Why is this forum not on fire??

[newbitech]

"The movement" has been fanning the flames with a wet towel since at least 2012, probably since 2010. Its retail politics. People in this country are getting information overload and our message has been lost in the noise for some time now. It doesn't help that the movement is schizophrenic about the media. On the one hand, we act all surprised when the media ignores the message. On the other, we slobber all over ourselves when the propaganda machine finds one of our soundbites useful.

I'm over it. If Rand wants to get his message out there, he needs to be unconventional, but that won't happen. He's rooted in conventional retail politics at this point. Which means his fate is tied to his ability to deliver the message the establishments wants, not the message we all know Americans need.

Rand is lukewarm, neither hot nor cold. Same with this movement. It's lacked direction even as far back as late 2008 when the idea that an education campaign was being run vs a run to win campaign. Sure old hat supporters and activists could read between the lines, but the new supporters rolling in the apathy types like me who made those record breaking internet money bombs work and spread the link love of the "r3volution", we wanted (and still do) to smash the status quo and establishment. That didn't happen and all we heard from those other activist and supporters who had more experience and had been following Ron Paul and his message for a while was, "the plan was to educate, not to take power".

OK.

So now, we are all pretty much educated. Show me a way that we will take power away from the status quo, media, government leaches, etc etc and I will be there. I'll vote, but I'm not dedicating my life like I did in 2007 only to feel like I am being strung along once more.

Give me a candidate with some political clout and a track record of defending liberty. Then, let that candidate make his/her own media and to hell with these college football playoff style debate formats.

 

[Ronin Truth]

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[osan]

Cool down, Gargantua. Rand Paul ain't going anywhere here. Not because he is not good, but precisely the opposite. That means he does not fill the role that the Klown In Chief is required to play for the interests holding the bulk of the power in US politics. This is not rocket surgery.

Of course the debate was a travesty. Have they not all been so for many cycles past? What are you expecting, a sudden swing toward intelligence and proper ethics? Come on man, get yourself together better than that. What you got was they best you will ever see in your lifetime, all else equal. The trend has been toward ever greater absurdity. Live with it, or go on happy pills because you will never get what you want, short of a meteor striking the planet... and then you get a whole load of new problems.

Entropy reigns! Don't fight it because you cannot win. 1/2

I have only seen two clips of the "debate". One was where that Fox stoogess tried to corner Trump about his words regarding women. With an almost effortlessly adroit move, he sidestepped the amateurish churl with humor to the effect of only referring to Rosie O'Donnel in such unflattering terms. With that, he knocked that bitch's testicles up into her brain cavity where there was plenty of room for them. The crowd went apey and I thought to myself, "good".

Trump, like it or not, looks to be going places... though too early to tell for sure. But the public has been captured. Theye have attempted to destroy him but have either failed, or the attempt is smoke and mirrors... who can say for certain? But if genuine, they failed and must now contend with him through coopting him to Theire cause, which is probably easy, given the right sticks and carrots. But what if Theye fail at that as well? Things could get interesting and we could see the first assassination since JFK.

Relax. Travesty, aye young captain. So what? You will get nothing better in this lifetime, methinks. So for the next one, get out the popcorn, a beer or blunt, and sit back in your cozy chair and laugh at it all because the only alternative is to cry.

 

[brandon]

I guess I just really don't care who Chris Christie hugs, and preferably would not like to think about it at all.

 

[ApathyCuredRP]

I was an apathetic college student prior to the 2008 presidential cycle. I was doing an internship in Dallas and remember watching Fox News to my gross distaste right now. I use to be that guy that would take what was said through the TV like it was accurate. I was naive to the brainwashing. I was naive to the hidden agendas of the main stream media. I was naive to the empty words that came out of politicians.

I remember watching the first 2008 debate and found myself agreeing with the logic that came out of a certain candidate. Why are they mocking him? Why are they trying so hard to shut him down? Why are they teaming up on him? He is speaking truth and common sense. I was awoken by Ron Paul. He changed how I view the world for better or worse. I wish I could sometimes go back to the apathetic ignorant person I was because it feels that the US is beyond curing of its fatal disease.

The disease has been spreading for almost a hundred years. More more more more. Debt debt debt debt. Pass the debt to future generations via allowing the Federal Reserve to print a money supply the MIC can then use to fund its illegal wars and the establishment can buy votes through welfare. Who needs a budget when you can use monopoly money to pay your bills?

When we lost in 2012, I returned to my apathetic ways but retained the wisdom of what is really happening in the world. I bought land. I allocated my wealth in such a way that I will live a good life no matter how things turn out in 20, 30, 40 years. If the USA is still around in 40 years and life is normal, great. I have a good job and should have a good retirement. If the USA is not still around and the economy collapses making the US dollar worthless, land, guns, precious metals, hard assets will lift me miles above the average citizen. Joined a community of like mind people so that if the worst occurs, we have strength in numbers at a local level for safety.

My point in all of this is I think the establishment has learned from the Ron Paul phenom. They will do everything in their power to not allow the spark of liberty to be lit again. They will do everything in their power to silence the candidates that have substance. They will do everything in their power to distract the US voter via reality TV and shiny objects.

Rand Paul would be the greatest president we have seen in multiple generations. It just will not happen when your average citizen is brainwashed as I once was. It just will not happen when people are so ill informed. Is it really worth my time anymore to try and save a Stage 4 cancer patient (i.e. the US) who not only has a small chance of survival but has lost the will to live?

I will leave you with this quote from a 17th century Scotsman.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage."

-Alexander Fraser Tytler

 

[economics102]

Rand did fantastic last night, and he showed that he's willing to do whatever is necessary to stay center-stage, which is refreshing (compared to Ron, who struggled to adapt to the changing dynamics of the 2012 debates).

My hats off to Rand and his campaign team, they were not only on-message but they succeeded in the difficult role they needed to play last night. If you think it's easy to cut people off and interject the way Rand did, it's really not. Every time you do it you risk it blowing up in your face. Rand pulled it off, even the second exchange with Trump which didn't go as well, he still did what was necessary.

And the fact that Rand is the one Trump is talking about today, regardless of what nasty things he's saying, that keeps Rand Paul in the news cycle, which as Rand has wisely realized, is the key to success in this game.

 

[erowe1]

How in the world can some of you guys be down on Rand?

Because he supports sanctions against Iran.

 

[Aratus]

i looked at BIG BROTHER on CBS as SEN.RAND PAUL stomped CHRIS CHRISTIE silly on how close to a police state we are becoming in terms of NSA surveillance.
there are to be roughly 19 more debates. i avoid FOX when they have serious content becuz they spin it all dreadfully. i noticed the Drudge poll results and do think
DOCTOR RAND did quite well. we know that the GOP "clown car" is soon to be less crowded but i don't expect Ted Cruz or Donald Trump to drop out in any hurry...

 

[PoliticalChains]

How in the world can some of you guys be down on Rand? Question per question he won this debate hands down, but when you only get one questioned asked to you directly in the first hour and 20 mintues how can you expect him or anyone to do any better?? This debate was a travesty! Rand did great for the questions he was asked, but one flipping question in an hour and 20 minutes is beyond rediculous. He got passed over more than any other candidate. I'm I the only one that saw this?? If this happened to Ron as it did, this forum would be on FIRE as it should be right now! I'm fuming and oh fox news just covered the Rand vs Christie fight and Brent whatever his name is litterally said Christie won that exchange and not only that "I believe he seriously hurt Rand Paul" thus setting the stage to replace Rand with that Carly lady in the next debate... This is BS, this forum should be on FIRE! The only good that can come out of this is hopefully it causes all those that have been on the fence about Rand to jump in full bore!! Not only that but all his supporters in general should all be just as ready to go to bat as they did Ron. Damn I'm pissed with fox news and their manipulating ways! This proves Rand is the real threat just as Ron was even right down to their current post debate coverage of how Rand has been hurt by the Christie exchange. Other than Rand being covered negatively its obvious theyre going harder after Trump, but these two are the only ones according to fux news that got hurt by this debate. BS come on people stand up!!
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Oh and Kruthammer just said Christie was a "winner" tonight based on him getting the best of Rand Paul! The negative spin Rand getting is just as bad as Ron recieved... And now the fuck you Frank Luntz focus group is literally pumping Cruz and Huckabee lol. This shit is so scripted and controlled it's not even funny any more. According to them Rand was hurt in this debate.. Just watch they're going to roll out some fake manipulated polls to push Rand down even farther, they're going to try and push him out of the top ten.

Just now now repeating that Christie got the better of Rand and Megan Kellyssid yeah but what about his line saying you were hugging Obama, "oh but Christie had a good comeback for that saying I was hugging the folks on him911" LMAO Are you serious? If this was Ron this forum would be pissed and on fire! Come on people let em have it!

At the moment, Paul is still the only candidate I could support in the race. However, it's bothersome that my support is only based on my dissatisfaction with the other candidates.

I'm an ole' Ron Paul supporter, and I've transferred my support to the only 'next-best-thing.' Unfortunately, Rand hasn't done much to speak to me the way Ron did. I'm tired of being called a "conservative" in the emails the campaign sends me, and I feel somewhat like he's taking my (kind of) support for granted.

Rand missed a great opportunity to 'shush' Christi, or even especially Trump, by just cutting in on him. It could've 'killed' two birds with a single stone; since, the media loves to say he's never really shushed a man.

The fact is Rand has been playing things a bit too safe, and Trump is dominating the headlines and coverage because he un-apologetically is not. With no debate scheduled until September, I'm not sure when he'll have another opportunity before then. I hate to say this, because normally I would advise against it, but Rand is going to have to start making some blatantly controversial statements (and be prepared to back them up with sensibility) or Trump is going to keep dominating the media.

It shouldn't be a poster on this forum complaining about the way Rand was ignored in the debate; it should be Rand calling them out for it. Trump got all the attention, and Megan treated him more than fairly, but he has no problem whining that her questioning wasn't "nice" enough.

Rand's got to step it up (and stop calling me & everybody else a conservative) because more than ever, he needs cross-over votes, and attention. The ball is in his court, and he needs to start dangling his balls out there for everyone to see, or we're dead in the water.

 

[Chieppa1]

It's not all about the debates. Rand has another month to campaign on the ground.

 

[jointhefightforfreedom]

cruz is speaking how i expected rand to !

 

[thoughtomator]

Why is this forum not on fire??

the data center has excellent air conditioning

 

[Weston White]

Rand dominated Christie, the second he got him to pull out the tired and old 9/11 pity-party card. I only wish that Rand threw the Fort Lee lane closure scandal back in his greasy, plump face before calling for the debate to move on.

ETA:

Also it was interesting that Christie is connected to one of the many personnel changeovers and policy revisions that took place just prior to 9/11/2001.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Are it's pants smoking?

 

[Dianne]

Rand dominated Christie, the second he got him to pull out the tired and old 9/11 pity-party card. I only wish that Rand threw the Fort Lee lane closure scandal back in his greasy, plump face before calling for the debate to move on.

ETA:

Also it was interesting that Christie is connected to one of the many personnel changeovers and policy revisions that took place just prior to 9/11/2001.

And a 30% approval rating in his own state, substantially lower than his predecessor, Corzine.

Christie's approval rating dropped to 30 percent, with more than half polled — 55 percent — saying they disprove of the job he's doing, according to the Fairleigh Dickinson University PublicMind survey. The approval rating is a six-percentage point drop from a similar poll PublicMind conducted in April.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/06/christies_job_approval_hits_another_all-time_low_d.html

Corzine left office with 58 percent job disapproval and only a third of voters — 33 percent — who said they approved of his performance, according to PublicMind January 2010 poll.