ABC News: Accused Colorado shooter appears "dazed" in court.

[squarepusher]

There is a difference between critically analysing a situation, and creating scenarios out of nothing when the situation doesn't go along with your worldview.

 

[phill4paul]

RonPaulForums, on some threads: "The U.S. federal government is way too incompetent to have a death penalty or control health care. They can never do anything right."

RonPaulForums, on other threads: "The U.S. federal government is the most brilliant mastermind ever; they orchestrated the perfect crime and cover-up of their very convoluted 9/11 plan and used mind-control to make some random college student shoot people to pass U.N. gun control. Darn their intelligence."

I don't believe that the same government that is too incompetent to run the post office is somehow competent enough to carry out all of these conspiracies. You guys sure seem to think the government is good at carrying out these operations.

The post office is inefficient. The prison industrial complex and the machinations for it's upkeep are quite efficient (the best in the WORLD). The T.S.A. is a bunch of automatons and are inefficient. The C.I.A. is quite efficient at undermining foreign governments.
See how that works? There can be efficiency within the greater realm of inefficiency. There can be forces within the larger inefficient government that work to their own end. Hoover was quite a capable man within the confines of an inefficient system. His dossiers on political figures garnered him great power.
So let's just let this debate of efficiency and inefficiency rest.

 

[Brett85]

There really is literally no legal expert who believes that this man isn't guilty of shooting these people. The only question left is whether Holmes can get off with the "not guilty by reason of insanity defense." There is a chance that could happen, which is what the purpose of the trial will be. The trial is going to happen to determine whether this man can get off with an insanity defense, not whether he actually did it. Whether he actually did it or not is not in dispute by anyone. The only thing left to decide is whether Holmes is completely insane and can get away with the insanity defense.

 

[hazek]

There is a difference between critically analysing a situation, and creating scenarios out of nothing when the situation doesn't go along with your worldview.

Do you seriously expect that from someone who thinks their invisible friend that they talk to is responsible for them being a live and for the whole universe existing?

 

[UtahApocalypse]

Gas Mask Theory:

I have listened to the police scanner audio of the entire event. Several officers when arriving on scene who were members of SWAT put on gas masks to enter the theater. Shortly after that Officers were loading victims into police cars since not enough ambulances were on scene yet. Could the Gas Mask down the sidewalk a ways have been dropped by an officer that went into the theater and carried out a victim then took it off to drive from the theater to the hospital? The police, and prosecutors have never said it was the suspects mask. The news just has shown pictures of it as if it is.


Drum Magazine:

Can anyone tell me if a drum and standard 30 round mag are interchangeable on a AR-15? If so it is possible that he switched after the gun jam.

 

[ghengis86]

Gas Mask Theory:

I have listened to the police scanner audio of the entire event. Several officers when arriving on scene who were members of SWAT put on gas masks to enter the theater. Shortly after that Officers were loading victims into police cars since not enough ambulances were on scene yet. Could the Gas Mask down the sidewalk a ways have been dropped by an officer that went into the theater and carried out a victim then took it off to drive from the theater to the hospital? The police, and prosecutors have never said it was the suspects mask. The news just has shown pictures of it as if it is.


Drum Magazine:

Can anyone tell me if a drum and standard 30 round mag are interchangeable on a AR-15? If so it is possible that he switched after the gun jam.

Yes, standard magazines and drum magazines are both designed to fit in the magazine well of an ar-15

 

[jmdrake]

I just don't see how you can possibly get a more clear cut murder case than this. I certainly can't think of one.

Then you shouldn't be on the jury.

 

[Brett85]

Then you shouldn't be on the jury.

Do you not understand that the only thing the jury is going to be deciding is whether or not this man is insane or not? They're going to use the "not guilty be reason of insanity defense," and it is possible that Holmes could get off on that. (But not likely) It is not in dispute whether Holmes actually shot these people or not. There is literally no one saying that Holmes didn't shoot these people. His defense team is not going to claim that Holmes didn't shoot these people. They are just going to say that he was clinically insane when he did it.

 

[jmdrake]

There is a difference between critically analysing a situation, and creating scenarios out of nothing when the situation doesn't go along with your worldview.

Coming up with possible alternative scenarios out of nothing is what every good defense attorney does at some point in his life. That's actually part of critical analysis.

 

[jmdrake]

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[Prophet Muhammad]

I saw receipts from July 2nd. There was almost full cover body gear and it wasn't very expensive. In the hundreds. There are Fusion Centers in all states to track these types of purchases. I guess our tax dollars have failed us yet again. But that damned gasmask is totally out of place and too far from the crimescene to have gotten there by Holmes and the AR 15 with the 30 round clip outside the door does not match the 100 round drum clip sporting AR 15 described at the shooters weapon. There is a four inch height discrepancy in the shooter and the guy who went to the theatre door for the cell call.

Rev9

You mean magazine, right?

Clips and magazines not the same thing.

 

[jmdrake]

Do you not understand that the only thing the jury is going to be deciding is whether or not this man is insane or not?

Really? You've talked to the defense team? You've reviewed all of the evidence and not simply gone off of speculation? I'm sure you thought the OJ case was going to just be the insanity defense too. What I understand (and you don't) is that this early on the defense team hasn't made any rash decisions based on what they've read in the media. They're smarter than that. They will go through a process called "discovery" where the prosecution isn't allowed to say "This is true because some unnamed source said so" and then come to their decision. I agree that an insanity defense is likely, but only a complete idiot would make some kind of absolute statement this early on. And even an insanity defense requires explaining why someone is insane. Could he be on drugs? Might one of those drugs be scopolamine? Was there anyone else involved? (Eyewitness testimony leads one to believe that's possible, even likely). What influence did the other person who might have been involved have on the shooter? This ain't the nice neat package you see on CSI. Turn off your TV.

 

[jmdrake]

Do you seriously expect that from someone who thinks their invisible friend that they talk to is responsible for them being a live and for the whole universe existing?

Right. Cause no matter what happens you've got to turn it to your obsessive hatred of religion. That's your "conspiracy theory".

 

[jmdrake]

This thread, full of "liberty-lovers", is the exact reason why anarchy could never work in reality. The Salem Witch Trials had less bloodthirsty people than you guys. Were YOU there? Did YOU see it happen? I want to see the evidence, and I hope the jury is impartial.

+rep. Until the evidence has actually been admitted its worthless for deciding guilt or innocence. As of now I think Holmes did the shooting. But I realize that's just a hunch based on reports from a media and a legal system that I know I can't trust. Do people realize that at this point there's not even a witness that actually saw anyone they can positively identify as Holmes do the shooting? The shooter had on a mask and the shooting was done in the dark with tear gas. Then Holmes is found sitting outside in a car. Why didn't he just drive off? "Oh" say those who want this to be neat and tidy "because he wanted to get caught." Then why wear the mask in the first place?

 

[Brett85]

"Then why wear the gas mask?"

Maybe because he didn't want to breathe in all the tear gas?

 

[Bruno]

Why can't we just ban the crazy conspiracy theorists from these forums and leave the normal Ron Paul supporters like myself, RonPaulFanInGA, erowe, and all the other regular Ron Paul supporters?

There is no such thing as a "normal" or "regular" Ron Paul supporter, and I mean that in the most positive way.

And "crazy conspirarcy theorists" have been proven correct time and time again, as exposed government coverups have shown. People conpsire daily to do things that are in their best interests, negatively affecting others. Stick your head in the sand and ignore conspiracy claims if you wish.

 

[Brett85]

I don't post much here about the Arizona shooting, but does anyone remember whether these same people were actually claiming that Jared Loughner may somehow be innocent? Or is this kind of thinking only specific to this case? Perhaps there's still people who think that Loughner may be innocent, or the government "programmed" him to do it. I suppose that the same loony conspiracy theories were floating around back then.

 

[hazek]

I don't post much here about the Arizona shooting, but does anyone remember whether these same people were actually claiming that Jared Loughner may somehow be innocent? Or is this kind of thinking only specific to this case? Perhaps there's still people who think that Loughner may be innocent, or the government "programmed" him to do it. I suppose that the same luny conspiracy theories were floating around back then.

I think I remember the same kind of wild speculation back then how it's a false flag and bla bla bla.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

the AR 15 with the 30 round clip outside the door does not match the 100 round drum clip sporting AR 15 described at the shooters weapon.

According to the police they found a 100 round magazine inside of the theater.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I think I remember the same kind of wild speculation back then how it's a false flag and bla bla bla.

Yep, Loughner was another "false flag" too, some here claimed.

No major event can occur without the tin-foil brigade jumping to strange conclusions from little-to-no evidence.