ABC News: Accused Colorado shooter appears "dazed" in court.

[jmdrake]

That's why people who are members of a jury aren't allowed to watch TV or read newspapers during the trial.

Problem is that for high profile cases like this junk "evidence" is laid out in the media before the trial. You've taken the position that everyone who isn't ready to make assumptions about the case based on anonymous government leaks and "AdultFriendFinder" posts must be a "crazy conspiracy theorist". Even the articles you were linking to had the decency to qualify their stories with "this hasn't been confirmed yet".

 

[low preference guy]

You and Rev9 are the ones who are constantly apologizing for a man who violently murdered at least 12 innocent human beings.

source?

 

[Brett85]

Problem is that for high profile cases like this junk "evidence" is laid out in the media before the trial. You've taken the position that everyone who isn't reading to make assumptions hook line and sinker about the case based on anonymous government leaks and "AdultFriendFinder" posts must be a "crazy conspiracy theorist". Even the articles you were linking to had the decency to qualify their stories with "this hasn't been confirmed yet".

I just don't see how you can possibly get a more clear cut murder case than this. I certainly can't think of one.

 

[JK/SEA]

i don't know that he did it, how come posters in here think he did?...the shooter was wearing a gas mask. Did someone witness him taking it off and throwing it 250 feet?

 

[Revolution9]

I'm the only one condemning the killer. You and Rev9 are the ones who are constantly apologizing for a man who violently murdered at least 12 innocent human beings.

I have apologized for no one. I am taking an innocent until I see it proven as guilty stance. That is the proper and civilized thing to do. You on the other hand ..It is your behavior and mindset that is noxious and inhuman.

Rev9

 

[Weston White]

Why can't we just ban the crazy conspiracy theorists from these forums and leave the normal Ron Paul supporters like myself, RonPaulFanInGA, erowe, and all the other regular Ron Paul supporters?

So sorry, for I fear you must have misread the sign posted out front concerning the parking of your high horse inside the barn whenever posting here.

 

[Revolution9]

I just don't see how you can possibly get a more clear cut murder case than this. I certainly can't think of one.

I can list dozens of proven beyond a shadow of a doubt cases. This is not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt due to anomalies in the evidence chain. When those anomalies are properly cleared up and not swept under the rug and point to him then at that point I deem him guilty. I would hope folks would do the same for me if I got caught up in something I couldn't handle.

Rev9

 

[Weston White]

Yep, and to be clear I never agreed with what jbauer said. I was having an argument the other day on Facebook with a "conservative" who said that Holmes should simply be declared a "domestic terrorist" and shouldn't have a right to have a trial. I defended the 6th amendment and said that Holmes deserves a trial, even though it's known that he did it. Even though he killed all these people, we have to give a trial to everyone and never violate the Constitution.

With that having been stated, it is just as important to retain the logical distinction between the objectives of an actual "terrorist" and a "lunatic", such are not auto-inclusive.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Based purely on the state of his apartment (if that is accurate), we can narrow it down to him, or someone setting him up.

 

[Mundane]

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[JK/SEA]

Anybody have a series of events theory?

I think at least 3 people involved.

Holmes in a drug induced stupor in a SWAT outfit sitting in his car.

Normally dressed man gets call to prop the door and leaves and waits on his motorcycle..

Real killer with gas mask does his thing and finally leaves out the same door to waiting crotch rocket..

as the killer is being wisked away he drops his gas mask in parking lot as a last second booboo...

Holmes is found wandering around by his car, and as a last minute lucid awakening tells cops about his apartment because he doesn't want anyone hurt...

The only fly in the ointment for me is how did he know it was booby trapped if he didn't do it?

 

[donnay]

Yep, and to be clear I never agreed with what jbauer said. I was having an argument the other day on Facebook with a "conservative" who said that Holmes should simply be declared a "domestic terrorist" and shouldn't have a right to have a trial. I defended the 6th amendment and said that Holmes deserves a trial, even though it's known that he did it. Even though he killed all these people, we have to give a trial to everyone and never violate the Constitution.

Is it really known, or is that what you have been told. It's interesting the witnesses reports do not corroborate with what the Chief of Police is saying or the media.

 

[Revolution9]

Anybody have a series of events theory?

I think at least 3 people involved.

Holmes in a drug induced stupor in a SWAT outfit sitting in his car.

Normally dressed man gets call to prop the door and leaves and waits on his motorcycle..

Real killer with gas mask does his thing and finally leaves out the same door to waiting crotch rocket..

as the killer is being wisked away he drops his gas mask in parking lot as a last second booboo...

Holmes is found wandering around by his car, and as a last minute lucid awakening tells cops about his apartment because he doesn't want anyone hurt...

The only fly in the ointment for me is how did he know it was booby trapped if he didn't do it?

If it was scopolamine or a strong hypnotic they could have done it in front of him with no action from him to stop them. Scopolamine would make him a zombie robot compliance machine. He would have enough cognition to inform the police of it but remember that he was believing he was in a movie. High doses of certain phenehtylamines will put you right down the rabbit hole as well and since they are legal chemistry and neuroscience grads and students capable dig into Shulgin's cookbook and try out the variations. Some of the experiences on erowid of the variants point to seriously vampiric forces being involved. A guy crawls into a closet and dies of fear from the presence as an example. Totally off the wall thinking but they could have told him they were the special effects crew setting up a scene if he was down the rabbit hole. He seemed to have conveyed the information in a monotonic emotional capacity.. The car had plates from Tennesee. He had never been there but came from San Diego. Who owned that car is another piece of the puzzle that should not go unaddressed as this proceeds.

Rev9

 

[Anti Federalist]

Because there is a long list of people that have served their time on death row only to be exonerated when new evidence has been presented. Christ, people are ready to kill this guy before he has even had a trial. Way to go liberty lovers.

+rep.

FFS...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sirhan Sirhan was convicted of killing Robert Kennedy.

He confessed, all kinds of witnesses claim to have seen him do it, he confessed for Christ's sake, (later recanted).

Now, more than 44 years later, there may be credible evidence emerging that he didn't do it.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/04/justice/california-rfk-second-gun/index.html?iref=obnetwork

I post stories all the time of people released from death row, supposedly the ne plus ultra of US jurisprudence, some of whom have confessed, who were later found to be totally innocent.

Things are almost never as simple as they appear, especially when something is as politically charged as this.

 

[JK/SEA]

I've been around heroin addicts, and by the way he was appearing to wanting to 'nod' off, and his facial and eye movements in court today raised my interest. He definetly was feeling some kind of drug, or coming down from one...or two...

 

[donnay]

Sirhan Sirhan was convicted of killing Robert Kennedy.

He confessed, all kinds of witnesses claim to have seen him do it, he confessed for Christ's sake, (later recanted).

Now, more than 44 years later, there may be credible evidence emerging that he didn't do it.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/04/justice/california-rfk-second-gun/index.html?iref=obnetwork

I post stories all the time of people released from death row, supposedly the ne plus ultra of US jurisprudence, some of whom have confessed, who were later found to be totally innocent.

Things are almost never as simple as they appear, especially when something is as politically charged as this.

Jerry: David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, Richard Speck...
Alice: What about them?
Jerry: Serial killers. Serial killers only have two names. You ever notice that? But lone gunmen assassins, they always have three names. John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman...
Alice: John Hinckley. He shot Reagan. He only has two names.
Jerry: Yeah, but he only just shot Reagan. Reagan didn't die. If Reagan had died, I'm pretty sure we probably would all know what John Hinckley's middle name was.
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[about lone gunmen having three names each]
Jerry: I just thought of another one: James Earl Ray, the guy who got Luther King. Then of course, there's Sirhan Sirhan. I still haven't figured that one out. Maybe it's Sirhan Sirhan Sirhan, I don't know.



James Egan Holmes

 

[ShaneEnochs]

This thread, full of "liberty-lovers", is the exact reason why anarchy could never work in reality. The Salem Witch Trials had less bloodthirsty people than you guys. Were YOU there? Did YOU see it happen? I want to see the evidence, and I hope the jury is impartial.

 

[anaconda]

The protective gear was all bought over the internet. But now here's where, regardless of your belief in Holmes guilt, your inquisitive mind should kick in. Remember Operation Fast and Furious? We know the federal government has been involved in gun smuggling. Many think this is part of an assault on the 2nd amendment. Now there's a shooter and some unnamed law enforcement official says that this was bought over 4 months, and you believe it without question because....? I mean don't you want to see receipts? Maybe some store surveillance footage?

I wish more people thought like this.

 

[anaconda]

Sirhan Sirhan was convicted of killing Robert Kennedy.

Now, more than 44 years later, there may be credible evidence emerging that he didn't do it.

Well for one thing they dug way more bullets out of the walls and other people at the Ambassador than could fit in the revolver chamber of the .22 allegedly confiscated from Sirhan (one must wonder why that information alone does not completely invalidate the official story). Plus RFK's mortal wound was from the rear and Sirhan was facing RFK the entire time until he was tackled. Plus LAPD "accidentally" destroyed all of the evidence. It goes on and on. That incident is as farcical as they come.