What's Going on at the Bundy Ranch?

DGambler said:
Can someone please summarize? I'm waaaaay behind.
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We're freakin screwed, people across the internet are throwing OathKeepers to the dogs. Some piece of crap 'militia' guy, is saying Stewart Rhodes is lucky he doesn't shoot him. Called him a deserter.
 
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Pericles said:
Forging the paper is easy, but what can't be forged is the memories of the people. As a platoon leader or Troop commander, I knew everybody in the unit. At higher levels, obviously I did not know everybody in the BN or BDE, but we should remember some people in common (like who was the BN or BDE commander). In small close knit units like SF or the Rangers, as soon as somebody shows with those credentials, the conversations start - you were there when ... and have you heard what X did after you left? When the people who were in the unit at the same time you were don't remember you, it is because you were never there.

As soon as I mention 214s, many vets mention that is not an assurance of competence - and it is not. It is a verification that the claim of a skill or award or assignment is credible.
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Thanks for the info.

So again I wonder why Ryan Payne "froze up" when asked some questions? Watch from 17:15 to 18:15:

http://youtu.be/AmxvpkOC3kY?t=17m15s
 
pcosmar said:
I would like to remind you that this is NOT just about Cliven and cows this is about WE THE PEOPLE! This is about OUR Constitutional Rights, OUR State Sovereignty, OUR Freedom, and about the Government OVER stepping their bounds, and controlling EVERYONE and EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT!
-LOVE, The Bundys
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I respect ranchers trying to make a life of independence raising cattle that represent a non corporate food source. I respect all efforts to defend their right to do that.

The Bundys properly paint a larger picture. That is what I need to see addressed.

"this is NOT just about Cliven and cows this is about WE THE PEOPLE! This is about OUR Constitutional Rights, OUR State Sovereignty, OUR Freedom,"

This entire event has no long term, widespread interest strategy of law to address ANY of the above issues.

The best aspect of the entire thing is real publicity breaking the media stonewall on the people's efforts. BUT, how was that used? What "long term, widespread interest strategy of law" was communicated in that breach of the media stonewall? Something that the rest of the nation can pick up and run with to address the issues the Bundys and the rest of the nation has with the federal government OVERSTEPPING their bounds, abusing their power and neglecting, with special interests, their duty in service to the people. There was none because outside of the principal party there isn't any. There is only candidates and the usual partisan politics.

The BLM was backed down?

Quite an achievement but the publicity it gained was NOT applied to long term function and goals for "WE THE PEOPLE".

pcosmar said:
And the Oath Keepers did not get the Militia there. They did not organize the defense,, the Rifles that surrounded and backed down the BLM.
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I have great respect for each individual that showed up armed to defend the rights of the Bundys in this case.

klamath said:
The angry loonytoons are destroying the good thing of making the BLM back down. They all should have left shortly after that. People staying now are just wanting to play war. The BLM will just wait it out until the money runs out or they have to go in as peacekeepers when the militia and OK's get into a shootout at OK corral. It will make a great story for a movie at the expense of the very important issues brought up by this event.
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However, the issue of states rights was the only "very important" issue "brought up" with no plan to enforce them outside of a rifle call to militias. this while across the nation law enforcement is murdering people and the public has no recourse, no constitutional courts to find justice through.

William Tell said:
Give us enough rope and we hang ourselves, or at least call each other traitors.
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Cognitive infiltration opposing constitutional defense IS treason. That infiltration stopped an effort to create an understanding of how to use constitutional law within a strategy which can create long term, widespread change through empowering the people of states to enforce the 1787 constitution.

The simple concept of America preparing for Article V; and its foolish to consider Article V without bring prepared; is something that could remove artificially created fears of Article V by the powers that be for the last 60 years.

But no. Cognitive infiltration stopped public interest in ending the abridging of free speech here in this forum and most simply thought it was the bad boy trolls slapping a self interested attention seeker around with their social click.

I mean everyone has their own opinion right? However, there is only one constitution and accountability to opinions on that is EVERYONE'S interest.

So wake UP to the unaccountability to the legal issues that completely control constitutional defense. The NWO DOES NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW how to defend and enforce the 1787 constitution. Article V is really the only thing that can stop them when 3/4 of the states are ratifying.

Accordingly, when logically valid strategy is put forth, based in the constitution, no matter how idealistic it may sound outside of media buzz or the rally of BS the unaccountable infiltrators keep afloat. DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY from those that diminish the constitutional rights you have. If you do not see the accountability, consider the diminishments in service to the NWO, because they are, any way it can be viewed.
 
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Tod said:
First few seconds of the video, he is introduced by Stewart as Robert Casillas, member of oath keepers and a III%er and a marine veteran.
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Ok..he made a long post on the OK FB page. He said he was not an OK until after he came to the ranch..apparently he was one of the earlier militia members there.
 
phill4paul said:
It's just a bunch of B.S. propaganda. Not worth the traffic and really adds no more to the conversation and links here.
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There is a lot of that,, which is why I posted #371

No mention of it at all from the Bundy Ranch,, but there is some defense of the militia,, and they refute the story of locals being terrorized.
 
phill4paul said:
It's just a bunch of B.S. propaganda. Not worth the traffic and really adds no more to the conversation and links here.
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I broke the link so it doesn't link here unless someone edits it in the post then clicks on it from here. It's the comments over there ....those people would love to see every militia member killed and given that it is an uber Dem bastion it just fuels the fire for the PTB.
 
So The Oathkeepers main objective the whole time was not to help, but to co-opt the whole thing? wow I hope these people don't all end up shooting each other to death
 
Email from Carol Bundy:

It's CRIMINAL COMPLAINT TIME

We believe that the BLM acted illegally.
We have decided to file reports at the Sheriff's Office.
Together we can take real action!!

If you were with us at any of the events the week of April 5-12,
when the BLM was threatening us all, we encourage you to join us and
file a Criminal Report with the Clark County Sheriffs office.

Join us Tomorrow morning at 10am as we file our Criminal Reports at
the Clark County Sheriffs office in Las Vegas NV. You do not need to
be a resident of Clark County or the state of Nevada to file a Criminal Report.

The Clark County Sheriffs office is open daily 8am-4pm and you can
file your Criminal Report anytime.

But, if you want to join us, we will be there tomorrow morning May 2nd at 10am.

If you witnessed or were subjected to any of the following crimes,
please come and file a report with us:

Men blocking access to public land
Men blocking public roads
Men harassing people for taking photos
Men impersonating Police officers
Men claiming to be a police officer and refusing to show valid identification
Men threatening to use Tasers
Men threatening to fire upon unarmed civilians
Men using attack dogs
Men pointing weapons
Assault

We believe that the BLM men who pointed guns at over 1,000 people
on April 12th near the I-15 freeway south of Mesquite committed a
criminal act and that the Clark County Sheriffs office should be required
to investigate.

The only way to get the Clark County Sheriffs office to investigate is to
file and personal, individual "Criminal Report" with the Sheriffs office.

Simply calling them will not do it. We need as many of you as possible
to go down to the Sheriffs office and file a formal "Criminal Report".

It is time we took some real action and the first step is to request the
Sheriffs office take a stand one way or the other on how the BLM
behaved throughout this period.

Location: Clark County Sheriffs office
400 So Martin Luther King Blvd
Building C
Las Vegas NV

Map Click Here: Sheriffs Office Map

Time: 10am Friday May 2nd

If you cannot join us in the morning please visit the Sheriffs office
any day between 8am-4pm and file a report about what happened to you.

Some may say this won't do any good. That is not true. We must use
the legal system to put a stop to this sort of activity.

This is your chance to make a difference!

We need as many of you as possible to file a formal "Criminal Report"
in order for the full gravity of what happened to be properly documented
and dealt with in an official capacity.

Please don't let this opportunity to make the Sheriff do his job slip away.

Love,
-Carol

PS - Please pass this along to anyone who you may know that was with us when the BLM men were threatening us all.
 
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