Why is this forum not on fire??

[r3volution 3.0]

Ron always won the online after debate polls because he had all the youngsters voting for him. Rand can't even beat the charlatan Ted Cruz on the after debate Drudge poll.

Don't mean to be a skunk at the party, but I call em like I see em

Note that Ron did not become the nominee.

...internet polls don't (much) matter.

 

[nobody's_hero]

I'm just now finding out about the debate results.

Last night, I imagined that it was going to be a few hours of 'let's avoiding asking Rand Paul anything.' And I don't give a shit what any of the other candidates have to say. So I went to bed early.

So give me a few minutes to finish catching up on what went down and I'll decide how much anger I'm willing to dedicate to this.

 

[Sujan]

He's getting the same treatment as his dad, the republican party doesn't like libertarian minded candidates. I don't think Paul will be the nominee, lack of media attention, speaking time and his campaign's war chest is unimpressive, far less than say Jeb Bush's. But Paul is young, so he can run again in 2020 or 2024. Nevertheless, I will support Paul of course this run, but I am realistic.

 

[LawnWake]

He did Ok. Some peaks and some valleys. Seemed better as he relaxed.

Yeah, my take too. He wasn't bad. He did what he could with the time he got, which was less than any other candidate, but not that signifcant compared to some other candidates.

We'll have to sit out the pool of candidates shrinking to really get an understanding of how he will do in the debates.

 

[asurfaholic]

Yeah, this.

Sorry, my stock of outrage is all used up.

Yes. This is basically where I'm at. I spent most of the 2012 election pissed at the world. Now I can't seem to find any shits to give. If people want to keep watching Fox News and letting them decide elections, there's nothing I can reasonably do to change it. In the meantime I have a beautiful wife, (almost) 4 year old, and a 12 week old daughter who all need my positive devotion to them. That's going to be my focus for the next 18+ years.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Cyber world is fire resistant and insured?

 

[BSU kid]

I think Rand is a good guy, he definitely understands liberty more than any of these other candidates. Yet it would seem that all the work he has done infiltrating the establishment, and trying to make himself more mainstream has not helped him. Ron was anti-establishment, a firebrand, an outsider who did not speak with a filter. Ron attracted millions of young supporters like me because of his outsider status, and because he was so outspoken. The first vote I ever cast was for Ron, he started a movement that I wanted to be a part of.

Donald Trump is now channeling the base of voters who hate the establishment, and hate sleazy conformist politicians. Rand could have been in Trump's situation, channeling populist support. Unfortunately, since Rand has infiltrated the establishment, he has got lost in the conversation...common people see him as another player in the game, they don't see him as an outsider worth supporting.

This website is lifeless compared to the 2012 election, where literally every nook of this website was filled with liberty lovers. I will continue to support Rand, and I will fight for him, but we need a new face to the liberty movement moving forward. We need a firebrand who can rally the kind of support that Ron had, and bring in more people.

 

[timosman]

Rand is doing media. You can hear him in the background:
https://www.facebook.com/RandPaul/videos/10153258119276107/

Chip Englander can talk. He seem way more likable than the other guy they used to have. Can't remember his name right now.

 

[timosman]

I think Rand is a good guy, he definitely understands liberty more than any of these other candidates. Yet it would seem that all the work he has done infiltrating the establishment, and trying to make himself more mainstream has not helped him. Ron was anti-establishment, a firebrand, an outsider who did not speak with a filter. Ron attracted millions of young supporters like me because of his outsider status, and because he was so outspoken. The first vote I ever cast was for Ron, he started a movement that I wanted to be a part of.

Donald Trump is now channeling the base of voters who hate the establishment, and hate sleazy conformist politicians. Rand could have been in Trump's situation, channeling populist support. Unfortunately, since Rand has infiltrated the establishment, he has got lost in the conversation...common people see him as another player in the game, they don't see him as an outsider worth supporting.

This website is lifeless compared to the 2012 election, where literally every nook of this website was filled with liberty lovers. I will continue to support Rand, and I will fight for him, but we need a new face to the liberty movement moving forward. We need a firebrand who can rally the kind of support that Ron had, and bring in more people.

OK, kid. Time to grow up. To get this level of excitement from Paul during Ron's run you would have to stitch evens from the entire campaign. You get a condensed version from just a single performance and still complaining ? Who are you shilling for ? GET A WARRANT - is this enough for "liberty lovers" or does he have to yell "9/11 was an inside job" ?

 

[rich34]

I think Rand is a good guy, he definitely understands liberty more than any of these other candidates. Yet it would seem that all the work he has done infiltrating the establishment, and trying to make himself more mainstream has not helped him. Ron was anti-establishment, a firebrand, an outsider who did not speak with a filter. Ron attracted millions of young supporters like me because of his outsider status, and because he was so outspoken. The first vote I ever cast was for Ron, he started a movement that I wanted to be a part of.

Donald Trump is now channeling the base of voters who hate the establishment, and hate sleazy conformist politicians. Rand could have been in Trump's situation, channeling populist support. Unfortunately, since Rand has infiltrated the establishment, he has got lost in the conversation...common people see him as another player in the game, they don't see him as an outsider worth supporting.

This website is lifeless compared to the 2012 election, where literally every nook of this website was filled with liberty lovers. I will continue to support Rand, and I will fight for him, but we need a new face to the liberty movement moving forward. We need a firebrand who can rally the kind of support that Ron had, and bring in more people.

Dude, it wouldn't have mattered either way. Do you really think Rand gets the same amount of questions and the same air time as Trump so long as he's running around running his mouth like Trump?? No way man..

 

[timosman]

He's getting the same treatment as his dad, the republican party doesn't like libertarian minded candidates. I don't think Paul will be the nominee, lack of media attention, speaking time and his campaign's war chest is unimpressive, far less than say Jeb Bush's. But Paul is young, so he can run again in 2020 or 2024. Nevertheless, I will support Paul of course this run, but I am realistic.

Thank you for your valuable input. I am sure Jeb will appreciate it as well.

 

[timosman]

Yes. This is basically where I'm at. I spent most of the 2012 election pissed at the world. Now I can't seem to find any shits to give. If people want to keep watching Fox News and letting them decide elections, there's nothing I can reasonably do to change it. In the meantime I have a beautiful wife, (almost) 4 year old, and a 12 week old daughter who all need my positive devotion to them. That's going to be my focus for the next 18+ years.

It seems you subscribe to a false dichotomy - brainwashed vs. disconnected. If these are all your options then you did make a right choice.

 

[65fastback2+2]

Not his best debate. Did great on 4th amendment with Christie, but his other answers were too short. He didn't come off as polished or comfortable in his own skin Sorry, but Rand is not going to get the nomination. I think he's the best one of the bunch, I've maxed on the money I can give him in 2015, but where is he after the debate. He should be on all the talk shows?? Why is he ducking Sean Shammity?? Cruz, Trump, Rubio, Scott Walker, Huckster etc etc. But no Rand. Doesn't look like he wants it.

lol...ducking? He's been making more media appearances than any other candidate...how can you have THE MOST and be ducking it at the same time? Quit being illogical.

 

[65fastback2+2]

Yes. This is basically where I'm at. I spent most of the 2012 election pissed at the world. Now I can't seem to find any shits to give. If people want to keep watching Fox News and letting them decide elections, there's nothing I can reasonably do to change it. In the meantime I have a beautiful wife, (almost) 4 year old, and a 12 week old daughter who all need my positive devotion to them. That's going to be my focus for the next 18+ years.

hopefully they'll thank you for giving up when in 18+ years the USA has to officially declare bankruptcy, social security will officially have $0 and the world will be a mess.

I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

I have a 3 month old daughter, and my focus for the next 18+ years is doing everything I can to effect the country she lives in and the life she leads.

Its a good thing John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and others didnt use having kids as a reason to duck standing up for what needs to be stood up for.

 

[rich34]

He's getting the same treatment as his dad, the republican party doesn't like libertarian minded candidates. I don't think Paul will be the nominee, lack of media attention, speaking time and his campaign's war chest is unimpressive, far less than say Jeb Bush's. But Paul is young, so he can run again in 2020 or 2024. Nevertheless, I will support Paul of course this run, but I am realistic.

Look, the fact is Romney had a shit ton more money than Ron did in 2012 and Ron still almost pulled out the victory in Iowa due to his ground game. The national media does not do a very good job at telling what's going on at the state level. Fact is Rand still has the strongest and largest grassroots/ground game in Iowa. I know it's all speculation but if Rand can merely hang onto his fathers supporters alone, in a 17 person field that should be enough to take Iowa this time around. It's way to early to be having a defeatist attitude especially given the recent exposure of the recent polls coming out of Iowa majorly underpolling the 18-36 year old demographic which is a group Ron won nearly 50% of. This will change as the election draws near, Rand will get his surge in both Iowa and NH.

 

[gaazn]

The problem with Rand Paul is trust and conviction. With Ron Paul, there was never any question that we could trust him and he believed what he said. Even his opponents and enemies applauded him on these, even if they hated his positions. Rand Paul, not so. He whooped Christie like Pappa whooped Rudy G.

 

[timosman]

I am mad, but they did it to Ron Paul over and over and over and nothing ever happens. No voter seems to care, they are all sheep, they lap it up like kittens to warm milk. I honestly don't get how dumb people can be. I will watch Fox say "x, y, or z" and then I start hearing friends, family, and church members repeat it like gospel. Every time, and no matter what I do to try and change their opinion it never works and they don't listen to me. I live in the walking dead surrounded by zombies. I watch these people say how democrats/Obama is destroying this country, and then they help throw gas on the fire by choosing these horrible candidates.

You are going about changing people's opinion the wrong way. You try to reason and they ignore you. Use humor and try to ridicule them. Be cool and do not try to force your views on them. Let them try to change your opinion. Do not be Debbie Downer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXmRJ7VrNss

 

[acptulsa]

Maybe because somewhere down the line we learned to set our fires outside this echo chamber.

We know Fox went out of its way to make sure as few people as possible watched their little debate or heard the whole thing. And we knew before it started that the reason why is so they could pronounce the winners and losers and show only enough little clips to back that up. But we seem to have finally learned not to tell each other, but to come here for talking points, then get out of here and tell the rest of the world.

 

[timosman]

The problem with Rand Paul is trust and conviction. With Ron Paul, there was never any question that we could trust him and he believed what he said. Even his opponents and enemies applauded him on these, even if they hated his positions. Rand Paul, not so. He whooped Christie like Pappa whooped Rudy G.

That's not enough to trust him ? If you are expecting Jesus to show up it is going to take a while.

 

[rich34]

That's not enough to trust him ? If you are expecting Jesus to show up it is going to take a while.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to timosman again." Thumbs up!