Who will stand with me?

[AbolishTheGovt]

Hence, when one asks questions about abolishing our current system, one better be prepared to know what to replace it with or someone else may come-in and replace it with something far worse.

A system of voluntary contracts and competing private businesses to provide everything the government currently has a forcibly-held monopoly on (defense, courts, roads, money, etc.). Total respect for the non-aggression axiom.

If some people want to go off and reform the original Constitutional Republic of the United States or any other system, they are free to do that, as long as they don't force anyone to be subject to it. People can vote with their feet.

 

[JoshLowry]

As an addendum, if enough people join me, I would like to see if Slave Uprising will adopt this movement. Adam Kokesh has already got a good thing going, and the better we can coordinate with other likeminded patriots, the more successful we will be.

Slave Uprising does not officially endorse or represent a movement.

Just wear the white band if you would like to pledge to resist and wake up the slaves around you.

Adam is organizing and sharing his ideas for a protest, but the site is not his personal project. I think we will have to grow and unite before we accomplish much.

[FONT=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica]SlaveUprising.com welcomes members to use all tools available to wake up those who are bound to slavery, but do not realize it yet. We endorse no individual action or project that may arise by use of these tools. In respect for the freedom of the individual, SlaveUprising.com remains neutral though supportive in regard to all a manner of non-violent resistance.

We offer a place that deserves neither credit nor blame. It is a space for you to unite and share your individual ideas so that they may blossom in the fight for freedom.[/FONT]

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

Slave Uprising does not officially endorse or represent a movement.

Just wear the white band if you would like to pledge to resist and wake up the slaves around you.

Adam is organizing and sharing his ideas for a protest, but the site is not his personal project. I think we will have to grow and unite before we accomplish much.

Gotcha

 

[James Madison]

Perhaps it would be fitting if we drafted a new Declaration of Independence to mark this momentous occasion.

 

[anarchy]

Perhaps it would be fitting if we drafted a new Declaration of Independence to mark this momentous occasion.

hell yeah

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

Perhaps it would be fitting if we drafted a new Declaration of Independence to mark this momentous occasion.

My thoughts exactly. Any and all suggestions for a Second Declaration are welcome.

I'll offer something up. Feel free to make recommendations for changes, or additions, or recommend your own completely different version, etc.:

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed (by their Creator or by inherent moral nature, which ever or both the individual chooses) with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of ALL of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to raise up any new form of securing their rights and freedoms as long as illegitimate force is not used against any person, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these States; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present Federal Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

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1. This Government has violated its own Constitution in stealing the hard-earned savings of its People for various illegitimate causes.

Please continue...

 

[me3]

An anarchist has no need to list crimes by a state. A state by nature is coercive.

The declaration merely needs to be the non-aggression principle/axiom. Period.

The more wordy you get, the harder it will be for the average Simpsons fan to understand it. And it will dilute the simple message. And it will be misinterpreted in the future.

 

[James Madison]

If it's ok with all of you I will gladly accept the task of writing a new Declaration.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

An anarchist has no need to list crimes by a state. A state by nature is coercive.

The declaration merely needs to be the non-aggression principle/axiom. Period.

The more wordy you get, the harder it will be for the average Simpsons fan to understand it. And it will dilute the simple message. And it will be misinterpreted in the future.

I see your point, but I think offering a list of specified offenses will also help the average Simpsons fan see just how destructive of our freedoms our current Government has become, as well. The opening paragraph can probably be pared down to the simple NAA, you're right.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

If it's ok with all of you I will gladly accept the task of writing a new Declaration.

Of course, offer something. Anything. We'll put it up to the free market of ideas.

 

[James Madison]

Of course, offer something. Anything. We'll put it up to the free market of ideas.

Sounds good to me.

 

[anarchy]

What do you think about scrolling this on every TV channel:

WE, THE PEOPLE, ARE TAKING BACK OUR COUNTRY

Please read this message carefully.

The founding fathers gave us the duty to abolish any and all government
which turns tyrannical and abusive. Therefore, We, The People, have decided
that today, November 5th, we are taking back what is rightfully ours.

From today on we no longer recognize the tyrants and traitors which are currently
holding office. On the internet and in your town hall you can
go and sign the new declaration of indepedence, which you can read in the message below.

Please note to remain calm and respect local police forces - they are not your enemy but your friend.
In case the no longer active government tries to interfere with this process by enforcing martial
law or sending in troops, we have no other choice to defend ourselves. Therefore we recommend you
to arm yourself and your neighbours, and only use force when really necessary. Do not let them take you
in custody or try to take your freedom away! Inside sources have confirmed the presence of prison camps
and death ovens like the Nazi germans used to have.

Live free or die! For a Free America!

[New declaration scrolls continously below]

 

[Tenbatsu]

Sounds interesting. If you can bring enough people you will scare the shit out of the establishment. Bring a million people to D.C. to declare their independence and the house of cards will become awfully shaky. It will be interesting to see if the media can make 1,000,000 people in D.C. disappear for a day. Either way I'm down and I know of at least 15-20 other people that are down too.

 

[RockEnds]

If some people want to go off and reform the original Constitutional Republic of the United States or any other system, they are free to do that, as long as they don't force anyone to be subject to it. People can vote with their feet.

No, not at all. Who would want to make you subject to enumerated rights like habeas corpus or a right to trial by jury of your peers? No, if you feel you are able to defend yourself against the most powerful force in human history without the protections offered by a document legally recognized as the supreme law of the land, by all means, go for it.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

No, not at all. Who would want to make you subject to enumerated rights like habeas corpus or a right to trial by jury of your peers? No, if you feel you are able to defend yourself against the most powerful force in human history without the protections offered by a document legally recognized as the supreme law of the land, by all means, go for it.

The point is that the current Government has nullified those rights. We are obviously not going to get those rights back through more petitioning and marching and phone calls and emails. Obviously, it would take more than 90% of the American public behind us to return the current government to its Constitutional limits. That bar has been set by the recent bailout. Ninety percent opposed it, and the government did it anyway. Therefore, it must take some number greater than 90% of the American people in order for the government to respect our wishes (not to mention the Constitution).

Our Founders reserved for us the right (and duty) to abolish any and all government that becomes destructive of the liberties you mentioned, when they drafted the Declaration of Independence. This government has become destructive of those liberties. We are taking up our duty to abolish it, and to institute a new system, one that is compatible with the principle of non aggression, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to us shall seem most likely to effect our safety and happiness.

 

[RockEnds]

The point is that the current Government has nullified those rights. We are obviously not going to get those rights back through more petitioning and marching and phone calls and emails. Obviously, it would take more than 90% of the American public behind us to return the current government to its Constitutional limits. That bar has been set by the recent bailout. Ninety percent opposed it, and the government did it anyway. Therefore, it must take some number greater than 90% of the American people in order for the government to respect our wishes (not to mention the Constitution).

Our Founders reserved for us the right (and duty) to abolish any and all government that becomes destructive of the liberties you mentioned, when they drafted the Declaration of Independence. This government has become destructive of those liberties. We are taking up our duty to abolish it, and to institute a new system, one that is compatible with the principle of non aggression, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to us shall seem most likely to effect our safety and happiness.

I think you're missing the point. First of all, the founders gave us the right to alter or abolish. Second, once you abolish that entire document, you have nothing but your own authority to back your claim to any rights at all.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

I think you're missing the point. First of all, the founders gave us the right to alter or abolish. Second, once you abolish that entire document, you have nothing but your own authority to back your claim to any rights at all.

The point is that we'll have 365 days between 11/5/08 and 11/5/09 to develop a functioning system of private, voluntary, contractual defense/court/insurance agencies to cross over to after we dissolve the US Government.

 

[anarchy]

The point is that we'll have 365 days between 11/5/08 and 11/5/09 to develop a functioning system of private, voluntary, contractual defense/court/insurance agencies to cross over to after we dissolve the US Government.

And the government has 365 days to blackbag those who do

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

And the government has 365 days to blackbag those who do

Ha. Someone brought this up in another thread. If by 11/5/2009, the government has disappeared several million people, or even several hundred thousand, it will be the greatest boon to our movement ever.

All those people will be brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, cousins, nephews, nieces, aunts, uncles, friends, co-workers, classmates, spouses, lovers, etc. It would turn the entire American populace against this government.

 

[OferNave]

You're all talking about waiting till Nov 5, 2009 to do this, but there are already large numbers of people in the Free State Project living their lives in that way, right now, as we speak.

http://freestateproject.org/

Many of them hang out here:

http://nhfree.com/

You can watch some of their adventures here:

http://youtube.come/RidleyReport