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Why men earn more (the real version)
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What Exactly Are You Trying to Prove?
Your statements above are uncalled for, if you're not going to qualify them. It's not necessarily the premises themselves which I take issue with, but the attitude in which you have laid them out as a case for why men earn more than women.
Perhaps if you had given just a tad bit more time in thinking out your argument cogently and respectfully than just presenting your statements in a "shock and awe" sort of way, then maybe your case would be more readily understood, especially by the women who frequent this board.
How in any way do you expect your premises to support your conclusion that men earn more than women? Please respect the ladies, and show some respect for yourself when you present viewpoints which may give the impression of degrading one set of people in relation to another. As a man, all I take from your post is that men earn more than women because men are better than women. Surely, you do not mean that.
Your statements above are uncalled for, if you're not going to qualify them. It's not necessarily the premises themselves which I take issue with, but the attitude in which you have laid them out as a case for why men earn more than women.
Perhaps if you had given just a tad bit more time in thinking out your argument cogently and respectfully than just presenting your statements in a "shock and awe" sort of way, then maybe your case would be more readily understood, especially by the women who frequent this board.
How in any way do you expect your premises to support your conclusion that men earn more than women? Please respect the ladies, and show some respect for yourself when you present viewpoints which may give the impression of degrading one set of people in relation to another. As a man, all I take from your post is that men earn more than women because men are better than women. Surely, you do not mean that.
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Not necessarily. Ever see the pincushions who work behind a desk all day? You can be sure some of them have never set foot in a gym.
Meh. Sometimes. I've seen some idiot men.
Maybe. Your post certainly isn't very logical. Most of the forum readers here are men, do we have logical discussions?
Yeah, when they're drunk.
Not necessarily. Arguable.
Straight men maybe. Give me an office full of gay male employees and watch the fireworks light up.
Also arguable.
Kind of. We have varying levels of testosterone. Lower test levels cause irritability and depression.
Ever see Junior?
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How Quentin Tarantino of you! I must admit, I do it too. It shows sometimes because I'll make a comment that has already been beat to death in a 30 page thread. but who wants to read 30 pages when the douchebag you want to flame made the last comment?
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Not necessarily. Ever see the pincushions who work behind a desk all day? You can be sure some of them have never set foot in a gym.
Meh. Sometimes. I've seen some idiot men.
Maybe. Your post certainly isn't very logical. Most of the forum readers here are men, do we have logical discussions?
Yeah, when they're drunk.
Not necessarily. Arguable.
Straight men maybe. Give me an office full of gay male employees and watch the fireworks light up.
Also arguable.
Kind of. We have varying levels of testosterone. Lower test levels cause irritability and depression.
Ever see Junior?
IN GENERAL IN GENERAL IN GENERAL.
You can't validate a subject by using the exception to the rule.
Spiderman may not have been all rosy about his statement....but I'm not going to demand that he does. I'm a big boy, I can take it, and so can the intelligent women here.
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For the record... None of the quantitative things even apply to me, while the qualitative arguably don't, either. I used to pick up and move a 230 pound man for affection, and I'm the one in the office that has to change the water cooler jug (apparently none of the big strong men can do it...). No I don't look like a big muscular freak, either, since I know that's going to come up
I have an IQ of 141. That's not going to break records, nor is "IQ" the end-all be-all of intelligence measuring, but it's a thought. I'm certainly less of a dolt than a portion of the male population. There is another portion that's above me. The proportion is such that I disqualify the original assumption. Men in general are more logical?
It might be that some of the most logical people in our recorded history are, in fact, men. How, precisely, are we measuring this? Is it the ability to organize and rationalize? One would need to come up with a standard, first, before showing this to be true. One would also need to discount the fact that men have been involved in scientific and mathamatical pursuits far longer than women, an in a broader cross-section of society. One would also need to assign some sort of "logic score" to the ability to run a household, if that's "all" the woman does. Difficult, isn't it!
Men are bolder? Since we are discussing the workplace, it should be no surprise that some bosses do not appreciate boldness. Some absolutely do, and again I would question what the standard is for evaluating "boldness" on the part of these imaginary employees. While women in general are often surveyed to be more passive-aggressive in the workplace, the value or disadvantage of being such is still a matter of the individual situation. Personally, I just tell my bosses exactly what I think
I think I'm doing pretty well.Men are more "decisive decision-makers"? Hmm. First of all, the label makes my logical brain frown. If you are making a decision at all, then you are being decisive. This renders the statement a 1:1, with the fact being that all women who make decisions are also decisive decision-makers. How can you be an indecisive decision-maker? This is ILLOGICAL!!! I think what you meant to say was that men are more decisive. I'm not sure I follow what the parameters are for this, either. Is it that men make a quick decision and stick to it? I generally go with my first instinct, though I also prepare for whatever move I've decided upon over a long period of time. This could backfire if someone's making a snap decision without any time to test its merits.
Men don't gossip as much at work. This one, for whatever reason, seems to flesh out. I've tried to engage fellow female co-workers in conversation about sports, politics, even food... and it somehow comes back to another co-worker's private life. That other co-worker is almost always female, incidentally. This is anecdotal evidence, but the other posts seem to agree it's widespread. I personally hate the gossip. The fact I don't spread it seems to make me a "good listener" which damns me perpetually
Men are more dependable? Again, only going from anecdotal evidence, this doesn't seem quite right. I have known far more men who are chronically tardy or absent than women. I would love to see some data on tardiness and unplanned leave divided among the genders.
By your last two points' logic, the fact they don't affect me at all should make me a better worker. That seems odd. Do older women, then, make better workers than young ones? How about if Sally's 60 and past menopause, and Susie is 30 and her biological clock is ticking loudly, and they're both starting the same job? Are you really saying you'd hire Sally because she doesn't get her period and can't have more kids? Hmm. Interesting logic.
The trouble with trying to come up with a "reason" for something as complex as the gender "divide" in income... is that it's too complex for a simple single set of one-size-fits-all bullets.
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For people who claim to believe in individualism, this thread sure proves otherwise.
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lol that's an interesting reference
I hadn't heard it before, so I searched and found out that Quentin Tarantino's films often start at the end... thanks for the response
Based on the indivudual of course it is always going to be different, I think we all know woman and men who fall into the extremes of everything you listed (well other than periods and pregnant of course), I know I have. That said, if it was possible to look at the raw numbers, I think you would find that what he is indeed saying is more common in men. That is just my personal experience, which of course could be scewed by some weird bad luck of always working with a good number of horrible women. Strenth is an easy one, most people seem to agree that men are on average. So I agree with what spider man is saying just on average, but it still comes down to the individual.
Personally most women are stronger than me, but I'm a pretty smart guy.
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I agree with the gist of what Spiderman is saying but it's not as simple as "men are"
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For people who claim to believe in individualism, this thread sure proves otherwise.
I agree with you. It's the OTHER people that have a problem!
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But isn't ALWAYS the "other" person with the problem?
In reality? It's usually me that has the problem. Not my gender, my age bracket, people of my height or weight, my ethnicity, religious group, or anything else... just me
I like it that way, because I can fix my problems pretty well. Some are too large to fix, but the little nagging things are mine to control. It's good stuff. 
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Where you born a POS or is it something you grew into?
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No, just a Jew. You have a problem with that?
Only if you're a zionist Jew. I like Jews.
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