ABC News: Accused Colorado shooter appears "dazed" in court.

[Brett85]

Loughner's close friend stated that Loughner experienced a radical transformation in demeanor in the period leading up to the shooting of Rolle and Giffords. This is established fact per an ABC news article. Something does not add up.

People experience mental illnesses all the time that cause them to change personalities and go crazy. But, I can remember watching the videos of Loughner walking around a college campus with a video camera, and he was just talking nonsense that nobody could understand. People who went to school with him thought he was creepy as well. He was just another deranged shooter, just like this Holmes guy.

 

[jmdrake]

I think the guy was out of his mind and wasn't acting rationally and didn't know exactly what he wanted to do.

Yes. We agree. Now the question is....why? And did the other person of interest (if he exists) have anything to do with Holmes state of mind?

 

[jmdrake]

People experience mental illnesses all the time that cause them to change personalities and go crazy. But, I can remember watching the videos of Loughner walking around a college campus with a video camera, and he was just talking nonsense that nobody could understand. People who went to school with him thought he was creepy as well. He was just another deranged shooter, just like this Holmes guy.

Did you read the article I linked on Loughner?

 

[AuH20]

People experience mental illnesses all the time that cause them to change personalities and go crazy. But, I can remember watching the videos of Loughner walking around a college campus with a video camera, and he was just talking nonsense that nobody could understand. People who went to school with him thought he was creepy as well. He was just another deranged shooter, just like this Holmes guy.

Sure, cases of undiagnosed schizophrenia, but such a dynamic change that would lead someone to elaborately kill both a federal judge and a democratic congresswoman??

 

[dannno]

Really? Even in this type of a case where there is no chance that someone else did it? And yes I agree he is due a trial, but it shouldn't take more then a day or two.

The person who may or may not have caused him to do this is more dangerous than he is. That is why.

 

[Revolution9]

Based purely on the state of his apartment (if that is accurate), we can narrow it down to him, or someone setting him up.

A stocky man in a green shirt went into the apartment with him..running.. at 7PM the night of the shooting. This guy needs to be found. He was involved and/or knew about the booby traps. Also i recall one of the eyewitnesses claiming the guy who went for the cellphone call was stocky.

Rev9

 

[Brett85]

Did you read the article I linked on Loughner?

No, I'll read it later.

 

[Brett85]

Sure, cases of undiagnosed schizophrenia, but such a dynamic change that would lead someone to elaborately kill both a federal judge and a democratic congresswoman??

It doesn't seem like he had a "dynamic change" when all the people he went to college with said that he acted weird and was extremely creepy.

 

[Brett85]

Yes. We agree. Now the question is....why? And did the other person of interest (if he exists) have anything to do with Holmes state of mind?

Perhaps the guy is just evil and psycho? And like I mentioned earlier, people develop mental illnesses all the time.

 

[Revolution9]

The interesting part is I never said I meant you and yet you felt the urge to respond as if you knew exactly who I meant. Why is that?

Because this is a thread and responses can be tabled for any post made in it by anybody logged in. You want restriction of readers and responders then use PM.

HTH
Rev9

 

[jmdrake]

Perhaps the guy is just evil and psycho? And like I mentioned earlier, people develop mental illnesses all the time.

Sure. That's possible. It's also possible that the "second person of interest" had something to do with either inducing or manipulating that state of mind.

 

[Weston White]

And yet you leave the theater without killing everyone. It's not like with over 6,000 rounds of ammo that he ran out of bullets.

You know that is another issue, why was so much ammunition, supposedly ordered by him? And is there any evidence as to how many magazines he purchased and what about speed-reloaders? I mean with that much ammo, you are going to need to be capable of loading swapping mags on the fly (e.g., you can't fire off a 100-mag and then say "Hey, hold up guys, I am calling a timeout, I need to reload my single large magazine..."), because at that point you have committed yourself to the action. Aside from that, from a purely statistical standpoint, no active shooter makes it past 20-something murders before either being taken out by police or committing suicide. Several thousand rounds of ammunition is vastly excessive and appears to serve another purpose, such as to rise an emotional, shock, response from the public.

 

[Revolution9]

No, I'll read it later.

Good. Please educate yourself about this subject in depth. We are not crazy. I am not being snarky. I truly wish you to be grounded in the backstory of mind control slaves. This is serious business and it needs to stop for Christ's sake. The more people that are aware the less chance they have of pulling off yet another and another and another op. I can provide links to Tim Rifat's interview if you want a pure scientific explanation of current capabilities from an insider on their research and developments in programming "wetware" as they moniker human beings they have turned into intel controlled zombies..

Rev9

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

You know that is another issue, why was so much ammunition, supposedly ordered by him? And is there any evidence as to how many magazines he purchased and what about speed-reloaders? I mean with that much ammo, you are going to need to be capable of loading swapping mags on the fly (e.g., you can fire off a 100-mag and then say "Hey, hold up guys, I am calling a timeout, I need to reload my single large magazine..."), because at that point you have committed yourself to the action. Aside from that, from a purely statistical standpoint, no active shooter makes it past 20-something murders before either being taken out by police or committing suicide.

As I understand it, the number one priority is officer safety. It seems the active shooters usually decide when things are over.

Several thousand rounds of ammunition is vastly excessive and appears to serve another purpose, such as to rise an emotional, shock, response from the public.

Yeah, well, the whole thing is fishy, but I'd say if there's another purpose, it is to track ammo sales, limit them, or ban them. Maybe ban large quantities, or online sales. It could also be their attempt to make him look like an amateur. "Hey, anyone can do it, and that's why we need to regulate X."

 

[Weston White]

Yep, Loughner was another "false flag" too, some here claimed.

No major event can occur without the tin-foil brigade jumping to strange conclusions from little-to-no evidence.

I have a question, do the lot of you, honestly believe that Joseph Stack flew that tiny Cessna plan in the IRS "Echelon" building and caused that mass of damage to it (that is after burning down his families home)? Keep in mind that the entire federal government and media had dropped that story faster than a hot potato and when speaking to "domestic terrorism", they only mention the likes of the "skivvies bomber" and even Major Hasan (who ironically was also a mental health professional, i.e., a psychologist), they wholly avoid mention of Joe Stack.

 

[phill4paul]

Yeah, well, the whole thing is fishy, but I'd say if there's another purpose, it is to track ammo sales, limit them, or ban them. Maybe ban large quantities, or online sales. It could also be their attempt to make him look like an amateur. "Hey, anyone can do it, and that's why we need to regulate X."

This is were I see this headed. There is stiff resistance against gun control. I think the next step by the gun control lobby would be ammo sales.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

You know that is another issue, why was so much ammunition, supposedly ordered by him? And is there any evidence as to how many magazines he purchased and what about speed-reloaders? I mean with that much ammo, you are going to need to be capable of loading swapping mags on the fly (e.g., you can fire off a 100-mag and then say "Hey, hold up guys, I am calling a timeout, I need to reload my single large magazine..."), because at that point you have committed yourself to the action.

Making a different post for a different point. I believe the official story is now that the drum magazine malfunctioned (and they are known for it) and the police transcripts say there were magazines on the floor of the theater. So the theory is probably that he just dropped the drum magazine and used regular ones, discarding them as he went. Of course, 6k rounds is still way too many.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

This is were I see this headed. There is stiff resistance against gun control. I think the next step by the gun control lobby would be ammo sales.

As I understand it, they've been trying to make it more expensive for quite some time now, and they've been successful at it. (inflation doesn't explain the rise in prices from 2006 to now) I can't remember how specifically.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

I have a question, do the lot of you, honestly believe that Joseph Stack flew that tiny Cessna plan in the IRS "Echelon" building and caused that mass of damage to it (that is after burning down his families home)? Keep in mind that the entire federal government and media had dropped that story faster than a hot potato and when speaking to "domestic terrorism", they only mention the likes of the "skivvies bomber" and even Major Hasan (who ironically was also a mental health professional, i.e., a psychologist), they wholly avoid mention of Joe Stack.

Interesting observation. I suspect they would only drum up anti-IRS sentiment simply by mentioning them. People cringe when they hear anything about the IRS. Regardless of the actual real life story, it's more likely they'd turn that guy into a folk hero if they kept him in the news.

 

[Weston White]

As I understand it, the number one priority is officer safety. It seems the active shooters usually decide when things are over.

Well that is why most all police departments are equipped with negotiators, throw-phones, SWAT, EOD, flash-bangs, OC-bombs, and armored vehicles.

Yeah, well, the whole thing is fishy, but I'd say if there's another purpose, it is to track ammo sales, limit them, or ban them. Maybe ban large quantities, or online sales. It could also be their attempt to make him look like an amateur. "Hey, anyone can do it, and that's why we need to regulate X."

Yes, it is also interesting to note that all of his tactical items, etc., were ordered over the Internet (e.g., [What is the shipping charge on 6,000 bullets?]), just when certain groups within Congress and the United Nations are seeking total legislative control of the Internet (further noting that there has been a recent influx of computer viruses being continuously distilled via the WWW).

This incident could of served a three-fold function: (1) to insight support for further clamping down our II Amendment through Hegelian ideology, (2) to implement legislative control over the Internet, and (3) to expand the mission, jurisdiction, and funding of DHS-TSA.