Write-In Vote? Ron Says NO

[Akus]

17 months? Look I am really trying to make sure my vote counts. Most people I know of have already switched parties to vote for Ron Paul or die. I want to stand by that and so do the people I have influence over. Now Ron Paul says writing in his name is a waste of time and he isn't endorsing anyone.

So the only thing that I can really defeat the establishment in THIS election is make sure the republicans are defeated. Maybe Obama is a forgone conclusion to win. I know in my precinct he is not going to win unless Obama surges here.

The way I see, the only choices I have are Principles in Foundation, Socialism, or Dictatorship. Principle has dropped out or splintered into several ideologically bent campaigns, Dictatorship offers Death, and Socialism offer Taxes.

I want to choose principle but then I'd be cutting off my nose to spite my face. I'm not ready to die. Taxes can only be stolen if I work for someone else or buy crap I don't need. So taxes. And I will make sure that I am not responsible for Death.

What I have learned is to vote my conscience and right now that is telling me to write in Dr. Paul's name. BUT, logic and Dr. Paul's words are forcing me to reconsider.

Thank you.

You made an asinine "lesser of the evil" arguement.
I told you that you've learnt nothing.
You replied and beautifully reinforced my point that, indeed, you've learned nothing from Ron Paul. You are like those 95 year old grannies, who hate McCain but will vote for him because at least he is not that black Muslim who will turn this entire country into Taliban....

 

[newbitech]

What kind of person needs endorsements to make a decision on voting? I don't know any so I'm going with a bot on this one. it seems like a lot of the activity on these forums are from bots.

a bot? why are you trying to insult and piss me off? what kind of jerk are you? I don't need an endorsement, but Dr. Paul basically unendorsed himself. What the hell am I supposed to do now when the only person I was 100% sure of voting for basically says, don't?

So glad all of you had a back up plan. My back up plan is a lot more realistic. Back up,back way the up.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

...So the only thing that I can really defeat the establishment in THIS election is make sure the republicans are defeated...

Wow, you still don't get it. By any chance, are you a spam bot?

 

[newbitech]

Thank you.

You made an asinine "lesser of the evil" arguement.
I told you that you've learnt nothing.
You replied and beautifully reinforced my point that, indeed, you've learned nothing from Ron Paul. You are like those 95 year old grannies, who hate McCain but will vote for him because at least he is not that black Muslim who will turn this entire country into Taliban....

you are thanking me? like I did some kind of favor. I am not asking for your acceptance. Get over yourself. I am explaining how I and the VAST majority of sheeple are thinking. if you don't get that you need to have people on your side, you will win nothing.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

a bot? why are you trying to insult and piss me off? what kind of jerk are you? I don't need an endorsement, but Dr. Paul basically unendorsed himself. What the hell am I supposed to do now when the only person I was 100% sure of voting for basically says, don't?

So glad all of you had a back up plan. My back up plan is a lot more realistic. Back up,back way the up.

I'm the punk? At least I have a spine and I'm steadfast in my beliefs. It looks to me that everyone here has shot your ridiculous statement down and you can't even defend it. Get lost, traitor.

Punk attitude? Maybe. But I know what I stand for and I know what this movement is about. You are counterproductive, so take your Obama jizzfest to the uneducated Obama forums.

 

[newbitech]

Wow, you still don't get it. By any chance, are you a spam bot?

no i think I get it. you are here for your personal entertainment.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Thats a big ole jump in conclusions. My vote is wasted because the alternatives are split. Face it, we are stuck with the same ole same ole. What difference does it make really?

This whole thing has turned in to a huge waste of my time. Politics is not going to solve our problems. It didn't solve the problems in 1776 (ask ben franklin) and it won't solve them now.

Ok, I just read this and I completely agree (Take back my statement on being a bot). So how could you, with this mentality, go vote for Obomination?

 

[newbitech]

I'm the punk? At least I have a spine and I'm steadfast in my beliefs. It looks to me that everyone here has shot your ridiculous statement down and you can't even defend it. Get lost, traitor.

Punk attitude? Maybe. But I know what I stand for and I know what this movement is about. You are counterproductive, so take your Obama jizzfest to the uneducated Obama forums.

yes you have a spine. you come on to the internet and try and start arguments and insult people looking for answers.

I can guarantee you that you would not speak that way to me if you know me. You act like a child. What does it say about these people trying to "shoot" down other people? And I think you missed something because several people in this thread have been very helpful. I think your personal attacks deserve some moderation. Btw are you sure you will be voting this time around?

 

[newbitech]

Ok, I just read this and I completely agree (Take back my statement on being a bot). So how could you, with this mentality, go vote for Obomination?

Thank you jeez the hostility around here is so thick. I don't see how I could persuade anyone to vote any different after reading some of these comments.

To answer your question? I am at a complete loss. I really hadn't given any thought at all to where my vote would go if it didn't go to Ron Paul. It just hit me like and hour ago or whenever this thread was posted that dang, I don't have any kind of back up plan.

Seriously I have been all in for Ron Paul through to my core, and the first thing that hits my mind when I think of Dr. Paul not winning is damn McCain CAN"T win. HE JUST CAN"T. I would sooner die than go through another 4 years of GOP dictatorship. So in my logical mind I am thinking the only way McCain can be defeated is if Obama takes all the vote of the people that feel like I do.

Maybe this and maybe that. We all know the reality is one of these guys IS GOING TO WIN THIS TIME. So which one? That might not make to much since in the long run, but for now, thats my reaction to Dr. Paul being completely out of in and discouraging writing his name in. Sorry if it rubs people wrong, but thats real.

 

[Imperial]

You may as well vote 3rd Party. Barr, Baldwin, or even another if you must. However, this is what it comes down to.

If you write-in Ron Paul, you feel good but did nothing. Kind of like Congress with most of their bills and resolutions.

If you vote McCain, you get a pretty open war-mongering policy. However, the economy will keep going like it has under Bush. Expect another boom to come, but a bigger bust, and the cycle will get worse and worse. There won't be any change really in the social policy either; more of the usual.

If you vote Obama, you will get huge spending. Expect the system to come under major strain at the end of his term(either first or second) with his spending.(The system rarely crashes anymore at the beginning of a term; it ebbs and flows with the elections). Some change in social policy, but more government regulation. The foreign policy will be more of the same, not as blunt as McCain but easily capable of pulling out a new Iraq.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

yes you have a spine. you come on to the internet and try and start arguments and insult people looking for answers.

I can guarantee you that you would not speak that way to me if you know me. You act like a child. What does it say about these people trying to "shoot" down other people? And I think you missed something because several people in this thread have been very helpful. I think your personal attacks deserve some moderation. Btw are you sure you will be voting this time around?

Personal attacks? I'm simply telling you to do some research and study before you go around making ridiculous statements about supporting a socialist. It boils my blood! How can you claim to be a patriot and freedom lover, then go and vote for someone like that? It's hypocritical. Why are you even trying to be a part of this movement, then? We are moving AWAY from big government and violations of our rights, yet you want to cast a vote for that. Am I the only one that sees it this way?

If "acting like a child" means calling you out on your hypocrisy than yes, I am acting like a child. I don't know about you, but I, as well as many people here, will be voting for a candidate that protects our liberties. A vote for Obama is a vote against that, and personally, I can't figure out how you Obama-lovers defect after you get tired of the good doctor. The two don't have anything in common.... AT ALL. What is it you saw in our message anyway? It couldn't have been much considering Obama is the polar opposite. He supports preemptive war, nation building, unconstitutional projects, expanded government, invasion of privacy, mandates, higher taxes, etc etc.

I mean this...where in the world do you get off? You're no part of this movement and you don't stand for any kind of freedom if you cast a vote for a candidate like that. You clearly didn't think this through because they aren't even close to similar....It's disgusting. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks. I'm sick of traitors and people defecting to Obama and weakening our cause. There is absolutely NO excuse for it. It cannot be rationalized or justified in any way, shape, and form so I don't know why you're bothering and why some people are buying it. This isn't about "voting for the other guy." It's about putting real constitutionalists in office and restoring our great nation to what the founding fathers envisioned. I'm sick, I'm fed up, and I'm not going to let people like you send my country further down the tube!

I challenge you all this upcoming election. Cast a vote with meaning. Vote for freedom, liberty, and our Constitution.

 

[rajibo]

Personal attacks? I'm simply telling you to do some research and study before you go around making ridiculous statements about supporting a socialist. It boils my blood! How can you claim to be a patriot and freedom lover, then go and vote for someone like that? It's hypocritical. Why are you even trying to be a part of this movement, then? We are moving AWAY from big government and violations of our rights, yet you want to cast a vote for that. Am I the only one that sees it this way?

If "acting like a child" means calling you out on your hypocrisy than yes, I am acting like a child. I don't know about you, but I, as well as many people here, will be voting for a candidate that protects our liberties. A vote for Obama is a vote against that, and personally, I can't figure out how you Obama-lovers defect after you get tired of the good doctor. The two don't have anything in common.... AT ALL. What is it you saw in our message anyway? It couldn't have been much considering Obama is the polar opposite. He supports preemptive war, nation building, unconstitutional projects, expanded government, invasion of privacy, mandates, higher taxes, etc etc.

I mean this...where in the world do you get off? You're no part of this movement and you don't stand for any kind of freedom if you cast a vote for a candidate like that. You clearly didn't think this through because they aren't even close to similar....It's disgusting. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks. I'm sick of traitors and people defecting to Obama and weakening our cause. There is absolutely NO excuse for it. It cannot be rationalized or justified in any way, shape, and form so I don't know why you're bothering and why some people are buying it. This isn't about "voting for the other guy." It's about putting real constitutionalists in office and restoring our great nation to what the founding fathers envisioned. I'm sick, I'm fed up, and I'm not going to let people like you send my country further down the tube!

I challenge you all this upcoming election. Cast a vote with meaning. Vote for freedom, liberty, and our Constitution.

It could be argued that a landslide victory for the Democrats would make it easier for our people to move into the Republican party. It would cause those who haven't woken up yet to ask "What went wrong?" and we'd be there to tell them.

That being said, I'm not going to vote for Obama.

 

[EastWindRain]

Personal attacks? I'm simply telling you to do some research and study before you go around making ridiculous statements about supporting a socialist. It boils my blood! How can you claim to be a patriot and freedom lover, then go and vote for someone like that? It's hypocritical. Why are you even trying to be a part of this movement, then? We are moving AWAY from big government and violations of our rights, yet you want to cast a vote for that. Am I the only one that sees it this way?

If "acting like a child" means calling you out on your hypocrisy than yes, I am acting like a child. I don't know about you, but I, as well as many people here, will be voting for a candidate that protects our liberties. A vote for Obama is a vote against that, and personally, I can't figure out how you Obama-lovers defect after you get tired of the good doctor. The two don't have anything in common.... AT ALL. What is it you saw in our message anyway? It couldn't have been much considering Obama is the polar opposite. He supports preemptive war, nation building, unconstitutional projects, expanded government, invasion of privacy, mandates, higher taxes, etc etc.

I mean this...where in the world do you get off? You're no part of this movement and you don't stand for any kind of freedom if you cast a vote for a candidate like that. You clearly didn't think this through because they aren't even close to similar....It's disgusting. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks. I'm sick of traitors and people defecting to Obama and weakening our cause. There is absolutely NO excuse for it. It cannot be rationalized or justified in any way, shape, and form so I don't know why you're bothering and why some people are buying it. This isn't about "voting for the other guy." It's about putting real constitutionalists in office and restoring our great nation to what the founding fathers envisioned. I'm sick, I'm fed up, and I'm not going to let people like you send my country further down the tube!

I challenge you all this upcoming election. Cast a vote with meaning. Vote for freedom, liberty, and our Constitution.

Out of the 5 major Candidates running for the President of the United States, you are describing Chuck Baldwin.

a. McCain (CFR)
b. Obama (CFR)
c. Bob Barr (not to be trusted)
d. Ralph Nader (fake)
e. Chuck Baldwin (Ron Paul Patriot type)

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Thank you jeez the hostility around here is so thick. I don't see how I could persuade anyone to vote any different after reading some of these comments.

To answer your question? I am at a complete loss. I really hadn't given any thought at all to where my vote would go if it didn't go to Ron Paul. It just hit me like and hour ago or whenever this thread was posted that dang, I don't have any kind of back up plan.

Seriously I have been all in for Ron Paul through to my core, and the first thing that hits my mind when I think of Dr. Paul not winning is damn McCain CAN"T win. HE JUST CAN"T. I would sooner die than go through another 4 years of GOP dictatorship. So in my logical mind I am thinking the only way McCain can be defeated is if Obama takes all the vote of the people that feel like I do.

Maybe this and maybe that. We all know the reality is one of these guys IS GOING TO WIN THIS TIME. So which one? That might not make to much since in the long run, but for now, thats my reaction to Dr. Paul being completely out of in and discouraging writing his name in. Sorry if it rubs people wrong, but thats real.

Did you honestly think Ron even had a chance? I didn't. I still voted for him though. Although you are talking to someone who gave up voting before Ron, he just made me so damn happy listening to him that I had to vote for the guy.

My only suggestion to you at this point is, vote for yourself, or for your parents or something.

 

[JS4Pat]

Bingo; if you vote for either Obama or McCain all it shows is that you are content with the system we are being offered by the elites.

BINGO...

How can a Ron Paul supporter fall for the "lesser of 2 evils scam"?

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Vote Barr or Baldwin.

A vote for McCain or Obama is a vote for the status quo.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Out of the 5 major Candidates running for the President of the United States, you are describing Chuck Baldwin.

a. McCain (CFR)
b. Obama (CFR)
c. Bob Barr (not to be trusted)
d. Ralph Nader (fake)
e. Chuck Baldwin (Ron Paul Patriot type)

I don't know why Nader is listed as fake...he's pretty genuine, but not exactly a freedom lover. Good guy, but his policies are wrong. He thinks excessive regulation and government involvement on things like health care are helpful. Nothing in the Constitution says the people should be regulated.... He's not fake, he's just not the right candidate for this movement in my opinion.

I think Chuck is great, but I also trust Barr. I believe he means what he says and I think he's fighting hard for liberty now. Ron recently expressed that he feels the same way as well, so I think I'm in good company of trusting him. All in all, it's a tough decision, but I'd swing towards Barr. I believe he's reformed, and Chuck needs to follow example. Malicious things like this article make me dislike Chuck a bit http://www.covenantnews.com/baldwin020423.htm

Just my 2 cents, but either Chuck or Barr are much, much closer to liberty than Obama is.

 

[Jeremy]

I've been trying to tell people this for so long... some people here just don't want to listen

 

[newbitech]

It could be argued that a landslide victory for the Democrats would make it easier for our people to move into the Republican party. It would cause those who haven't woken up yet to ask "What went wrong?" and we'd be there to tell them.

That being said, I'm not going to vote for Obama.

thank you. I said I am voting for Obama to deliver a blow to the GOP. As far as most "voters" are concerned, their are two teams. The Dems and the Repubs. From what I understand, Dr. Paul thinks the best way to bring about change is to do that by returning the Republican party back to its roots. Not through a 3rd party or independent party. These things fracture the movement.

The only way I know how to punish the repubs who treated our movement like crap is stay registered as a repub and vote for a dem. This is a slap in the face to those people in my town that wanted McCain. I am not suggesting that all Ron Paul supporters go and vote for Obama. I am just expressing my instinct. I could have wrote what the guy you are responding to wrote about 2 hours ago before i read what Ron Paul said about a write in.

Problem is, now I have no basis for saying stuff like that because no matter how I vote, I go against some part of what I have stood for politically for the last year.

I don't hate the guy for his opinion, I just hate how he would be so upset as to go off on me by calling me a traitor, hypocrite, etc etc.. I also don't blame him for being so pissed, but damn Ron Paul said we should not vote for him! WHAT THE HELL! MY WORLD HAS JUST BEEN TURNED COMPLETELY UP SIDE DOWN!

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Did you honestly think Ron even had a chance? I didn't. I still voted for him though. Although you are talking to someone who gave up voting before Ron, he just made me so damn happy listening to him that I had to vote for the guy.

My only suggestion to you at this point is, vote for yourself, or for your parents or something.

Or he should leave the movement and join the growing socialist one where he clearly belongs. Deep down, he's an Obama supporter. No true freedom loving American could ever consider voting for him...

Pat and Flipside, I agree. The "lesser of the two evils" theory is complete BS. I have an idea. Let's vote for a candidate that stands for something and coincides with our beliefs. I feel like I'd be compromising everything I stood for if I voted for a person like Obama.