Why aren't we all members of the Free State Project?

[tremendoustie]

I think you are correct if the goal is liberty but not for the reason's stated. I think the FSP as conceptualized is not strategically viable. The premise of FSP is that a scattered tireless minority can liberate an entire state. I reject the premise on it's face holding geographical organization requires better strategic planning, starting on a smaller scale such as simply taking over one county, and working up. I am on the other hand rooting for the FreeKeene wing of FSP because it is strategically focused in one locality.

I will happily eat crow if I am proven wrong.

It's already having a marked impact at the state level government, with many bad bills being stopped, and a number of good bills being passed, as a direct result of freestater influence. The thing you have to realize is, the vast majority of people don't take the time to be activists, or to run for office (especially in a state where reps get $100 a year). If activists move, they have a disproportionately large impact.

 

[MyLibertyStuff]

It's already having a marked impact at the state level government, with many bad bills being stopped, and a number of good bills being passed, as a direct result of freestater influence. The thing you have to realize is, the vast majority of people don't take the time to be activists, or to run for office (especially in a state where reps get $100 a year). If activists move, they have a disproportionately large impact.

I agree they do make a large impact there. However, I will move to Singapore or Hong Kong before NH.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!! Just to show how "petty" Ian and his clan are, they DELETED my thread from their BBS. It was a thread that had posts for 6 years regarding the subject of "Christian Anarchy". It was mainly me defending my position against attacks from the ilk there. Because of this discussion here and criticism of Ian and his BBS, IT WAS DELETED!!! This is the kind of childish behavior that PROVES my point!!!

Gene = 1 : Ian = -1,000

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

I agree they do make a large impact there. However, I will move to Singapore or Hong Kong before NH.

I have to agree. The billionaire investor Jim Rogers moved to Singapore and since my wife is from China and we visit there all the time, we have been preparing for a move to that part of the globe if things really fall apart here.

 

[TheHumblePhysicist]

What is with all of the goddamn anarchists on this thread? They are really starting to infest the liberty movement. It's a little disconcerting.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

What is with all of the goddamn anarchists on this thread? They are really starting to infest the liberty movement. It's a little disconcerting.

Please don't think that an "anarchist" is someone to fear. We are simply people who recognize that NO MAN has the right to RULE over another man. This is God's law, not man's. Anarchist are (for the most part) very peaceful people who do not want to rule over others nor do we want others to rule over us.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Update and correction. I thought that the people at FTL had deleted my thread on their board, but instead they had moved it to their "trolls" section. Since I do not fit the definition of "troll" as stated on Wikipedia, I moved it back to where I had placed it (as the "creator" of the thread, I have that capibility).

 

[SilentBull]

I will be making attempts to move to NH within 6 months.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Apparently you just "glossed over" the part about being known by the company one keeps? You have appointed the most vile people on your BBS as MODERATORS?? The ones who post the most attacks and would probably be banned at any decent forum (you will notice they don't show their heads here). This really calls into question your judgment if nothing else...

Oh, just as further "proof" of the kind of people who "run" Ian's BBS - here's a link to what they are saying about my criticism here.

http://bbs.freetalklive.com/general/apparently-gene-dislikes-me/

They are saying that I did not "name name's" but that's because they failed to read the posts here. If one reviews the previous posts, you will see that I named "Boner Joe". There was another one but I did not "name" her because I have forgotten her name otherwise I certainly would have...

This is only posted here to show how petty and childish the "freedom warriors" that Ian hangs with. Sure, most of them may not be in NH, but they are his "employees" or "volunteers" who are under his direct supervision.

My entire point is that The Free State Project cannot succeed because of all this infighting and petty bickering among them.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

I will be making attempts to move to NH within 6 months.

I hope your experiences are good and I wish you guys the best...

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Update and correction. I thought that the people at FTL had deleted my thread on their board, but instead they had moved it to their "trolls" section. Since I do not fit the definition of "troll" as stated on Wikipedia, I moved it back to where I had placed it (as the "creator" of the thread, I have that capibility).

Further update: Now the "tyrant moderator" has moved my thread back to the "trolls" area and locked it so I cannot move it back. I really expect this kind of childishness from these "friends of the freestate project's biggest promoter". As long as such absolute HATE drives these kind of people, how can one expect them to "promote liberty"? Promotion of liberty means you need to promote liberty FOR ALL. Especially for those you like the least. It's this childish behavior that has me shaking my head wondering how "liberty activists" can ever achieve their goals. Sure, more people are actually waking up, but I'm not sure we can overcome this kind of mentality...

 

[BonerJoe]

I think it's sad that Gene has nothing better to do than complain about "trolling" on a silly radio show forum when he is one of the biggest offenders himself. Gene loves his agenda trolling, and posting disgusting gore pictures if things don't go the way he likes them. Nothing but a retired old man with too much time on his hands.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I will be making attempts to move to NH within 6 months.

Oh, that's great. See you soon!

 

[MyLibertyStuff]

I have to agree. The billionaire investor Jim Rogers moved to Singapore and since my wife is from China and we visit there all the time, we have been preparing for a move to that part of the globe if things really fall apart here.

Lucky! How is it over there? I went on a month long trip to China a few years ago, and loved it more than anywhere else on the planet. Cant wait to get over to Asia, with or without Jim Rogers

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

I think it's sad that Gene has nothing better to do than complain about "trolling" on a silly radio show forum when he is one of the biggest offenders himself. Gene loves his agenda trolling, and posting disgusting gore pictures if things don't go the way he likes them. Nothing but a retired old man with too much time on his hands.

Pretty good trick there "joe". You locked my thread so I can't move it and now you have locked me out of every posting area except "amp" and "trolls". And the only reason for that (I'm sure) is because I'm a "amper" and you are afraid of repercussions. Hey, if you were a real man, you would just delete my whole account, but you just are a sissy hiding behind a keyboard...

Let's see how long a troll like you can last here with a name like "Boner". You will see that that kind of thing doesn't fly among civilized people...

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Lucky! How is it over there? I went on a month long trip to China a few years ago, and loved it more than anywhere else on the planet. Cant wait to get over to Asia, with or without Jim Rogers

Here's a link to my blog (which I haven't updated in over a year). There's a couple of pages there about China.

http://www.freewebs.com/christiananarchist/

If you have any specific questions, you can message me.

 

[MelissaWV]

Melissa, I hope you'll forgive me for "shooting down objections", but I've got to tell you there are lots of religious folks who are members of the FSP. I'm religious, and am moving back to NH soon.

The thread clearly was started because many people who are participating in, or are interested in the FSP want more of the great folks on RPF to join! There's nothing wrong with that -- we're obviously going to try to convince you to come, because we want more great people like you around, but that doesn't mean you have to (obviously). I know many folks genuinely can't move at this time, and that's ok. Some just don't want to, and that's ok too. Different people have different priorities and interests.

Also, to put my 2c in, I have no problem with FTL caller policies, they seem to work quite well.

Right, but if someone is openly and merrily religious and they don't want to be around folks who are openly "rabidly anti-religious," why make an issue out of it? Hell, if the reason is "I don't like that one guy's avatar" it should be cool The question is out there, and there were constructive criticisms offered, and the response was largely to marginalize the reasons given. Now it's devolved into arguing over the policies of another board/station entirely. Somehow that is not encouraging.

If my reason is that NH is cold, I don't want to hear about how it's not REALLY that cold, and I must not really care about freedom if that's a factor, and so on... which is something that usually comes on the heels of someone citing NH's climate as a concern.

But the thread can carry on trying to make it seem like there is absolutely no *good* reason to stay out of NH

 

[BonerJoe]

Pretty good trick there "joe". You locked my thread so I can't move it and now you have locked me out of every posting area except "amp" and "trolls". And the only reason for that (I'm sure) is because I'm a "amper" and you are afraid of repercussions. Hey, if you were a real man, you would just delete my whole account, but you just are a sissy hiding behind a keyboard...

Let's see how long a troll like you can last here with a name like "Boner". You will see that that kind of thing doesn't fly among civilized people...

Gene, I really wish you would stop your trolling. It's really getting old.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Gene, I really wish you would stop your trolling. It's really getting old.

From Wikipedia:

"is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]"

You are the one posting off-topic here and I suggest you take your trolling tactics back to your friends at FTL. I see you started an account here for the sole purpose of starting your typical tactics here. I suggest you "go home" where you belong and leave this board to people who really care about issues...

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

And in defense of BonerJoe -- I LOVE THE GUY! I don't frequent the BBS often, but we talk in chat all the time. Say what you want about him online. He can be very crude. Offline Jay is a stand up dude. Hell, Mark even described him as a "giant teddy bear." We even went into business together at Porcfest. He busted his ass there to make our food stand one of the most sucessful parts of Agora Alley. If it wasn't for him it wouldn't have happened, because he brought all the big stuff, and did most of the intial setup. I'd definitely work with him again if he wanted to.

Yeah, you see how he's behaving now? He's acting like a child restricting my posting ability on the BBS (in spite of the fact that I'm an AMPer). Now he started an account (with 2 posts) simply to start trolling in this thread. He's a piece of work alright. And he's the "freestate project's biggest promoter's" right-hand guy at his BBS...

This is EXACTLY why the freestate project will die. There will be people like him who want to have their way at the expense of everyone else.