Win the older vote

[Ronulus]

You're not driving anyone away? Imagine you're 60, and interested in Dr. Paul. Now read this thread again, from that perspective, and see how long that hypothetical 60-year-old voter is going to hang around this forum and support the good doctor.

You're personally losing Dr. Paul votes.

You.

The guy in the mirror.

You know how I know?

I'm 60. I've been active in the freedom movement for 40 years. I've supported RP since the 80s and even before.

And I left here for almost 4 years after the last campaign because I got sick of little punks like you.

Thanks for sticking around. I fully agree with you. I am one of the younger guys and am glad to have vets around.

I never said I don't want old people to support Ron Paul, I appreciate your support and all of us do, but the truth is that old people in general have been very reluctant thus far to embrace Paul in high numbers. All I've been trying to do is to discuss the reasons why

You are not trying to discuss the reasons when you are calling people stupid and telling them they are wrong etc. There is a thing called civility. You need to get some.

I am an admin on another forum and your posts remind me of a user we have that just tries to disagree and argue with everyone he can. Calm down and don't be so abrasive.

 

[A. Havnes]

I am 53, make > 90k and have a college education...

I have supported RP since 2007. I watch FOX News... live in the town where Sean Hannity got his start... listened to him from his first day on the air...


RP's appeal to me began with the constitution, role of government & monetary issues. I had the "military industrial complex" mentality. When I attended our meet-up groups I noticed the variety of people attending. Old, young, "pro war", anti war, pro abortion, anti abortion, all types but could work together because the common issues.

I think, at least one way to reach people is not to try and force all the ides on people but find the common areas... The constitution, liberty freedom

most can rally around these. bring up the more controversial as they arise but dont be so pushy about things you don't agree on.

don't be "punks"

Advice taken. I'm typically pretty good about finding common ground, and I can explain myself away on Ron Paul's social conservative issues, but when it gets to foreign policy, I tend to get pushy. It's just that I know how alienating that is, and finding a way around it without sounding like I'm giving people a history lesson (which most people look at as being condensending) is frustrating. I think I'm getting better, but trying to sell Ron Paul's foreign policy as a 25 year-old is tough.

 

[Travlyr]

This propaganda is straight from the Sun Tzu on the Art of War "If his forces are united, separate them."

I'm not driving away anyone, demographic facts are demographic facts, the average Fox News viewer is 65 years old, read the link:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/fox-news-oldest-cable-audience-54230

Now, I don't watch Fox News or listen to their radio shows anymore except for random clips found on the Internet, but I know a lot of people who do. This is offensive to them and it will drive them away.

Too late, the older folks have already put themselves into submission to Fox News.

There is no need for that. We want them to learn from us. We have the resources to point them to information of truth.

I've read much of what Ron Paul has written and watched him for hours upon hours in video, so I am a No One But Paul guy.

But a lot of people are just starting their research, so I'm doing what he suggested lovers of freedom should do in his concluding remarks of Gold, Peace, and Prosperity,

Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity

I am working diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Dr. Paul says everyone who believes in freedom should be focused on that. Join us in that mission.

 

[Kevin Smyth]

MMMMmmm so now I am Spiderman... I see now...

Well lets take another look at this..

Are you falling for the Ron Paul propaganda? Do you feel like you have an imaginary friendship with him?

When someone bullies him do you feel like you are being bullied and you become angry at the character who is bullying him?

If you study how TV propaganda works it is effective in convincing people of the rightness or wrongness of an idea that the viewer has not previously thought about.

 

[EndTheFed]

A. Havnes...

As stated, I "had" the "military industrial complex" mentality and understood the ins and outs and reasons for this way of thinking.

It took years for me to re-consider some of these issues. After recessing I have come to the conclusion that personal freedom and liberty are much more important.

 

[EndTheFed]

If you study how TV propaganda works it is effective in convincing people of the rightness or wrongness of an idea that the viewer has not previously thought about.

This doesn't ONLY apply to television & radio... So therefore we should have NO education, No information ... I see

 

[Slobodan]

I think the Social Security entitlement is one point especially in Florida is where the elderly will have a problem with Ron Paul. the might hear the media say Ron Paul will discontinue SS. But in reality even if they don't discontinue it will be more and more worthless.

My grandmother get's Social Security every month in Serbia but it's worth 2 ounces of silver and what can she get for that? USA is not there yes, but with a few more wars and few more trillion printed we might get there. We need to articulate arguments like this so people understand what's at stake.

 

[SisCyn]

I'm going to be 57 next month. I listen to FOX news, too, and they make me mad as hell, make me want to DO something to prove them wrong.

My kids are both Air Force vets, college educated. I felt like I needed to get out a long pin and stick them in the butts to get them out to caucus.

There were a potential of 5 Iowa votes that I could get out, and out of that I managed 2, because my purple heart awarded, registered in Colorado for medical cannabis son-in-law and his brother decided to take off for Colorado on Monday and didn't make it back in time for the Tuesday evening vote, despite my constant harping on the importance of the caucus.

Out of the 5, one had to stay home with the grandchild we have in common, so that left 2.

No one seemed to think that just one more vote would make much of a difference. After seeing the 8 point spread between Romney and Santorum, I hope they realize now that yes, they were important.

Waiting for June to see if they'll have the responsibility to get out and vote then. Politics are a boring subject for a majority of the population. Sometimes it takes a bit of maturity, a bit of hindsight and experience to understand what's going on. Most people, young or old, don't understand it and don't care to. Not to mention that half of the population, young and old, are below average intelligence. But even those who I know are above average, still don't care!

 

[EndTheFed]

Kevin... Did you leave.. Hmmm guess it got too hot for you...

 

[EndTheFed]

Old farts: 1
Punks: 0

Just kidding just kidding!!

 

[A. Havnes]

A. Havnes...

As stated, I "had" the "military industrial complex" mentality and understood the ins and outs and reasons for this way of thinking.

It took years for me to re-consider some of these issues. After recessing I have come to the conclusion that personal freedom and liberty are much more important.

Sorry for my post. I wasn't implying you specifically. I was just relating my normal experiences with people and wondering how to get around the foreign policy issue without sounding like I think I know more than they do, which I most certainly do not. Any advice is appreciated.

 

[EndTheFed]

Sorry for my post. I wasn't implying you specifically. I was just relating my normal experiences with people and wondering how to get around the foreign policy issue without sounding like I think I know more than they do, which I most certainly do not. Any advice is appreciated.

No Problem did not take it bad,... thanks for your input...

 

[G-Wohl]

As a whipper-snapper, I have been advocating for years a much more civilized and cautious language utilization around here. By civilized, I mean: any policy-based disagreement should never be in the Grassroots section of these forums - ever. By cautious, I mean: no mentioning anywhere of ridiculous conspiracy theories, Alex Jones, anarchism, 9/11 "truth", etc.

These are public forums. Anybody with a computer can read them and post to them. I think the best way to fix this problem is to have the administrators set up a strict guideline where *any* controversial or opinion-based posts in the grassroots section of these forums lead to a single warning and then a ban from these sections. We can let the kiddies with their infowars and holocaust denying duke it out elsewhere.

The general demeanor and carelessness of many of RP's supporters is definitely causing us to remain at lower numbers among seniors. Too many of these people are too used to being in the fringes, and can't hit that switch in the back of their heads that would indicate that they can no longer discuss ridiculous and "off-the-wall" ideas like this, because we need to be ambassadors of Ron Paul's message - not our own individual messages. ANYTHING that Ron Paul does not explicitly agree with and advocate should not be discussed in this section of the forums!

 

[EndTheFed]

As a whipper-snapper, I have been advocating for years a much more civilized and cautious language utilization around here. By civilized, I mean: any policy-based disagreement should never be in the Grassroots section of these forums - ever. By cautious, I mean: no mentioning anywhere of ridiculous conspiracy theories, Alex Jones, anarchism, 9/11 "truth", etc.

These are public forums. Anybody with a computer can read them and post to them. I think the best way to fix this problem is to have the administrators set up a strict guideline where *any* controversial or opinion-based posts in the grassroots section of these forums lead to a single warning and then a ban from these sections. We can let the kiddies with their infowars and holocaust denying duke it out elsewhere.

The general demeanor and carelessness of many of RP's supporters is definitely causing us to remain at lower numbers among seniors. Too many of these people are too used to being in the fringes, and can't hit that switch in the back of their heads that would indicate that they can no longer discuss ridiculous and "off-the-wall" ideas like this, because we need to be ambassadors of Ron Paul's message - not our own individual messages. ANYTHING that Ron Paul does not explicitly agree with and advocate should not be discussed in this section of the forums!

Are you saying this thread should not be here? I agree with you on the conspiracy stuff (although I do have some question on these thing) but a discussion about civility does belong... people here (supporters) should defiantly be challenged and hopefully see the result of their ways... Also outsiders should see that there is some sanity within the ranks...

 

[socal]

As a whipper-snapper, I have been advocating for years a much more civilized and cautious language utilization around here. By civilized, I mean: any policy-based disagreement should never be in the Grassroots section of these forums - ever. By cautious, I mean: no mentioning anywhere of ridiculous conspiracy theories, Alex Jones, anarchism, 9/11 "truth", etc.

These are public forums. Anybody with a computer can read them and post to them. I think the best way to fix this problem is to have the administrators set up a strict guideline where *any* controversial or opinion-based posts in the grassroots section of these forums lead to a single warning and then a ban from these sections. We can let the kiddies with their infowars and holocaust denying duke it out elsewhere.

The general demeanor and carelessness of many of RP's supporters is definitely causing us to remain at lower numbers among seniors. Too many of these people are too used to being in the fringes, and can't hit that switch in the back of their heads that would indicate that they can no longer discuss ridiculous and "off-the-wall" ideas like this, because we need to be ambassadors of Ron Paul's message - not our own individual messages. ANYTHING that Ron Paul does not explicitly agree with and advocate should not be discussed in this section of the forums!

Ron Paul has been interviewed by Alex Jones at least a dozen times. So according to you are we allowed to discuss or post those interviews?

 

[Narmical]

People gather information from many sources... Fox news is one... Again you make assumptions... Ass of you and me... you know?
Just because he started his talk show career here doesnt mean i agree with every word he says.
I disagree with hannity on many things... disagree with limbaugh on many things really disagree with levin... that doesn't mean i should not listen to them.

Thank you for calling me stupid.... you are proving my point...

MMM i think sellout scumbag is really going to win him over... keep it up... hell you might end up as famous and the snowball throwers...

FYI '...' != ','

 

[EndTheFed]

FYI '...' != ','

Huh? I'm OLD!!!! don't understand... hehe

 

[Dr.3D]

Huh? I'm OLD!!!! don't understand... hehe

I'm older than you are but have programmed computers since 1972. Often people try to equate != with <> what a programmer would write in a comparative statement. "is not equal"

 

[Kuthreck]

Old People = Sheeple

They are stuck in their ways and any REAL Change Scares them to Death.

Damn do I sound like a collectivist Pig but that has been my reactions when speaking with older people about Ron Paul.

 

[Dr.3D]

Old People = Sheeple

They are stuck in their ways and any REAL Change Scares them to Death.

Damn do I sound like a collectivist Pig but that has been my reactions when speaking with older people about Ron Paul.

I'm older than 50 so why am I here?