ABC News: Accused Colorado shooter appears "dazed" in court.

[thoughtomator]

Yep, Loughner was another "false flag" too, some here claimed.

No major event can occur without the tin-foil brigade jumping to strange conclusions from little-to-no evidence.

I'll take that one up. Loughner shows all the signs of having been programmed, as well. Lots of similarities between him and Holmes.

I really don't see the objection to at least considering the possibility. We know our government has this capability, both these individuals were in government hands and on drugs in the time leading up to their respective incidents, and most importantly, we know (thanks to Fast & Furious and other notorious government black ops) that there are people in the position to give such orders who clearly have no moral objections to any means to achieve an end - serial perpetrators who have paid no price of note for their crimes and have every reason to continue such activities.

IMO if you are not seriously considering this possibility then you are not being realistic. Take a look at how the US systematically destabilized South America; it is very plausible that we in America are being subjected to some of these same techniques, refined - just as the refinements of Iraq/Afghanistan war have been brought home int he form of militarized police and security state. Means, motive, and opportunity all exist for someone.

 

[hazek]

Riiiiiight

IMO if you are not seriously considering this possibility then you are not being realistic.

Realistic as in taking into account all the evidence witnessed by who knows how many first responders? Realistic as in taking into account all the victim testimonies? Realistic as in taking into account all the crazy people around the world that snap for no apparent reason?

You know what's realistic? Anything but believing your baseless delusions.

 

[jmdrake]

I think I remember the same kind of wild speculation back then how it's a false flag and bla bla bla.

Right. Because you've never postulated conspiracy theories....except Zeitgeist.

 

[jmdrake]

"Then why wear the gas mask?"

Maybe because he didn't want to breathe in all the tear gas?

If your plan is to get caught, why even use tear gas? And why leave the theater at all? Why not wait in the lobby?

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

If your plan is to get caught, why even use tear gas? And why leave the theater at all? Why not wait in the lobby?

Doubting the facts and asking meaningless questions won't get you anywhere. Bottom-line is the tear gas was used and the suspect was arrested outside the theater.

 

[Bruno]

Doubting the facts and asking meaningless questions won't get you anywhere. Bottom-line is the tear gas was used and the suspect was arrested outside the theater.

Ignoring the reasoning behind the facts, not trying to determine a motive, buying the government and media version of the account, and failing to ask questions, no matter how silly or meaningless they seem, will definitely get you nowhere.

 

[Revolution9]

I don't post much here about the Arizona shooting, but does anyone remember whether these same people were actually claiming that Jared Loughner may somehow be innocent? Or is this kind of thinking only specific to this case? Perhaps there's still people who think that Loughner may be innocent, or the government "programmed" him to do it. I suppose that the same loony conspiracy theories were floating around back then.

Jared was guilty. The secenario was not what it was painted as. They hit Judge Roll who was somehow involved in investigating Fast and Furious.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

According to the police they found a 100 round magazine inside of the theater.

OK.. So he took that off and put the 30 round magazine on it? Then abandoned it.. I wonder if any rounds were fired from it. The gasmask is still a huge anomaly.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

According to the police they found a 100 round magazine inside of the theater.

OK. Another anomaly cleared up..perhaps. If he changed the magazine was it fired from after or just abandoned. The gasmask is still a glaring anomaly that suggests another party involved that got away.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Do you seriously expect that from someone who thinks their invisible friend that they talk to is responsible for them being a live and for the whole universe existing?

What a glaring example of a kindergarten mindset. An invisible friend?? yer a hoot pal.

Rev9

 

[jmdrake]

Doubting the facts and asking meaningless questions won't get you anywhere. Bottom-line is the tear gas was used and the suspect was arrested outside the theater.

Where are you trying to go? A nice neat tidy package that doesn't require a trial? Sorry if critical thinking bothers your sensibilities. Yes the suspect was arrested outside the theater waiting in a car. A suspect who's face nobody saw.

 

[hazek]

There is a difference between critically analysing a situation, and creating scenarios out of nothing when the situation doesn't go along with your worldview.

Do you seriously expect that from someone who thinks their invisible friend that they talk to is responsible for them being a live and for the whole universe existing?

What a glaring example of a kindergarten mindset. An invisible friend?? yer a hoot pal.

Rev9

The interesting part is I never said I meant you and yet you felt the urge to respond as if you knew exactly who I meant. Why is that?

 

[AuH20]

Madsen is on Jones right now live. Should be interesting.

 

[Brett85]

I'll take that one up. Loughner shows all the signs of having been programmed, as well. Lots of similarities between him and Holmes.

Lol. I have to admit that I at least get a lot of amusement from reading all this stuff.

 

[Brett85]

If your plan is to get caught, why even use tear gas?

To kill more people before they have a chance to leave the theater.

 

[pcosmar]

Lol. I have to admit that I at least get a lot of amusement from reading all this stuff.

I'm not amused at all.
I have been observing since the 70s.

I suppose you believe that McVeigh was the Mastermind behind OKC.

I don't.

 

[jmdrake]

To kill more people before they have a chance to leave the theater.

And yet you leave the theater without killing everyone. It's not like with over 6,000 rounds of ammo that he ran out of bullets.

 

[AuH20]

Lol. I have to admit that I at least get a lot of amusement from reading all this stuff.

Loughner's close friend stated that Loughner experienced a radical transformation in demeanor in the period leading up to the shooting of Rolle and Giffords. This is established fact per an ABC news article. Something does not add up.

 

[Brett85]

And yet you leave the theater without killing everyone. It's not like with over 6,000 rounds of ammo that he ran out of bullets.

I think the guy was out of his mind and wasn't acting rationally and didn't know exactly what he wanted to do.

 

[jmdrake]

Loughner's close friend stated that Loughner experienced a radical transformation in demeanor in the period leading up to the shooting of Rolle and Giffords. This is established fact per an ABC news article. Something does not add up.

Thanks for the lead. http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...abrielle-giffords-jared-loughner-profile.html