Why men earn more (the real version)

[LibertyEagle]

Must be a J00 woman...

This is why we can't have nice things. Now we're talking about Zionists and Jews and pieces of crap.

Guys, now I realize you were kidding, but look at how this comes off. Dr. Paul has a number of Jewish supporters. Do you think he'd be proud of the way we are conducting ourselves here?

If you don't mean to insult all Jews, maybe you should be more specific in the future. Otherwise, you are insulting other forum members, which is against the forum guidelines. Not to mention the following:

+ Promoting agendas alternate to the platform of Dr. Paul will have allowances for established members. Controversial topics should focus on facts whenever possible.

+ No promoting of campaign tactics or other activity that grossly counter the morals or ethics of Dr. Paul.

I was replying to KLUDGE who made the correlation between what happens when you bring up women or jews.

And you PROVED my point. That as soon as anyone even mentions the word JEW someone like you will jump in claiming ANTI SEMETISM and hurling insults.

Well done, well done.

But, YOU DID insult all Jews. And he proved nothing besides calling you on your actions.

 

[LATruth]

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[LATruth]

Guys, now I realize you were kidding, but look at how this comes off. Dr. Paul has a number of Jewish supporters.

I'm sorry if I offended. That was definitely wrong, although funny at the time. (to me) It was clearly a flame and offered zero relevant information regarding the topic. Something I usually flame for I did myself.

Yeah, I noticed and admit it was kinda dumb.

 

[Sandman33]

But, YOU DID insult all Jews. And he proved nothing besides calling you on your actions.

I said that when you speak the truth about Jews and women they take it as an insult.

I thought it was obvious by the nature of the recent threads that once you speak out about what womens lib has created you get flamed by women.

And once you bring up Zionism you get blasted by Jews.

Thats the truth.

I never meant to insult ALL women nor all Jews.

 

[Spider-Man]

I was just kidding, ladies, you know I love you.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I said that when you speak the truth about Jews and women they take it as an insult.

When you say "Jews", you are addressing ALL Jews. Is that what you intend? Because you seem to indicate otherwise.

I thought it was obvious by the nature of the recent threads that once you speak out about what womens lib has created you get flamed by women.

Please don't expect people to read a bunch of threads to figure out what you mean.

And once you bring up Zionism you get blasted by Jews.

There you go again. It reminds me of some of the threads where people talked about Christians and flamed them because of the actions of a few. If you don't intend to offend all people of that faith, you might want to be a bit more specific when you're slamming people.

Thats the truth.

I never meant to insult ALL women nor all Jews.

I didn't think you did, which is why I posted. I just wanted to point out to you how it was coming across.

 

[jsu718]

People who think men earn more (or should) (or have inherent reason to) aren't intelligent enough to start threads.

 

[Sandman33]

People who think men earn more (or should) (or have inherent reason to) aren't intelligent enough to start threads.

Why don't you attempt to prove the O.P. wrong instead of insulting his intelligence? And don't use the exceptions.

 

[jsu718]

Why don't you attempt to prove the O.P. wrong instead of insulting his intelligence? And don't use the exceptions.

Already have... unless you want to say that 98 cents on the dollar is a "gap". If anything, if any of the claims were true, the case would be that men get paid less for their increased productivity.

For anyone that wants to claim men are smarter than women rather than just different (or better in different areas) then they need to catch up on about 40 years of scientific research.

 

[Sandman33]

Already have... unless you want to say that 98 cents on the dollar is a "gap". If anything, if any of the claims were true, the case would be that men get paid less for their increased productivity.

For anyone that wants to claim men are smarter than women rather than just different (or better in different areas) then they need to catch up on about 40 years of scientific research.

I'll give you that men dominate the engineering and science fields because more men seek them than women...not necessarily that men are better.

But explain the fact that women have different leagues in Chess.

 

[jsu718]

I'll give you that men dominate the engineering and science fields because more men seek them than women...not necessarily that men are better.

But explain the fact that women have different leagues in Chess.

There are women that play chess very well. Men typically have a greater spatial ability that gives them a natural advantage.

 

[TGGRV]

I'm part Jewish and I like Ron Paul and don't find him an anti-semite, but some of the people here are crossing the line.

Men earn more because they have to buy me drinks when I go out. That's about it.

 

[Brassmouth]

Collectivism FTL.

To whoever said that men behave like women due to fluctuations of testosterone, I'd challenge that person to run a controlled experiment to validate that claim.

I do not experience nonsensical emotional fluctuations on a daily basis. Sometimes not even on a weekly basis. Using my girlfriend as a point of reference, I'd say your claim is baseless.

The average man is much more emotionally stable than the average woman, in my experience.

For instance, the other day I took a calculus final. The test was difficult. The girl sitting next to me began to sob and cry. She left the room and the male professor followed to console her. The professor then helped her out with a few problems. I have never seen a male behave like this, nor do I ever expect to. It was disgusting.

 

[Nirvikalpa]

Collectivism FTL.

To whoever said that men behave like women due to fluctuations of testosterone, I'd challenge that person to run a controlled experiment to validate that claim.

I do not experience nonsensical emotional fluctuations on a daily basis. Sometimes not even on a weekly basis. Using my girlfriend as a point of reference, I'd say your claim is baseless.

The average man is much more emotionally stable than the average woman, in my experience.

For instance, the other day I took a calculus final. The test was difficult. The girl sitting next to me began to sob and cry. She left the room and the male professor followed to console her. The professor then helped her out with a few problems. I have never seen a male behave like this, nor do I ever expect to. It was disgusting.

For the record, I never claimed men behave like women, I said due to their hormones men could. Run a controlled experiment? I've been around men all my life; they get moody, they get depressed, they bitch and moan, they get tired, they get low stamina. I've seen men flip-out more than women on occasions, and get angry and bitter.

The reason it appears men are more emotionally stable is because that is how you are 'supposed to be - stoic and strong, whereas women are supposed to feel the need to cry and show their emotions a lot more. Once again, from a biological perspective, moods are altered by levels of certain hormones and the inhibitors of others.

Andropause is becoming a lot more popular, and researchers are just beginning to think and research whether testosterone levels significantly drop off after a certain age or period of time.

I'm not really going to get into it, as I have better things to do since you are already basing women on the identity of your girlfriend and one girl in class, but if you did a blood test throughout the day, your testosterone levels would fluctuate. They fluctuate daily, and seasonally. They fluctuate when you do exercises and strength-train. Even though you may not show the signs and symptoms and exhibit them (testosterone is the 'rough' hormone, aggressiveness, risky behavior, changes in diet [food cravings]) it does not mean your brain is not processing the change. You probably do experience the symptoms, you just make no note of it.

And no, there are tons of other hormones that help regulate the body and emotional responses: oxytocin, prolactin, dopamine, luteinizing, follicle-stimulating, cortisol, adrenaline...

 

[PaulaGem]

Collectivism FTL.

To whoever said that men behave like women due to fluctuations of testosterone, I'd challenge that person to run a controlled experiment to validate that claim.

I do not experience nonsensical emotional fluctuations on a daily basis. Sometimes not even on a weekly basis. Using my girlfriend as a point of reference, I'd say your claim is baseless.

The average man is much more emotionally stable than the average woman, in my experience.

For instance, the other day I took a calculus final. The test was difficult. The girl sitting next to me began to sob and cry. She left the room and the male professor followed to console her. The professor then helped her out with a few problems. I have never seen a male behave like this, nor do I ever expect to. It was disgusting.

So you think the prof's behavior wasn't hormone driven? LOL!

 

[MelissaWV]

Collectivism FTL.

To whoever said that men behave like women due to fluctuations of testosterone, I'd challenge that person to run a controlled experiment to validate that claim.

I do not experience nonsensical emotional fluctuations on a daily basis. Sometimes not even on a weekly basis. Using my girlfriend as a point of reference, I'd say your claim is baseless.

"Testosterone, sometimes erroneously called the male hormone (women’s bodies make it, too) affects much more than a man’s sex drive, hair pattern, and prostate. It helps build muscle and metabolize fat. It strengthens bone. It can also boost energy and mood, and may play a role in memory."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Not_enough_test_in_testosterone.htm

If you do a quick search, you will find that testosterone levels do play a part in mood, aggression, sexuality, and any number of other things. Some men do have great big moodswings. Personally, I notice it more in guys who just broke up or otherwise are ... "getting laid" ... less often. Yes, your hormones do help dictate just how sexually frustrated you are when the fun stuff stops abruptly. Your male professor followed a girl outside and then did some of her problems for her? He must have a huge heart. Of course, it doesn't occur to you that she might be unemotionally calculating the probability that he'll help her out if she just weeps a little. It seems like she found an easy way of getting help on a difficult test. Immoral? Sure. But your professor might also just be following a swaying piece of college tushie out into the hallway. There's no way to know all the pieces in that puzzle.

So, far from being "baseless," the claim that fluxuations in hormones do not confine themselves to women is quite scientific in nature. What percentage of the male population experiences enough of a swing to make them grumpy, growling monsters? Who knows, really... though it's the same with women. Not all women are emotional nutjobs. Not all women get PMS. Not all women get the "M" to even have PMS

And lest we forget, there is a minority of men out there which tends to blow up at females and kill/maim/rape. I could go on and on about this from an anecdotal standpoint. Perhaps it's only because men, on average, are more prone to be physically stronger than the women they associate with... but there are fewer men than women ending up severely injured in those sorts of domestic encounters. Historically, it's men that are thought of as "flying into rages" but women are thought of as "the irrational sex"... I think in general it's just a complex mishmash of finger-pointing.

 

[Brassmouth]

I'm not really going to get into it, as I have better things to do since you are already basing women on the identity of your girlfriend and one girl in class, but if you did a blood test throughout the day, your testosterone levels would fluctuate. They fluctuate daily, and seasonally. They fluctuate when you do exercises and strength-train. Even though you may not show the signs and symptoms and exhibit them (testosterone is the 'rough' hormone, aggressiveness, risky behavior, changes in diet [food cravings]) it does not mean your brain is not processing the change. You probably do experience the symptoms, you just make no note of it.

You are obviously more knowledgeable than me on this subject, but do take notice that I did specify my experiences were simply that: my experiences. That said, I will maintain that I do not notice any emotional fluctuations in myself or my male friends to an extent close to that of my female friends.

So you think the prof's behavior wasn't hormone driven? LOL!

I never said that. He gave her preferential treatment throughout the entire semester. However, that in no way validates her pathetic behavior. I don't recall ever encountering anything like that in high school, so you can imagine my disgust when I saw it in a college classroom.

Your male professor followed a girl outside and then did some of her problems for her? He must have a huge heart.

I doubt it.

Of course, it doesn't occur to you that she might be unemotionally calculating the probability that he'll help her out if she just weeps a little. It seems like she found an easy way of getting help on a difficult test. Immoral? Sure. But your professor might also just be following a swaying piece of college tushie out into the hallway. There's no way to know all the pieces in that puzzle.

While certainly possibly in theory, this girl was not nearly bright enough to come up with such a plan, based on my limited dealings with her. And if this is something that many mentally "sound" females do (which I doubt), then that warrants a discussion of its own. Surely that would be the pinnacle of immorality.

And lest we forget, there is a minority of men out there which tends to blow up at females and kill/maim/rape. I could go on and on about this from an anecdotal standpoint. Perhaps it's only because men, on average, are more prone to be physically stronger than the women they associate with... but there are fewer men than women ending up severely injured in those sorts of domestic encounters. Historically, it's men that are thought of as "flying into rages" but women are thought of as "the irrational sex"... I think in general it's just a complex mishmash of finger-pointing.

And a minority of women also engage in such activities, along with a whole host of other despicable things, such as psychological torture directed at children and coworkers, etc. Acts which I would argue are far worse than any physical violence, and are far less commonly committed by men.

It was not my intention to elicit any negativity. I am simply relaying my experiences. I am not making any value-judgements. My belief that woman tend to be more emotional than men on aggragate does not imply anything.

 

[Sandman33]

"Testosterone, sometimes erroneously called the male hormone (women’s bodies make it, too) affects much more than a man’s sex drive, hair pattern, and prostate. It helps build muscle and metabolize fat. It strengthens bone. It can also boost energy and mood, and may play a role in memory."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Not_enough_test_in_testosterone.htm

So basicly testosterone is pure awesome.....

 

[TurtleBurger]

The "individualism vs collectivism" thing is applicable to how you treat people, not how you analyze them. Analyzing people, animals, objects according to natural classifications is a key component to critical thinking; its not collectivism. When I say that I believe in individualism, I mean the law should treat people equally whether they are male, female, black, white, gay, or straight; I certainly don't mean that discussing observable differences between these classifications is taboo.

 

[Natalie]

For doing the exact same job, women actually make like 98 cents for every dollar a man makes. The reason men make more over the course of their lifetime, is because on average, women take 10 years off their careers to raise kids. This gives men more time to get promotions and build their resume. Plus men tend to take on harder jobs. Working outside in the heat or snow doing construction or something pays more than being a secretary. Most women don't even want to do this "man's work" anyway. I'd much rather take lower pay and sit at a comfy desk answering the phone, than lift heavy things and do stuff involving tools.