What's Going on at the Bundy Ranch?

Or for that matter how the Oath Keepers were considered as running the security for the ranch.

They were not,, despite their claims. The Militias were running security.. And the Oath Keepers were welcome to help.. but at no time have they been in charge of it.

According to Rhodes they had run the idea of an outlier security patrol through Jerry and were approved for it. Not camp security but a roads and trails observation detail. Again, info from M. Vanderboegh and O.K.. I do not know the truth. Only info I have gleaned from the various sources.
 
Sooo, what do the Bundy's say about all this ? I'd like to know.

There's a Bundy Ranch FB page that says Clive has prepared a series of videos but you have to get on an email list to see them and no clue what they address.
 
I trust Mike Vanderboergh's judgement on this. If you haven't read his analysis, then you should.
 
Here....



And there are several posts going back for earlier remarks on the situation if you click on "older posts."

One thing is for sure, the Fruits and Nuts should have been shown the door. On site and in the midst of a crisis does not sound like the time to be trying to vet people. Unfortunately I'm sure that was due to the Call to Arms stuff that was posted all over the internet.
 
Not much. But they did put the Operation Mutual Aid mission Statement on their blog.

http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/2014/04/mission-statement.html

And Ryan Payne is the Organizer of OMA.

And they did post this after the Nonexistent Drone strike,


http://bundyranch.blogspot.com/2014/04/good-morning-just-wanted-to-let-you-all.html

I prefer a YouTube, please. It was demanded of Stewart ... black shirt dude sure did one. How about you Mr. Bundy ? At this point in the circle jerk - everything is just noise until "we" hear from Bundy.

One this is VERY clear. Oath Keepers is thinking about the children involved. Thank God. (and it's funny the mother even said - God wants her to be there - (or something like that) The Lord works in mysterious ways, ya know it.

This leads me to question "blackshirt guy" immediately.
 
So now "we" have a blackshirt guy who doesn't mind childrens best interest inmind of a drone strike AND will shoot people in the back. Is anyone seeing a pattern here ? :cool:
 
:mad: I couldn't find an 'I'm disappointed in you' icon. If he is lying about being a Ranger, that would be like Stewart lying about being a constitutional attorney. You would FRY Stewart for that (even if you do hate lawyers). I see inconsistency here.

Look, Payne could have made it real easy... just answer a few simple questions to those in the know... and he would not answer. Why? And maybe someone can answer this... how hard would it be for a government infiltrator to get a phony background with all the needed paperwork?

Forging the paper is easy, but what can't be forged is the memories of the people. As a platoon leader or Troop commander, I knew everybody in the unit. At higher levels, obviously I did not know everybody in the BN or BDE, but we should remember some people in common (like who was the BN or BDE commander). In small close knit units like SF or the Rangers, as soon as somebody shows with those credentials, the conversations start - you were there when ... and have you heard what X did after you left? When the people who were in the unit at the same time you were don't remember you, it is because you were never there.

As soon as I mention 214s, many vets mention that is not an assurance of competence - and it is not. It is a verification that the claim of a skill or award or assignment is credible.
 
Payne's military experience in his own words:

I enlisted in the US Army at the age of 17, and served in F-Co, 51st Infantry, the 18th Airborne Corps Long Range Surveillance Company, a Ranger unit developed during Vietnam as Long Range Patrol, used for missions deep inside enemy controlled territory. I was discharged as a Sergeant/E5, Assistant Team Leader of a LRS Team in 2006. I was involved in the initial invasion of Iraq, OIF I, and returned at the end of 2004 for OIF III. My team planned and executed numerous combat missions in theater, usually at great distance from friendly support. I am not highly decorated nor was I an exceptional member of the unit, but I did the best job I could, and have attempted to hold myself to the Ranger Creed, in service to my country, my community, my family, and employers. Since leaving the service I have pursued a career in multiple facets of construction as an electrician, certified structural welding inspector, cell tower construction project manager, and general construction contractor. I have started and ran 2 companies, both of which saw their end due to government regulations. I moved my family, wife and 2 boys, to Montana from California in order to build a homestead and secure my family, as well as join a local militia unit. I found that there were no such units in the area, so I started one with the help of some dedicated local gentlemen, the West Mountain Rangers, 41st Mountain Field Force.
 
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I don't.
But I have been watching close from the beginning,, and non stop since.

and I think Gary Hunt has about the best analysis,, so far. I would like to hear directly from the Militia that are in the field,, but they are not media personalities.

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=823

As Payne's OMA is the militia arm of Gary Hunt's Committee of Safety movement, I would expect agreement among the two.
 
I don't.
But I have been watching close from the beginning,, and non stop since.

and I think Gary Hunt has about the best analysis,, so far. I would like to hear directly from the Militia that are in the field,, but they are not media personalities.

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=823

Just an observation. Jerry took over leadership from Bill Keebler. From some quick sleuthing Keebler is a member of O.K. from Utah. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/10...pecial-civilization-preservation-teams/?cp=44
 
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