government is on your side, check yourself.

Alot of studies are quoted on this thread as well as any debate. The problem is they are fake.

https://newspunch.com/lancet-editor-scientific-studies-false/

Half of industry reseach is fake, misleading, and omits data. So you have to use critical thinking skills.

Sanitation, refridgeration, nutrition, and toilets are the reason polio and other diseases left us. Even in the 60's people still had outhouses etc....

Polio is a mild disease. The horror stories about it are there to scare. the CDC even admits to this.

https://www.cdc.gov/polio/about/index.htm

Most of the damage by polio was most likely the vaccine itself. CNN even ran an article about FDR having Guillain-Barre, which is a known side effect of some vaccines.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/10/31/roosevelt.polio.reut/

Most people with polio barely know they have it. 99%+ are just fine. It is also transmitted through feces, so again toilets saved us.

The same goes for measles. A non-deadly disease.........unless you are in a 3rd world country with poor nutrition and sanitation.
This year nobody died of measles in the United states outbreak. While in madagascar 1 in 60 were dying.

Critical thinking tells you that it isn't the measles virus that's the problem. It's the health of the actualy people.

I also noticed that there are alot of pro status quo posters here. They are here on purpose and most likely paid. You can tell by there massive post counts.

Bravo!

+rep

 

[Zippyjuan]

Polio is a mild disease.

Bravo!

+rep

Ask Ron Paul about that. He saw friends become paralyzed or even die from it. He called the polio vaccine "a wonderful thing". People today haven't seen its impacts.

 

[donnay]

Ask Ron Paul about that. He saw friends become paralyzed or even die from it. He called the polio vaccine "a wonderful thing". People today haven't seen its impacts.

How about talking to the mother's and father's who have watched their beautiful, vibrant and alert child, after getting a vaccine, regress, scream, and die.

There is no reason why we cannot have a discussion about these issues and independent safety studies proving that vaccines are safe for all.

Vaccine makers and vaccine investors will continue to push thier propaganda as; "vaccine are safe," as long as they are not held liable for damage that those vaccines have caused to many people's lives.

 

[Zippyjuan]

How about talking to the mother's and father's who have watched their beautiful, vibrant and alert child, after getting a vaccine, regress, scream, and die.

There is no reason why we cannot have a discussion about these issues and independent safety studies proving that vaccines are safe for all.

Vaccine makers and vaccine investors will continue to push thier propaganda as; "vaccine are safe," as long as they are not held liable for damage that those vaccines have caused to many people's lives.

How many times has that actually happened?

 

[donnay]

How many times has that actually happened?

VAERS has paid out 4 Billion dollars thus far. There have been many parents who have been turned down by an biased group that oversees VAERS, and lots of parents had no idea to report their cases.

 

[Zippyjuan]

VAERS has paid out 4 Billion dollars thus far. There have been many parents who have been turned down by an biased group that oversees VAERS, and lots of parents had no idea to report their cases.

Doesn't answer the question. How many kids dropped dead following a vaccine?

(VAERS doesn't pay out anybody- that is the reporting system- anybody can claim a side effect to VAERS and cause/ effect need not be proven to be listed).

 

[donnay]

Doesn't answer the question. How many kids dropped dead following a vaccine?

(VAERS doesn't pay out anybody- that is the reporting system- anybody can claim a side effect to VAERS and cause/ effect need not be proven to be listed).

Since it is so under-reported here are a few the media actually reported:


https://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/May-2011/In-Memoriam--Infant-Deaths---Vaccination.aspx
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article236237578.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/health/samoa-mmr-baby-deaths-intl/index.html
https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post...2/philippines-suspicion-dengue-vaccine-linked
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/4-c...easles-rubella-vaccination-in-gujarat-1891488
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/09/least-15-children-syria-die-measles-immunization-campaign
https://www.mmtimes.com/news/deaths-five-children-not-related-encephalitis-vaccine-say-doctors.html
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...ndates-and-no-mmr-vaccine-healthier-children/

 

[donnay]

VAERS has paid out 4 Billion dollars thus far. There have been many parents who have been turned down by an biased group that oversees VAERS, and lots of parents had no idea to report their cases.

My mistake, I meant VICP.

$4 Billion and Growing: U.S. Payouts for Vaccine Injuries and Deaths Keep Climbing

The Health Resources & Services Administration just released new dollar figures reflecting payouts from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The payouts for vaccine injuries just went past the whopping $4 billion mark. Using the government’s own conclusion that only 1% of all vaccine injuries are reported, the $4 billion is just the tip of the iceberg. Despite assurances from CDC and our Federal agencies that all vaccines are safe, the payouts say otherwise. Vaccine injuries can and do happen—to previously healthy children and adults. Consumers deserve to know the facts about the full range of vaccine risks.

By the Children’s Health Defense Team

In most public health communications about vaccination, officials gloss over vaccine risks, dismissing any possible “side effects” as mild. However, vaccination programs have always resulted in more serious vaccine injuries for some. In the 1970s and early 1980s, for example, the diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) vaccine and its whole-cell pertussis component had chalked up so much vaccine damage that a television documentary likened receiving a DPT shot to playing “vaccine roulette.”

After the DPT debacle began attracting widespread attention, vaccine manufacturers started pressuring Congress for protection from vaccine injury lawsuits. Congress obliged. In 1986, President Reagan signed into existence a radical piece of legislation—the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA)—which launched what the Act described as an “alternative remedy to judicial action for specified vaccine-related injuries.” A key component of the legislation involved creating the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP), which was given responsibility for deciding (through the workings of a special “vaccine court”) whether specific injuries and individuals would be eligible for financial compensation.

While government-funded Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyers vigorously represent and defend the interests of HHS and vaccine manufacturers, the consumer-unfriendly system forces the vaccine-injured to meet an exceptionally high burden of proof.
Over the vaccine court’s 30-year history, individuals and families have filed over 20,000 petitions for vaccine injury compensation. This month, even as 12% of filed petitions remained unadjudicated, the payouts crossed over the $4 billion threshold. This amount was awarded in response to barely a third (31% or 6,276) of the filed petitions. There is no telling how much more money the taxpayer-funded program might have shelled out if the court had not chosen to dismiss the remaining petitions (56%)—possibly doing so fraudulently in at least some cases.

Running the Gauntlet

Over the three decades, despite the stated intent to furnish an “accessible and efficient forum for individuals found to be injured by certain vaccines,” the NVICP has devolved into a protracted and litigious David-versus-Goliath battleground. The vaccine court, in actuality, is “not a court at all but…a consumer-funded government claims program that uses…employees of Health and Human Services (HHS), rather than judges to make decisions on compensation.” While government-funded Department of Justice (DOJ) lawyers vigorously represent and defend the interests of HHS and vaccine manufacturers, the consumer-unfriendly system forces the vaccine-injured to meet an exceptionally high burden of proof. For dismissed claims, there is no assurance that the program will even cover attorneys’ fees and costs.

Children’s Health Defense recently called attention to a glaring example of the NVICP’s pro-industry and anti-vaccine-injured bias. In 2007 and 2008, DOJ attorneys exhibited “highly unethical and appallingly consequential official misconduct” during an Omnibus Autism Proceeding (OAP) orchestrated to determine the fate of 5,400 families who had filed claims for vaccine-induced autism. The potential value of the claims exceeded $100 billion—an amount that “would have bankrupted the [compensation] program many times over.” HHS’s Department of Justice lawyers, “under pressure” to deprive petitioners of their rightful relief, successfully achieved that aim through allegedly fraudulent means. In September 2018, Children’s Health Defense Chairman Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Rolf Hazlehurst (parent of one of the vaccine-injured children involved in the OAP) requested that the DOJ Inspector General and Congress investigate this fraud and obstruction of justice by HHS and DOJ officials.

Individuals who file claims with VICP must meet specific “medical criteria” and are out of luck unless their illness, disability, injury or condition is covered in the NVICP’s Vaccine Injury Table and manifests within a specified time frame. As an illustration of the difficulties that NVICP petitioners may encounter, consider someone who experiences myocarditis (heart inflammation) following vaccination. A 2018 article in BMJ Case Reports recently observed that myocarditis is one of “the more serious vaccine-related sequela” and “has been reported following many different vaccines.”

Another recent article in a European medical journal describes post-vaccination reports of myopericarditis (inflammation of both the pericardium and the heart muscle) and other autoimmune disorders and offers two extremely plausible mechanisms “by which vaccines can cause autoimmune reactions.” In the Vaccine Injury Table, however, the only place where cardiac symptoms are mentioned is in connection with anaphylaxis—with the table’s notes indicating that “there are no specific pathological findings to confirm a diagnosis of anaphylaxis”—and most autoimmune illnesses are also conspicuously absent.

Tip of the Iceberg

By anyone’s accounting, the $4 billion paid out to date by the NVICP is an attention-getting amount of money. However, that amount pales in comparison to the billions of dollars’ worth of autism claims that the vaccine court unfairly dismissed. According to HHS, moreover, “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported,” and studies confirm that many health providers are unfamiliar with the system for reporting vaccine injuries. The shocking underreporting of vaccine injuries also fails to account for the fact that one in six individuals who experience an “adverse event following immunization” (AEFI) have a recurrence with subsequent vaccination, often rated as “more severe than the initial AEFI.” If even a small percentage of these unreported and recurrent vaccine injuries were brought forward for compensation, the entire NVICP house of cards—and the CDC’s deceptive claims of unassailable vaccine safety—would crumble.

A Gold Rush: Liability Protection Encourages More Vaccines

Instead, whether intended or not, the end result of the 1986 Act and the NVICP has been to create a “gold rush” environment that encourages manufacturers to develop even more vaccines, while conveniently exempting them from liability for the injuries and deaths that result from their powerful immune-system-altering products. With no incentive to make vaccines safe and a large and lucrative market guaranteed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s childhood vaccine schedule—as well as a growing effort to foist unnecessary and dangerous vaccines on adults—vaccine manufacturers appear to have it made. The public and vaccine safety advocates must continue to remind the government that the approximately 6,300 claims that have been compensated over the NVICP’s 30-year history represent the very tip of the iceberg.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...or-vaccine-injuries-and-deaths-keep-climbing/

 

[donnay]

Polio-like illness is spreading like wildfire, and the culprit appears to be vaccines

Thursday, October 17, 2019 by: Ethan Huff

Doctors and scientists say they’re perplexed about a strange mystery disease that’s sweeping the nation, claiming they have no idea what’s causing it. But the most obvious answer is vaccines.

Known as acute flaccid myelitis, the disease has been spreading slowly but steadily across the U.S. in recent years, with symptoms that are very similar to polio. In fact, the mother of one of this disease’s victims actually described it to one media outlet as “our generation’s polio.”

Acute flaccid myelitis is marked by sudden and severe inflammation in the spinal tissue, which can paralyze a person’s neck, face, or diaphragm, as well as the lungs. Not only do these symptoms resemble polio, but they’re also characteristic of both meningitis and Guillain-Barré syndrome.

While still considered to be rare, acute flaccid myelitis, or AFM, is on the rise. It differs from polio in that it typically strikes in the late summer or early fall, and for some odd reasons seems to peak during even-numbered years, meaning the number of cases in 2020 will likely exceed that of 2019.

According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 120 confirmed cases of AFM in 2014, while in 2015 there were only 22 cases. In 2016, this number jumped back up to 153, and once again dropped in 2017 back down to 37. Last year in 2018, that number spiked once again, this time to a peak of 236 cases.

“I can’t think of a single disease that had this pattern that we’re seeing, with modern laboratory diagnostics not figuring it out,” says Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

The CDC has since formed a task force comprised of 17 neurologists, pediatricians, and epidemiologists, as well as other medical experts from health departments and teaching hospitals spanning 10 states, to investigate what might be the cause of AFM. This effort is being funded in part by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, as well as by the National Institutes of Health.

When will the American people finally wake up and stop poisoning their children with dangerous vaccines?
However, it’s unlikely that this CDC task force will come to any honest conclusions about the nature of AFM, seeing as how the CDC would never dare to touch the elephant in the room known as childhood vaccination.

Even though it’s already being reported, at least in other countries, that oral polio vaccines are causing outbreaks of polio-like illness, which is basically just another name for AFM, the CDC is still claiming ignorance on the matter.

What’s interesting about AFM is that it has also been referred to as non-polio acute flaccid paralysis, or NPAFP, which several years back was spreading rapidly across California. When that particular outbreak of NPAFP was being reported, it was observed that the only people affected by it were those who had been vaccinated with polio vaccines.

Health authorities were quick to deny any link between polio vaccines and NPAFP, even going so far as to put the word “non-polio” in the title of this mystery disease. But the evidence spoke for itself, revealing that polio vaccines were the biggest link between all cases of NPAFP that were reported.

“I’ll bet this disease is related to the vaccines they give these kids,” wrote one commenter at WND in response to the news, speculating about the obvious.

“An Italian team of scientists has isolated human cancer cells in MMR vaccines. It’s beginning to look like those Agenda 2030 conspiracy theories may be true.”

For more related news about the dangers associated with childhood vaccination, be sure to check out Vaccines.news.

Sources for this article include:

WND.com

NaturalNews.com

NaturalNews.com

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-10...spreading-like-wildfire-culprit-vaccines.html

 

[Firestarter]

Ask Ron Paul about that. He saw friends become paralyzed or even die from it. He called the polio vaccine "a wonderful thing". People today haven't seen its impacts.

I repeat that there is NO evidence that polio causes paralysis.
It is however known that there are other causes for paralysis, like malnutrition or pesticides.

See the correlation between the most used chemicals, DDT, BHC, Arsenic and Lead, and the number of “polio” cases from 1940 to 1970.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/everything-you-learned-about-cause-polio-wrong
(archived here: http://archive.is/H8uz6)

How about talking to the mother's and father's who have watched their beautiful, vibrant and alert child, after getting a vaccine, regress, scream, and die.

There is no reason why we cannot have a discussion about these issues and independent safety studies proving that vaccines are safe for all.

Vaccine makers and vaccine investors will continue to push thier propaganda as; "vaccine are safe," as long as they are not held liable for damage that those vaccines have caused to many people's lives.

With increasing polio vaccination rates, the rate of paralysis is increasing...
This suggests that the vaccination doesn’t prevent polio or (which is more probable to me) polio vaccination increases the rate of paralysis.

Also see the rising numbers in reported AFP cases from 1993 to 1995 in Cambodia, China, Lao PDR, Philippines, in the 6 countries totally from 2674 to 5644 (more than double in 2 years).
Rudolf H. Tangerman et al – Poliomyelitis Eradication in the Western Pacific Region (1997):
https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=...ll.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEa_S8s7B7lQ7QiTcPDCSM3hhCOWA
(archived here: http://archive.is/mhrzS)

 

[Zeeder]

Ask Ron Paul about that. He saw friends become paralyzed or even die from it. He called the polio vaccine "a wonderful thing". People today haven't seen its impacts.

So? Ron Paul isn't an expert on vaccines. He delivered babies. He put far more effort into government monetary policy.
Most Doctors have never even read the package insert on vaccines. As a Pharmacist I'm more of an expert on vaccines than Ron Paul. I also know as a pharmacist that I'm in the vast minority, and that other pharmacists have never studied vaccines. never read a single study. We do, like doctors, exactly what we are told in school.

If you ask a doctor about the flu he will say "I've seen friends and neighbors hospitalized and even die from it".
Still the flu is a mild disease. 99.+% of people who get the flu recover nicely.

You are also omitting the rest of what Paul said about vaccines, on purpose of course.

Here is the video link of what he actually said

https://planetc1.com/ron-paul-on-immunization-and-vaccines/

For those interested.

Vaccines are a solution for a problem that never existed. It's a product from a company. The same people that brought you Vioxx, bextra, avandia and 100's of other drugs. It's the only product in American History that you can't directly sue for damages.

I dispensed Vioxx, it had 5 years of "science" behind it. It was researched and tested more than ANY Vaccine. And it killed 50-100,000 people.


As far as the VAERS, I can tell you from first hand experience that it is underreported by at least a factor of 10. So when you see 42 deaths a year, it's at least 420. Vaccine deaths or other side effects are extremely hard to report. Most of the people who had problems with the flu shot had them days after the shot. I've seen first hand someone's arm becoming bright red, but it took 3 days. Flu-like symptoms don't happen for 1 or 2 days in most cases. How are we to report this? We don't. Unless someone comes in and says directly to me or staff "I want to report damage from this vacccine". In other words............almost never do we report to the VAERS system.

Vaccines are voodoo. Believe in them if you want. I just ask that, in the name of all that is holy and Ron Paul, don't force people to get them.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Since it is so under-reported here are a few the media actually reported:


https://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/May-2011/In-Memoriam--Infant-Deaths---Vaccination.aspx
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article236237578.html
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/10/health/samoa-mmr-baby-deaths-intl/index.html
https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post...2/philippines-suspicion-dengue-vaccine-linked
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/4-c...easles-rubella-vaccination-in-gujarat-1891488
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/09/least-15-children-syria-die-measles-immunization-campaign
https://www.mmtimes.com/news/deaths-five-children-not-related-encephalitis-vaccine-say-doctors.html
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...ndates-and-no-mmr-vaccine-healthier-children/

First link talks about infant mortality but has no evidence what if any of that was related to vaccines. Second is about a single child who died from a defective batch of a vaccine- acknowledging that it is a rare occurrence.

Severe reactions to vaccines are rare

 

[Zippyjuan]

So? Ron Paul isn't an expert on vaccines. He delivered babies. He put far more effort into government monetary policy.
Most Doctors have never even read the package insert on vaccines. As a Pharmacist I'm more of an expert on vaccines than Ron Paul. I also know as a pharmacist that I'm in the vast minority, and that other pharmacists have never studied vaccines. never read a single study. We do, like doctors, exactly what we are told in school.

If you ask a doctor about the flu he will say "I've seen friends and neighbors hospitalized and even die from it".
Still the flu is a mild disease. 99.+% of people who get the flu recover nicely.

You are also omitting the rest of what Paul said about vaccines, on purpose of course.

Here is the video link of what he actually said

https://planetc1.com/ron-paul-on-immunization-and-vaccines/

For those interested.

Vaccines are a solution for a problem that never existed. It's a product from a company. The same people that brought you Vioxx, bextra, avandia and 100's of other drugs. It's the only product in American History that you can't directly sue for damages.

I dispensed Vioxx, it had 5 years of "science" behind it. It was researched and tested more than ANY Vaccine. And it killed 50-100,000 people.


As far as the VAERS, I can tell you from first hand experience that it is underreported by at least a factor of 10. So when you see 42 deaths a year, it's at least 420. Vaccine deaths or other side effects are extremely hard to report. Most of the people who had problems with the flu shot had them days after the shot. I've seen first hand someone's arm becoming bright red, but it took 3 days. Flu-like symptoms don't happen for 1 or 2 days in most cases. How are we to report this? We don't. Unless someone comes in and says directly to me or staff "I want to report damage from this vacccine". In other words............almost never do we report to the VAERS system.

Vaccines are voodoo. Believe in them if you want. I just ask that, in the name of all that is holy and Ron Paul, don't force people to get them.

If you really are a pharmacist, you should be aware that anybody can file a VAERS report and that the are not verified as to having been actually caused by a vaccine.

You mention the flu. You should also be aware that most flu deaths are in people with health issues- like the elderly. You are right that for most people, it is not that big of a deal. And I note that while you mention people dying from the flu, you don't say that the died from the vaccine.

I've seen first hand someone's arm becoming bright red, but it took 3 days.

That is the most common side effect from vaccines and over 90% of reported side effects- irritation at the vaccine site.

 

[Firestarter]

Vaccines are a solution for a problem that never existed. It's a product from a company. The same people that brought you Vioxx, bextra, avandia and 100's of other drugs. It's the only product in American History that you can't directly sue for damages.

I dispensed Vioxx, it had 5 years of "science" behind it. It was researched and tested more than ANY Vaccine. And it killed 50-100,000 people.

A little more on the history of vaccines...

Edward Jenner is the legendary “scientist”, who made “evidence” for the wonderful benefits of vaccination:

In 1796, Jenner enlisted a milkmaid named Sarah Nelmes and an eight-year old boy named James Phipps to test his theory. Jenner transferred pus from Nelmes’s cowpox blisters onto incisions he’d made in Phipps’s hands. The boy came down with a slight fever, but nothing more. Later, Jenner gave Phipps a standard smallpox inoculation – which should have resulted in a full-blown, albeit mild, case of the disease. Nothing happened. Jenner tried inoculating Phipps with smallpox once more; again, nothing.

In 1798 Jenner published his results, claiming lifelong protection against smallpox using “vaccines”. Some doctors of the time challenged this myth, because they had seen smallpox follow cowpox.
In 1799, Mr. Drake vaccinated some children with cowpox matter obtained from Edward Jenner. The children were then tested by being inoculated with smallpox; all of them developed smallpox. Jenner received the report but ignored the results.

Vaccination was quickly embraced by the medical quacks. By 1801, an estimated 100,000 people had already been vaccinated in England with the belief that it would produce lifelong protection.
Early reports indicated that there were cases of people who were vaccinated, and then developed cowpox, and some still died of smallpox.

In 1818 Thomas Brown, a surgeon with 30 years of experience in Scotland, published an article discussing his experience with vaccination. He stated that after vaccinating 1,200 people, he became disappointed. He saw that, after vaccination, people could still contract and even die from smallpox.

The supposed inventor of vaccines, Edward Jenner who bought his “Doctor” title for a mere 15 pounds, was a freemason (freemasonry is very “speculative”...). In reality Jenner wasn´t the first vaccine quack.
Dhanwantari, the earliest known Hindu physician, who lived about 1,500 BC, is reportedly the first to practice inoculation for smallpox.
Even if the Hindu medical malpractices aren’t vaccines, the farmer Benjamin Jesty, years before Jenner’s first inoculation, discovered cow-pox inoculation. After Jesty, came teacher Plett, and another farmer Jensen, who experimented with cow-pox vaccination before Jenner: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Vaccines%94&p=6471114&viewfull=1#post6471114

 

[Zeeder]

If you really are a pharmacist, you should be aware that anybody can file a VAERS report and that the are not verified as to having been actually caused by a vaccine.

You mention the flu. You should also be aware that most flu deaths are in people with health issues- like the elderly. You are right that for most people, it is not that big of a deal. And I note that while you mention people dying from the flu, you don't say that the died from the vaccine.



That is the most common side effect from vaccines and over 90% of reported side effects- irritation at the vaccine site.

Are you a bot? A team? Your response is like you didn't actually read the post, responded without comprehending it.

The purpose of saying a side effect happens 3 DAYS later, is that people fail to report to the VAERS because they don't associate what is happening to them, with the shot. BECAUSE it happened 3 days ago. If you have a fever and diarrhea 3 days later............you might not say "hey it was that flu shot" because you either forget OR you have been brainwashed by every commercial "The best way to prevent the flu is with the flu shot" which is an outright lie BTW.

It takes some people years to realize that they always feel Horrible after a flu shot. Once they do, they never get another. It takes the less intelligent people several years of this.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2015/f...njuries-and-deaths-compensated-by-government/

yes, some people do die from the flu vaccine. Or have severe side effects.

And as far as if I'm a pharmacist or not? Who cares? What good are these credentials? Or licensing? The only thing that matters is the truth. Actual information that translates into reality and in this case health.

FIRESTARTER:

Yes, in school we are taught about Jenner. All I could think when I took the immunization class was.............this guy used superstition surrounding milk maids, and mutilated some people. he's a HERO? What in the world is going on? Where is the science?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Are you a bot? A team? Your response is like you didn't actually read the post, responded without comprehending it.

The purpose of saying a side effect happens 3 DAYS later, is that people fail to report to the VAERS because they don't associate what is happening to them, with the shot. BECAUSE it happened 3 days ago. If you have a fever and diarrhea 3 days later............you might not say "hey it was that flu shot" because you either forget OR you have been brainwashed by every commercial "The best way to prevent the flu is with the flu shot" which is an outright lie BTW.

It takes some people years to realize that they always feel Horrible after a flu shot. Once they do, they never get another. It takes the less intelligent people several years of this.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2015/f...njuries-and-deaths-compensated-by-government/

yes, some people do die from the flu vaccine. Or have severe side effects.

And as far as if I'm a pharmacist or not? Who cares? What good are these credentials? Or licensing? The only thing that matters is the truth. Actual information that translates into reality and in this case health.

FIRESTARTER:

Yes, in school we are taught about Jenner. All I could think when I took the immunization class was.............this guy used superstition surrounding milk maids, and mutilated some people. he's a HERO? What in the world is going on? Where is the science?

Zippy is our local #1 troll for the status quo, he often fails to read what he responds to and even when he does he always insists that 2+2=5 because Big Brother says so.

 

[Swordsmyth]

As the global effort to eradicate polio gets tantalizing close to its goal, the program is running in to new challenges.
One of the biggest obstacles this year is the proliferation of so-called "vaccine-derived" polio outbreaks.
Conventional polio caused by the traditional form of the disease is now only occurring in two countries in the world — Afghanistan and Pakistan. The World Health Organization calls this form "wild" polio and there've been roughly 100 cases so far this year. This is a tiny number compared to the 350,000 cases that occurred globally before the Global Polio Eradication Initiative was launched in 1988.
But what's troubling now is that there are currently more kids being paralyzed by cases of vaccine-derived polio than by the original "wild" variety.
"We have seen a lot more countries impacted this year than last year," says Dr. John Vertefeuille, the head of polio eradication at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
There've been outbreaks this year in the Philippines, China, Myanmar, Pakistan and a half a dozen African countries.

More at: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...io-vaccine-may-be-preventing-the-end-of-polio