Write-In Vote? Ron Says NO

[EastWindRain]

And the problem is that if the LP does good with impure candidates they will continue down the path of nominating candidates that do not follow the platform. Ultimately they will sell out all of their values and stances for political gain. Just like the neocons took over the R's, the will take over the L's.

I vote on principle, not party line.

This is exactly accurate! How do you think THEY (the Zionist NeoCons) captured the two main parties in the first place? With Politics you can't sell out. Once you start selling out and compromising votes for principles, you end up going down a slippery slope which leads to the destruction of the party and of the principles governing it. They only reason Ron Paul came as far as he did was PRINCIPLE. Don't sell out! In my opinion Bob Barr is not the man for the LP. Chuck Baldwin has the right set of principles, but he belongs to the wrong party, if the overall goal is to recapture and rebuild the Republican Party based on solid principles.

Here is an idea. As a movement we could all vote for Chuck Baldwin, if Ron Paul gave the nod, and get say 25% of the vote. (At least this way the movement would know its numbers) Then in 2012, (if there is an election) Chuck could possibly become the running mate (vice President) of a Ron Paul 2012 run. Then those who voted for Chuck on principle, would vote again for him and a Ron Paul combo deal? Just an idea.

 

[purplechoe]

Yes. We. Can...vote for another constitutionalist by supporting Congressman Paul's friend, Dr. Chuck Baldwin! More details about that can be found here.

DING, DING, DING! We have a winner! Unless Ron Paul is the republican nominee, I'll be voting for the constitution party this November.

 

[qh4dotcom]

We lost this election. There are NO GOOD CHOICES at this point.

We can either

1) not vote - a terrible choice- not voting isn't a "protest", its letting them run over you...
2) write in Ron Paul- Ron doesn't want us to do this, and in any case, your vote may not even have our vote counted
3) vote for Barr - I am not yet convinced that this guy is a reformed neocon
4) vote for Baldwin (utterly pointless other than as a futile protest vote- he probably won't even be on the ballot in many states)
5) vote for the "lesser evil" of the two guys still running. Yes, Obama and McCain BOTH SUCK- but to some of us, one may suck slightly less than the other. Since we have no chance of getting what we want at this point, it may behoove us to try and prevent that which we despise most. Hence, it is NOT unreasonable to vote for Obama to try and stop McCain (or vice versa- though I wouldn't vote for McCain if he was the last warmonger, er, candidate, on earth).

We LOST, folks. We aren't going to get what we want, so its up to each of us to decide which of the unpalatable choices above is best for us.

I may not decide until the last days before the election- but yeah, I might hold my nose and vote for Obama, or I might hold my nose and vote for Barr, or (insert crappy choice here).

The only thing I know for sure is that I will not choose "not voting", nor will I ever vote for old man McWar.

I would do what your username says....vote libertarian and give Bob the benefit of the doubt.

 

[qh4dotcom]

DING, DING, DING! We have a winner! Unless Ron Paul is the republican nominee, I'll be voting for the constitution party this November.

I would consider voting for Baldwin....if he gets ballot access in more states....like Huckabee, he is a pastor....religions and politics don't mix well...and I don't know what he says about the separation of church and state.

 

[EastWindRain]

We lost this election. There are NO GOOD CHOICES at this point.

We can either

1) not vote - a terrible choice- not voting isn't a "protest", its letting them run over you...
2) write in Ron Paul- Ron doesn't want us to do this, and in any case, your vote may not even have our vote counted
3) vote for Barr - I am not yet convinced that this guy is a reformed neocon
4) vote for Baldwin (utterly pointless other than as a futile protest vote- he probably won't even be on the ballot in many states)
5) vote for the "lesser evil" of the two guys still running. Yes, Obama and McCain BOTH SUCK- but to some of us, one may suck slightly less than the other. Since we have no chance of getting what we want at this point, it may behoove us to try and prevent that which we despise most. Hence, it is NOT unreasonable to vote for Obama to try and stop McCain (or vice versa- though I wouldn't vote for McCain if he was the last warmonger, er, candidate, on earth).

We LOST, folks. We aren't going to get what we want, so its up to each of us to decide which of the unpalatable choices above is best for us.

I may not decide until the last days before the election- but yeah, I might hold my nose and vote for Obama, or I might hold my nose and vote for Barr, or (insert crappy choice here).

The only thing I know for sure is that I will not choose "not voting", nor will I ever vote for old man McWar.

This is not a futile vote if we get to work now. Let's get him on the ballot in every state! All we need is a nod from Ron Paul. Chuck is the man to vote for based on Principle and he is Ron Paul's buddy.

The Ron Paul Revolution needs to now embrace and promote a Ron Paul candidate type named "Dr. Chuck Baldwin". Otherwise no ground will be gained. We still have 4.5 months before the election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07NSTzHnrUE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UItJAe_wWQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP3RsacOxC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkkV5_88WfE

 

[Fox McCloud]

This is truly sad, IMHO--seeing a split in Ron Paul supports like this...I hate to say it, but this could signal an end of the revolution, with only a few of us left helping out the "Campaign for Liberty".

Either way, I haven't fully decided yet, but it's either Baldwin or write-in Paul's name-I haven't fully decided yet.

It's a shame that the CP and LP (especially the LP) didn't unite under one banner for "one hour", so to speak, and not field any candidates against Paul, and instead attempt to get more in their ranks to vote for him in the primaries. I doubt it would have pushed us "over the top", but it probably would have given us at least double to triple the amount of delegates he currently has (around 35).

I could see the CP doing something like that, but the LP has had its head crammed up its own butt for quite a while now.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

DING, DING, DING! We have a winner! Unless Ron Paul is the republican nominee, I'll be voting for the constitution party this November.

I could argue that Chuck doesn't defend the Constitution by his hate speech against homosexual individuals. The point is Alex Jones is a nut-job so I really don't care if he likes Barr or not, and I believe Barr is reformed, he has been working for reform, and Ron even said he believes that Barr believes what he's saying. Either is a much better choice than the other candidates so I really think you're splitting hairs when you compare the two.

And libertarian4321, you are far from a Libertarian. You think voting for the lesser of two evils is the right way to go? It doesn't make sense to me. So you'd be voting for socialism....global intervention, preemptive war, excessive taxation, more government involvement in every aspect of our lives, and everything else Obama stands for? Why would you vote for those ideas? I thought most of us here were for less of all that? Why not cast your vote for someone closer to the ideals we have been working for?

It's like saying "I want the steak, but I'm going to get the deep fried chicken even though I don't like it and it's bad for me because the steak comes at a higher price"

A vote for Obama is a vote for giving up. A vote for Obama is a vote for socialism. He does not carry any of our ideals or anything close to them. You aren't voting for the lesser of two evils, you are voting for something completely different than what we worked so hard for, and in effect you are making it harder for those of us who are dedicated to reform. Vote in the right direction rather than giving any of those horrific parties ground. It just doesn't add up to me....why would anyone compromise their ideals.

I hate socialism, big government, mandates, taxes, invasion of privacy, violation of my rights, and being told how to live my life.....so why would I go and vote for Obama?!

And, before some of you jump on the Chuck bandwagon, you might want to look at his party platform aside from his credentials as a Paul supporter. The Constitution party is a little outrageous. I could give you just as many reasons to vote against Chuck as you guys have given against Barr. Both have their flaws, but I support a Libertarian platform over the Constitution party platform. The Constitution party platform basically preaches social policy, and I don't like that. I trust that a Libertarian would just leave me the heck alone.

 

[EastWindRain]

Don't forget that this is a war. We have to fight tooth and nail for every inch of ground. The goal has to be to keep the unit fighting in the same direction, so that it moves forward, little bit by little bit. Giving up and quiting is the worst thing to do, as the problem will not go away, in fact it will only increase. Eventually everyone is going to be forced to have to confront the problem.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Don't forget that this is a war. We have to fight tooth and nail for every inch of ground. The goal has to be to keep the unit fighting in the same direction, so that it moves forward, little bit by little bit. Giving up and quiting is the worst thing to do, as the problem will not go away, in fact it will only increase. Eventually everyone is going to be forced to have to confront the problem.

Amen. All the fair weather supporters are defecting to Obama and we are finding they never stood for liberty to begin with. They weren't willing to fight. This is only the beginning.

 

[nbhadja]

screw you man, there are only D's and R's on my ballot. I didnt "plan" on voting for anyone until I heard Dr. Paul speak. Now that I understand more politics, I can see how voting for Obama where I live might help our cause. I was going to write in Dr. Paul until I read this thread. I still might cause its all a throw away anyhow. Nothing is changing short of violent revolution for the next couple years anyways. Don't be a punk.

Man get a grip and do some research. Obama is just as bad as McCain.

I will not hesitate to use military force to take out terrorists who pose a direct threat to America.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...ory?coll=la-headlines-nation&track=crosspromo

As President, I would deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan to re-enforce our counter-terrorism operations .
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/01/obama_says_pakistan_must_act_against_taliban/

Obama stated that as President he would consider military action in Pakistan in order to attack al-Qaeda, even if the Pakistani government did not give approval.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6926663.stm

He was not in office to vote for the iraq war, but he voted to fund it for over 300 billion dollars.

Obama also will not guarantee a Iraqi troop pullout until at least 2013. http://action.richardsonforpresident.com/page/content/2013/obamarecord/

Sen. Barack Obama said Friday the use of military force should not be taken off the table when dealing with Iran, which he called a threat to all of us.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/281249,CST-NWS-OBAMA03.article

Senator Barack Obama yesterday defended his votes on behalf of funding the Iraq war, asserting that he has always made clear that he supports funding for US troops despite his consistent opposition to the war.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/22/obama_defends_votes_in_favor_of_iraq_funding/

 

[libertarian4321]

And libertarian4321, you are far from a Libertarian. You think voting for the lesser of two evils is the right way to go? It doesn't make sense to me. So you'd be voting for socialism....global intervention, preemptive war, excessive taxation, more government involvement in every aspect of our lives, and everything else Obama stands for? Why would you vote for those ideas? I thought most of us here were for less of all that? Why not cast your vote for someone closer to the ideals we have been working for?

If you had a higher level of reading comprehension, you'd note that I did NOT say I was going to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, not did I say I was voting for Obama (read it slowly this time- use your finger if it helps).

I said IF I decide to go the lesser of 2 evils route, given that either Obama or McCain will be President (sorry, folks, Barr, Baldwin, Nader, Ron Paul, etc are NOT going to be President), I would probably choose Obama- I'll even tell you the major reasons why. 1. Obama had the sense to oppose the idiotic Iraq war (as a soldier, thats a HUGE deal to me) 2. Obama is far more intelligent than McCain (this guy wasn't terribly bright at 22, and 50 years of rust isn't helping). 3. McCain seems far more even tempered than McCain- I don't want a hot-head leading the nation (even worse, a hot head who can't remember who he is fighting).

If there was a Libertarian in the race, I'd vote for him. I'm not convinced that there is a Libertarian running.

BTW, I've been a Libertarian for decades. I was probably running for office as a Libertarian and holding leadership positions in the Libertarian Party before you learned to tie your shoes (probably about 5 years ago from the tone of your post), so excuse me if I dismiss your snotty remarks as the worthless, junior...

 

[nbhadja]

And once youtube starts working again I will show you links of war monger Obama giving speeches to AIPAC about invading Pakistan and Iran.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

If you had a higher level of reading comprehension, you'd note that I did NOT say I was going to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, not did I say I was voting for Obama (read it slowly this time- use your finger if it helps).

I said IF I decide to go the lesser of 2 evils route, given that either Obama or McCain will be President (sorry, folks, Barr, Baldwin, Nader, Ron Paul, etc are NOT going to be President), I would probably choose Obama- I'll even tell you the major reasons why. 1. Obama had the sense to oppose the idiotic Iraq war (as a soldier, thats a HUGE deal to me) 2. Obama is far more intelligent than McCain (this guy wasn't terribly bright at 22, and 50 years of rust isn't helping). 3. McCain seems far more even tempered than McCain- I don't want a hot-head leading the nation (even worse, a hot head who can't remember who he is fighting).

BTW, I've been a Libertarian for decades. I was probably running for office as a Libertarian and holding leadership positions in the Libertarian Party before you learned to tie your shoes (probably about 5 years ago from the tone of your post), so excuse me if I dismiss your snotty remarks as the worthless, junior...

What are you talking about. You just beat around the bush, gave worthless reasons, and then said you'd vote for Obama. I don't care how long you've been around. No one with a spine or heart in this movement would vote for Obama. You can vote for who you think will be president. I will vote for someone who will protect our Constitution. Again, there is no way to justify voting for Obama. I would sooner vote a 2x4 into office. It could help the country more than that moron.

I suggest you read the post prior to yours, as the poster brought up some great points with evidence.

 

[Theocrat]

Do I Smell a Libertine in Our Midst?

I could argue that Chuck doesn't defend the Constitution by his hate speech against homosexual individuals. The point is Alex Jones is a nut-job so I really don't care if he likes Barr or not, and I believe Barr is reformed, he has been working for reform, and Ron even said he believes that Barr believes what he's saying. Either is a much better choice than the other candidates so I really think you're splitting hairs when you compare the two.

What "hate speech" did Dr. Baldwin project against homosexuals?

And, before some of you jump on the Chuck bandwagon, you might want to look at his party platform aside from his credentials as a Paul supporter. The Constitution party is a little outrageous. I could give you just as many reasons to vote against Chuck as you guys have given against Barr. Both have their flaws, but I support a Libertarian platform over the Constitution party platform. The Constitution party platform basically preaches social policy, and I don't like that. I trust that a Libertarian would just leave me the heck alone.

Like most Americans, you're confusing libertarianism with libertinism. The Constitution Party does not advocate a platform which allows men and women the freedom to act however they feel without any moral restraint, responsibility, or accountability, which is what libertinism essentially is. Our country was not founded on those principles, either.

 

[Carole]

If I do not write in Dr. Paul (which I think my state does not allow-nor count), then I may choose Baldwin.

My only reason to vote in this election now is to help bring down the Republican party as it stands. I want it to realize that it cannot force bad candidates and bad policies down the throats of good Americans. I could say the same for the Democratic party.

So that leaves me little choice , but to vote for anyone other than the two big government guys. It is not about winning the election this year, but about making a statement.

I wish everyone who disliked the two choices would vote for any candidate other than the two "presumptive" candidates.

 

[EastWindRain]

I would sooner vote a 2x4 into office. It could help the country more than that moron.

A 2x4 would definitely be a superior vote for it would do no more damage. But the NeoCon's will continue to destroy until the whole earth is under their complete control.

 

[libertarian4321]

What are you talking about. You just beat around the bush, gave worthless reasons, and then said you'd vote for Obama. I don't care how long you've been around. No one with a spine or heart in this movement would vote for Obama. You can vote for who you think will be president. I will vote for someone who will protect our Constitution. Again, there is no way to justify voting for Obama. I would sooner vote a 2x4 into office. It could help the country more than that moron.

I suggest you read the post prior to yours, as the poster brought up some great points with evidence.

Okay, I get it. You're trying to show us how the public education system has failed you.

If that was your intent, great job!

I'd read it to you and explain the meaning of the big words if I could, but I can't do that. You're going to have to read and comprehend without my help. Try it again. Use your index finger to help you as you sound out the words.

If you still don't understand, there is nothing more I can do...

 

[nbhadja]

A 2x4 would definitely be a superior vote for it would do no more damage. But the NeoCon's will continue to destroy until the whole earth is under their complete control.

Don't forget the Neoliberals cause 50% of the damage, the neocons the other 50%.

 

[EastWindRain]

What "hate speech" did Dr. Baldwin project against homosexuals?

Like most Americans, you're confusing libertarianism with libertinism. The Constitution Party does not advocate a platform which allows men and women the freedom to act however they feel without any moral restraint, responsibility, or accountability, which is what libertinism essentially is. Our country was not founded on those principles, either.

I agree.

 

[nbhadja]

If you had a higher level of reading comprehension, you'd note that I did NOT say I was going to vote for the lesser of 2 evils, not did I say I was voting for Obama (read it slowly this time- use your finger if it helps).

I said IF I decide to go the lesser of 2 evils route, given that either Obama or McCain will be President (sorry, folks, Barr, Baldwin, Nader, Ron Paul, etc are NOT going to be President), I would probably choose Obama- I'll even tell you the major reasons why. 1. Obama had the sense to oppose the idiotic Iraq war (as a soldier, thats a HUGE deal to me) 2. Obama is far more intelligent than McCain (this guy wasn't terribly bright at 22, and 50 years of rust isn't helping). 3. McCain seems far more even tempered than McCain- I don't want a hot-head leading the nation (even worse, a hot head who can't remember who he is fighting).

If there was a Libertarian in the race, I'd vote for him. I'm not convinced that there is a Libertarian running.

BTW, I've been a Libertarian for decades. I was probably running for office as a Libertarian and holding leadership positions in the Libertarian Party before you learned to tie your shoes (probably about 5 years ago from the tone of your post), so excuse me if I dismiss your snotty remarks as the worthless, junior...

1. Obama was not in office to vote for or against the war BUT he voted on multiple occasions to fund the Iraqi war for over 300 billion dollars!! He never once opposed the Iraqi war in anyway other than empty words.

2. How is he more intelligent? He is for a aggressive foreign policy, unbalanced budget, federal reserve, lobbyist controlled government, for less civil and economic freedom (voted for re-dis of patriot act) etc.

3. McCain is a hot head but it doesn't matter since him and Obama both vote for the same things. It makes no difference if you vote to invade a country while angry or calm.

McCain= failure
Obama= SAME EXACT THING