Who will stand with me?

[AbolishTheGovt]

You're all talking about waiting till Nov 5, 2009 to do this, but there are already large numbers of people in the Free State Project living their lives in that way, right now, as we speak.

http://freestateproject.org/

Many of them hang out here:

http://nhfree.com/

You can watch some of their adventures here:

http://youtube.come/RidleyReport

I was unaware that the Free State Project had, as its goal, to Abolish the Government of the United States of America.

 

[hillbilly123069]

The federal government is out of control.It's a lot of trouble now versus a shit load later.Hmm. Tell me what to do.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

If I abolished one would this imply acceptance of another? I guess my question is do I no longer abide by the rules of the government I abolish? That would make sense right? I like this idea and where it's going.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

If I abolished one would this imply acceptance of another? I guess my question is do I no longer abide by the rules of the government I abolish? That would make sense right? I like this idea and where it's going.

Right.

The goal would be to use the year-long intermission period to build up a framework of voluntary, contractual defense/court/insurance agencies we can switch to when we dissolve the involuntary, anti-contractual government on 11/5/09.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

The federal government is out of control.It's a lot of trouble now versus a shit load later.Hmm. Tell me what to do.

"They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come." -- Patrick Henry

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Right.

The goal would be to use the year-long intermission period to build up a framework of voluntary, contractual defense/court/insurance agencies we can switch to when we dissolve the involuntary, anti-contractual government on 11/5/09.

I read somewhere that there are basically two kinds of sovereignty, recognized as one nation recognizes anothers rights and declarative where a people declare thier soveriegnty as was with the American Revolution a Declaration of Independence since the King never recognized the colonist officially. We need to get legal advice on this great idea! I'm in.

Hell, when 90% of the people want a NO vote and our supposed representatives get bought off and vote YES then WE THE PEPOLE are not being represented! It's not to difficult to understand.

 

[anarchy]

Ha. Someone brought this up in another thread. If by 11/5/2009, the government has disappeared several million people, or even several hundred thousand, it will be the greatest boon to our movement ever.

All those people will be brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, cousins, nephews, nieces, aunts, uncles, friends, co-workers, classmates, spouses, lovers, etc. It would turn the entire American populace against this government.

I already see them spinning this into: 'These homegrown terrorists are planning to take away everything we stand for, we have child molesters, rapists, druggies and other strange characters here. These nutties will be taken away and secured before they do any damage and destroy our system of welfare and sound money'

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

"they tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a british guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the god of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just god who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come." -- patrick henry

+1776

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

Hell, when 90% of the people want a NO vote and our supposed representatives get bought off and vote YES then WE THE PEPOLE are not being represented! It's not to difficult to understand.

It is indeed a somber reflection on our current "representative" system of government. And it shows that even if we had 90% of the American populace behind us, this "representative republic" could still not guarantee the will of the People, or the Constitution, would be upheld. I'm just not seeing how "working through the system" is ever going to get us our liberties, our money, and our lives back. Maybe if we convert ninety one percent of the American public to our cause, then the government will listen...

 

[LibertyForAll]

On Friday night, I posted a thread entitled, "What if we abolished the United States government on the Fifth of November?"

The notion is simple and straightforward.

On the Fifth of November of 2008, a core group (as many of us as are willing) sign a statement declaring our intention to see the United States government abolished on the Fifth of November of 2009. Then, on November 5th, 2009, we abolish it. No violence, no shooting, no destruction of buildings necessary. If we have to act in self-defense, we will, but that will not be the plan.

The Declaration of Independence and many state constitutions (as another thread pointed out) declare that we the People have the right to abolish our government, if we see fit.

My question to my dear friends here is:

How much longer are we going to wait? How much more money is the state going to steal? How much more power is the state going to violate its own constitution and the will of its people to grab? Tell me, how many more lives do we allow the state to take and send off to die in a war of aggression? Where will this end? Where are we going to draw the line?

If the Founders could come visit us in our time and see where we are and see what our government has become. What would they say? I'm almost afraid they would chastise us for not having abolished this government yet. I'm afraid they would say, "Look at what you have allowed to grow! Look at how you let this beast steal from, control, imprison, and kill your fellow countrymen! And you've let it live like this for HOW LONG?"

I have the distinct feeling that if we could ask our Founders what course of action we should take concerning the government right now, they would come back resoundingly saying, "Abolish it, and suffer it not another day to live and thieve and murder."

So, the plan, in a nutshell is this:

On November the Fifth of 2008, we have a core group (as many who are willing) sign a statement of intent to see the United States government abolished by November the Fifth of 2009.

We spend those next 365 days making any and all preparations, gathering as many people as we can to join us, refining our plans concerning how we are going to dissolve the government and how we are going to have a functioning free market system in place for us to switch over to after 11/5/09.

Then on November the Fifth, 2009, millions of us declare, at once, the government of the United States of America hereby abolished. We all simultaneously refuse to have our money taken from us by the government, refuse to acknowledge the legal and judicial authorities, refuse to do the government's military's bidding in harming or killing or restricting the liberties of other people either here or in foreign countries, and we finalize our voluntary contracts with private insurance/security agencies and private court systems to provide our defense services and legal recourse services thenceforth.

So, who will commit to pledging on November the Fifth of 2008, to stand with me on November the Fifth of 2009 and exercise our Declaration-guaranteed right to abolish this government?

We could, if we wanted to, give them a Fifth of November they would truly never, ever forget.

Who will stand with me?





Edit: [Anyone who voted "I will" on this poll, please friend me or send me a message on Ron Paul Forums so we can network.]

You better have some high-ranking military generals on your side if you think this is anything more than daydreaming.
"We The People" even if it were 2 million marching on Washington, to abolish the government, is less than 1% of the population.
What if any group, say for example PETA, decides that they are "We The People" and they have a better system of government. Are they entitled to Abolish the Government?
You have already stated that you would have a free-market system in place in one year to be ready to take over. Well what would you do to all the Americans on Social Security Disability or Retirement? You think they are going to stand with you?
All of us are frustrated with our government, and any meaningful changes will take decades, starting with raising our children and teaching them what is wrong with our government. And educating mainstream adults. And changing mainstream media. That's where the power lies, with the media.
We have seen already that most Americans are not ready to hear the truth, let alone act on it. This election cycle is a glaring example of that.
And if (predicting responses) it's hopeless to change anything peacefully over the long term, how in the world would you propose to get enough people into your frame of mind within one year to forcefully change our system of government?
By stating that you will refuse to acknowlege legal or judicial authorities, you'll have a jail term to deal with.
This poster is one of 3 things:

1)A troll
2)Someone inside government trying to gather information and names of possible anarchists
3) Someone who actually believes in what they are proposing, and is a long-time member here, but afraid to use their original username.

Funny someone would register at the Ron Paul forums and within days advocate abolishing the government, organizing it themselves, and actually getting people on board!! Talk about gullible!

Ok let the flaming begin.

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

Funny someone would register at the Ron Paul forums and within days advocate abolishing the government, organizing it themselves, and actually getting people on board!! Talk about gullible!

Ok let the flaming begin.

I understand your suspicion, but I've been around for a long time: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=161225

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

3) Someone who actually believes in what they are proposing, and is a long-time member here, but afraid to use their original username.

At least make an attempt to pay attention before you try to play Sherlock Holmes.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=161225

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

You better have some high-ranking military generals on your side if you think this is anything more than daydreaming.
"We The People" even if it were 2 million marching on Washington, to abolish the government, is less than 1% of the population.
What if any group, say for example PETA, decides that they are "We The People" and they have a better system of government. Are they entitled to Abolish the Government?
You have already stated that you would have a free-market system in place in one year to be ready to take over. Well what would you do to all the Americans on Social Security Disability or Retirement? You think they are going to stand with you?
All of us are frustrated with our government, and any meaningful changes will take decades, starting with raising our children and teaching them what is wrong with our government. And educating mainstream adults. And changing mainstream media. That's where the power lies, with the media.
We have seen already that most Americans are not ready to hear the truth, let alone act on it. This election cycle is a glaring example of that.
And if (predicting responses) it's hopeless to change anything peacefully over the long term, how in the world would you propose to get enough people into your frame of mind within one year to forcefully change our system of government?
By stating that you will refuse to acknowlege legal or judicial authorities, you'll have a jail term to deal with.

The point of this is to move forward to a system of voluntary, contractual, private defense/court/insurance/etc. agencies, instead of involuntary, anti-contractual, and public-theft-funded government. No one will have to be forced to live under any kind of government. In fact, the folks in the Old Government in Washington DC can still make laws and wear their funny suits and walk around in their goofy looking buildings if they want. And people who want to keep abiding by the dictates of the Old Government are welcome to do so. No one's forcing anyone to do anything. But on 11/5/09, we are going to declare the current government to no longer be involuntary, and we will not allow it to forcefully steal from, enslave, or kill us or our fellow countrymen.

As for folks on Social Security and the like, a free market system that allows for charity will be a much better way to provide for them than the sinking Titanic that is our current welfare system.

You may have a misconception concerning this movement. It IS peaceful. There is no advocacy of killing, shooting, fighting, or blowing up a building. We will make a simple, peaceful declaration and then finalize our contracts with voluntary firms to provide all the services formerly provided to us by the involuntary government.

Libertarians have been waiting and educating for generations now. Maybe if we keep at it, we'll be ready to go in about 4000 years.

And besides, even if we get 90% of the American populace behind us, clearly that's not enough for the government to listen to us or abide by the Constitution, as shown by the recent bailout. The government will do what it wants, even if 90% of Americans oppose it. Hmm, maybe if we get ninety one percent of the American people behind us, the government will listen...?

 

[LibertyForAll]

At least make an attempt to pay attention before you try to play Sherlock Holmes.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=161225

My fault for not reading all of your posts. But it's still a bad idea, IMO.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

It is indeed a somber reflection on our current "representative" system of government. And it shows that even if we had 90% of the American populace behind us, this "representative republic" could still not guarantee the will of the People, or the Constitution, would be upheld. I'm just not seeing how "working through the system" is ever going to get us our liberties, our money, and our lives back. Maybe if we convert ninety one percent of the American public to our cause, then the government will listen...

A very valid point indeed. We are governed by lobbyist,corporations, and special interest who wish only to see that thier interest are attened to. If it were true that it was the reverse then we surely would have seen a rejection of the bailout.

 

[raiha]

I will (in spirit) hah! cop out i know but i live in and am an ENZED citizen. If I were American id be there with bells on!!

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

I will (in spirit) hah! cop out i know but i live in and am an ENZED citizen. If I were American id be there with bells on!!

Your support and good wishes are most welcome.

 

[CGeoffrion]

If I could, I would sign this CGEOFFRION John Hancock style, let the revolution sing!

 

[AbolishTheGovt]

If I could, I would sign this CGEOFFRION John Hancock style, let the revolution sing!

Once we all get a Statement of Intentions drafted (feel free to make your suggestions here in this thread), we'll try to have it up by the Fifth of November, 2008, and a way for you to submit your signature.

 

[OferNave]

I was unaware that the Free State Project had, as its goal, to Abolish the Government of the United States of America.

I never said it does. That's a straw man attack.

Your idea is to "abolish the government" by getting a bunch of people to basically start ignoring it in thirteen months. Well, many of the members of the FSP who have already moved to New Hampshire are already living that way, and are pioneering that lifestyle.

They are actually doing it, right now. Not just talking about it, and not waiting for X number of people to sign some kind of declaration.