Who will stand with me?

Who will stand with me on the Fifth of November, 2009?

  • I will.

    Votes: 44 62.9%
  • I will not.

    Votes: 26 37.1%

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On Friday night, I posted a thread entitled, "What if we abolished the United States government on the Fifth of November?"

The notion is simple and straightforward.

On the Fifth of November of 2008, a core group (as many of us as are willing) sign a statement declaring our intention to see the United States government abolished on the Fifth of November of 2009. Then, on November 5th, 2009, we abolish it. No violence, no shooting, no destruction of buildings necessary. If we have to act in self-defense, we will, but that will not be the plan.

The Declaration of Independence and many state constitutions (as another thread pointed out) declare that we the People have the right to abolish our government, if we see fit.

My question to my dear friends here is:

How much longer are we going to wait? How much more money is the state going to steal? How much more power is the state going to violate its own constitution and the will of its people to grab? Tell me, how many more lives do we allow the state to take and send off to die in a war of aggression? Where will this end? Where are we going to draw the line?

If the Founders could come visit us in our time and see where we are and see what our government has become. What would they say? I'm almost afraid they would chastise us for not having abolished this government yet. I'm afraid they would say, "Look at what you have allowed to grow! Look at how you let this beast steal from, control, imprison, and kill your fellow countrymen! And you've let it live like this for HOW LONG?"

I have the distinct feeling that if we could ask our Founders what course of action we should take concerning the government right now, they would come back resoundingly saying, "Abolish it, and suffer it not another day to live and thieve and murder."

So, the plan, in a nutshell is this:

On November the Fifth of 2008, we have a core group (as many who are willing) sign a statement of intent to see the United States government abolished by November the Fifth of 2009.

We spend those next 365 days making any and all preparations, gathering as many people as we can to join us, refining our plans concerning how we are going to dissolve the government and how we are going to have a functioning free market system in place for us to switch over to after 11/5/09.

Then on November the Fifth, 2009, millions of us declare, at once, the government of the United States of America hereby abolished. We all simultaneously refuse to have our money taken from us by the government, refuse to acknowledge the legal and judicial authorities, refuse to do the government's military's bidding in harming or killing or restricting the liberties of other people either here or in foreign countries, and we finalize our voluntary contracts with private insurance/security agencies and private court systems to provide our defense services and legal recourse services thenceforth.


So, who will commit to pledging on November the Fifth of 2008, to stand with me on November the Fifth of 2009 and exercise our Declaration-guaranteed right to abolish this government?

We could, if we wanted to, give them a Fifth of November they would truly never, ever forget.

Who will stand with me?



For more information, see 11-05.com




Edit: [Anyone who voted "I will" on this poll, please friend me or send me a message on Ron Paul Forums so we can network.]
 
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As an addendum, if enough people join me, I would like to see if Slave Uprising will adopt this movement. Adam Kokesh has already got a good thing going, and the better we can coordinate with other likeminded patriots, the more successful we will be.
 
cool graphic, and to be honest aspiringconstitutonalist, I don't know....

I know there will be a lot of us here who can't make a decision like this right away. I don't want to pressure anyone into doing anything they can't do. If you can't, do not feel like you are any less a patriot or a lover of liberty, but as many of you who are capable of standing with me, please consider this request.
 
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Uh.... Unless this is an initiative from the C4L, and I'm guessing it is not, it's not cool to use their logo for this initiative.
 
As another addendum, anyone who voted "I will" on this poll, please friend me or send me a message on Ron Paul Forums so we can network.
 
I get that November 5th is popular because of V for Vendetta and the first money bomb, but historically it was an unsuccessful Papal attempt to overthrow representative government in England, and I think our goals are different here. Why not use a date important to America's history instead?
 
I get that November 5th is popular because of V for Vendetta and the first money bomb, but historically it was an unsuccessful Papal attempt to overthrow representative government in England, and I think our goals are different here. Why not use a date important to America's history instead?

We use it for the same reason that it was used for the first moneybomb; The point has already been made for us by a widely popular movie.
 
As an addendum, if enough people join me, I would like to see if Slave Uprising will adopt this movement. Adam Kokesh has already got a good thing going, and the better we can coordinate with other likeminded patriots, the more successful we will be.

Ya good idea. They have a business type card thread over there that sounds interesting. This is serious though. When is this HR 2755 in the house and senate ? What's the deal on these things ? Maybe linking somehow this HR and slaveuprising.com ... I dunno

.. HR 2755 is the biggest "fish to fry".
 
I get that November 5th is popular because of V for Vendetta and the first money bomb, but historically it was an unsuccessful Papal attempt to overthrow representative government in England, and I think our goals are different here. Why not use a date important to America's history instead?

It's a shame that so beautiful a day as the Fifth of November should have to be forever tarnished by the wrongheaded actions of one man.

We could, if we wanted to, reshape it and make it a day of peaceful reclamation of our liberties. The important thing is that it has great significance to liberty lovers because of last year's money bomb, and that it is the day immediately preceding the elections, when this government will confirm that it is truly intent on maintaining the status quo forever and ever.
 
It's a shame that so beautiful a day as the Fifth of November should have to be forever tarnished by the wrongheaded actions of one man.

We could, if we wanted to, reshape it and make it a day of peaceful reclamation of our liberties. The important thing is that it has great significance to liberty lovers because of last year's money bomb, and that it is the day immediately preceding the elections, when this government will confirm that it is truly intent on maintaining the status quo forever and ever.

They named it for him, it would be like French monarchists trying to change Bastille Day to suit their needs, it just isn't going to happen. Guy Fawkes Day will always be about Guy Fawkes trying to overthrow parliament in favor of the Papacy.
 
They named it for him, it would be like French monarchists trying to change Bastille Day to suit their needs, it just isn't going to happen. Guy Fawkes Day will always be about Guy Fawkes trying to overthrow parliament in favor of the Papacy.

Most people have no clue what Guy Fawkes Day is. In fact, I bet there are more people in America who know November 5th as the day of the Ron Paul moneybomb than there are people in America who know November 5th as some obscure English holiday.

It's the day immediately after the election, and a day associated with change in government. Making the day November 5th gives us one month to plan our Statement of Intentions on 11/5/08, and then a year to make our preparations for the final Abolition on 11/5/09.
 
Another thought regarding this idea:

What if we banded together with likeminded people in different countries (like Canadian libertarians, for instance) and made this a worldwide event...?
 

Hegelian Dialectic.... is the Operative Term with respect to the notion that you raise. Basically, it's a framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution.

The media is starting to talk-up the need to replace the system. We are also seeing so-called experts make similar statements. But we have to be careful exactly what parts of the system we replace, and what we replace it with.

In the Club of Rome's book, the First Global Revolution, the Club of Rome members acknowledge the need to demolish the current system and replace it with a new one, saying:

“Sacrilegious though this may sound, democracy is no longer well suited for the tasks ahead. The complexity and the technical nature of many of today’s problems do not always allow elected representatives to make competent decisions at the right time.”

So, here we have a major international think tank discussing the need to abolish current democratic systems in a 1991 publication. So, one must ask themselves why they wish to do this, are they in-fact instigating the circumstances that have lead us to this juncture, and what do they wish to replace the system with?

Hence, when one asks questions about abolishing our current system, one better be prepared to know what to replace it with or someone else may come-in and replace it with something far worse.
 
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