What's Going on at the Bundy Ranch?

[AuH20]

I never knew Don Shipley worked for Blackwater after he retired.

 

[pcosmar]

C'mon Pete, if you haven't heard me say it before, you have my respect. I've seen you post that picture before and I believe you are sincere, I just think you are off base when it comes to Stewart.

And from what I am seeing,,you may be off base with Payne..

As for me,, I don't care if he turned wrenches in a motor pool. He was there and organized the force that turned the BLM around,,

It would be unfortunate if he lied about his credentials,, but he wouldn't be the first or the last to do so.

I really don't see the point in denigrating him,, and that causes me to lean toward his defense (as if he needs it)

You asked me so I ask you,, What will you say if he turns out to be exactly who he said he is?

Will there be apologies coming from those maligning him? (I kind of doubt it)

 

[fr33]

The same applies to you. Will you apologize if he's proven to be a liar about his past or will you just ignore it and continue bashing the others.

 

[VegasPatriot]

And from what I am seeing,,you may be off base with Payne..

As for me,, I don't care if he turned wrenches in a motor pool. He was there and organized the force that turned the BLM around,,

It would be unfortunate if he lied about his credentials,, but he wouldn't be the first or the last to do so.

I really don't see the point in denigrating him,, and that causes me to lean toward his defense (as if he needs it)

You asked me so I ask you,, What will you say if he turns out to be exactly who he said he is?

Will there be apologies coming from those maligning him? (I kind of doubt it)

Of course I will apologize, and not just me, OK as well. I have no doubt. Like I've said, we are not perfect, but we are honest and will admit when we are wrong.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Consider gunny has no way to determine who unconditionally supports the constitution or not. And, he doesn't accept that query upon constitutional intent can do such a thing.

Basically I see former military personal using their military social conditioning and the tenets of it which were applied by the infiltration following the civil war. Since that time the gold fringed flag has hung in courts and official buildings. It puts the roman eagle over the flag which is treason as well as the fringe.

That military conditioning has nothing to do with the 1787 constitution. In fact if asked to participate in defense of the 1787 constitution they feel as if it is treason, because it goes against the roman army conditioning they learned.

All it takes is a handful of cognitive infiltrators that are of that military AND in agreement with solidarity, to cause the military social fears to rule the entire group.

Critical thinking in this situation would indicate that, Reid, the blm and OK have been given a place to exercise what they know through bundy, and unwittingly, (for the sincere) contribute to the erroneous notion that violent rebellion is needed or can succeed.

If the 1787 constitution and the republic under it is to be restored, civilians will be the leaders.

 

[Tod]

Well, whether Ryan Payne has the credentials claimed makes no difference to me. Based on what I saw in that video he has no business in a leadership role and I wouldn't follow his lead.

 

[pcosmar]

The same applies to you. Will you apologize if he's proven to be a liar about his past or will you just ignore it and continue bashing the others.

If he is then he is,, I have nothing to apologies for. All I have done is point out that the Black Shirt Guy as he was called,,was actually one of the original organizers of the Militia Response at Bundy Ranch. Which he was,, regardless of what his past may be.

And that OK's reaction to yet another bogus scare was an overreaction, Which it was.

 

[Tod]

Consider gunny has no way to determine who unconditionally supports the constitution or not. And, he doesn't accept that query upon the constitution can do such a thing.

Basically I see former military personal using their military social conditioning and the tenets of it which were applied by the infiltration following the civil war. Since that time the gold fringed flag has hung on courts and official buildings. It puts the roman eagle over the flag which is treason as well as the fringe.

That military conditioning has nothing to do with the 1787 constitution. In fact if asked to participate in defense of the 1787 constitution they feel as if it is treason, because it goes against the roman army conditioning they learned.

All it takes is a handful of vognitive infiltrators that are of that military AND in agreement with solidarity, to cause the military social fears to rule the entire group.

If the 1787 constitution and the republic under it is to be restored, civilians will be the leaders.

I've read a few of your posts in this thread and I must admit I have a hard time understanding the gist of them. I must be dense.

 

[pcosmar]

I must be dense.

Nope. not necessarily.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gobbledygook

 

[VegasPatriot]

If he is then he is,, I have nothing to apologies for. All I have done is point out that the Black Shirt Guy as he was called,,was actually one of the original organizers of the Militia Response at Bundy Ranch. Which he was,, regardless of what his past may be.

And that OK's reaction to yet another bogus scare was an overreaction, Which it was.

I couldn't find an 'I'm disappointed in you' icon. If he is lying about being a Ranger, that would be like Stewart lying about being a constitutional attorney. You would FRY Stewart for that (even if you do hate lawyers). I see inconsistency here.

Look, Payne could have made it real easy... just answer a few simple questions to those in the know... and he would not answer. Why? And maybe someone can answer this... how hard would it be for a government infiltrator to get a phony background with all the needed paperwork?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I've read a few of your posts in this thread and I must admit I have a hard time understanding the gist of them. I must be dense.

LOL, no; this guy lives in a meticulously constructed fantasy world, that nobody but him can understand. Anybody who does not agree with his meticulously constructed fantasy world is an enemy of his constitution. That includes those of us who uphold and defend the US Constitution. Last time I got into it with this guy, somewone repped me with links to some other boards he's been banned from. We are getting a very mild form of this man's crazy. There s a much much deeper well of crazy than what you can see from this guy here.

Nope. not necessarily.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gobbledygook

What he said.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

I've read a few of your posts in this thread and I must admit I have a hard time understanding the gist of them. I must be dense.

You are not dense. I've read your posting. You cognit and intuit well.

There is a problem that you don't really see and certainly do not understand. Accordingly the solution is not understood.

Check the legal and historical points I bring up first. You will find they are all accurate. That is why there is no opposition to this post. It is a real plan based in the fundaments of the law of the land (1787).

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...V-convention&p=5433668&viewfull=1#post5433668

Then note that no one in the bundy scenario has an actual plan except being ready for violence.
Also note that what is happening is a bunch of social haggling about command or power.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

LOL, no; this guy lives in a meticulously constructed fantasy world

Ideals and fantasy are different. Yes, idealistic.

However the purpose of free speech IS to assure that information vital to survival is shared and understood.

Are you going to deny that?

That includes those of us who uphold and defend the US Constitution

Note that gunny DOES NOT acknowledge the 1787 constitution. He refers to what he learned about the constitution from the military.

The inftration/takeover following the civil war abandoned the 1787 constitution covertly, and secretly reinstated English/roman rule. Hence the gold fringed flag.

Gunny tries to diminish the 1787 constitution by referring to it as "my constitution", but the DOI before it is well represented in all that I post relating to constitutional intent. It is not mine, it is ours. I simply understand it.

 

[fr33]

If he is then he is,, I have nothing to apologies for. All I have done is point out that the Black Shirt Guy as he was called,,was actually one of the original organizers of the Militia Response at Bundy Ranch. Which he was,, regardless of what his past may be.

And that OK's reaction to yet another bogus scare was an overreaction, Which it was.

Dude, it's entirely possible that you would have cheered for Tim McVeigh today. Yeah, let's (Ryan) threaten to shoot someone over bad intel that our bosses gave them. Hey Timmy/Ryan was present at some other incident so that gives them credibility.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Ideals and fantasy are different. Yes, idealistic.

However the purpose of free speech IS to assure that information vital to survival is shared and understood.

Are you going to deny that?

Who, outside of your fevered mind, claims that the purpose of free speech is to take photographs of crucifixes in a jar of urine?

Note that gunny DOES NOT acknowledge the 1787 constitution. He refers to what he learned about the constitution from the military.

Once again stating products of your own fevered imagination as though they were facts. The word "Constitution" never came up during my enlistment outside of the Oath. I knew the Constitution from childhood. By reading it, and the Federalist Papers, and the Anti-Federalist Papers, and the correspondences and convention notes of the Framers.

Still, I am sure that your own imagination is far more attractive to you than the actual, you know, TRUTH.

The inftration/takeover following the civil war abandoned the 1787 constitution covertly, and secretly reinstated English/roman rule. Hence the gold fringed flag.

The US Constitution was abandoned by this nation in 1803. You are about 60 years late to the party fella.

Gunny tries to diminish the 1787 constitution by referring to it as "my constitution", but the DOI before it is well represented in all that I post relating to constitutional intent. It is not mine, it is ours. I simply understand it.

No, I uphold and defend the US Constitution ratified in 1787. YOU, on the other hand, have some figment of the imagination you refuse to define, you call it a 'constitution,' and you claim that anybody who doesn't worship you, hates the constitution.

Your arguments are so blatantly absurd and transparent that you are pretty much the only person on the planet who buys your line of dren.

 

[MelissaCato]

Pete, I've listened to the whole thing, there is no mention of a woman they were trying to get to leave. However there is a woman on the blackshirt clip screeching something about the OKs.

Huh ? In the OK clip - Stewart talks about a lady and her children whom he advised of the drone threat and offered her and her children a hotel room so they wouldn't be in the area if indeed a drone showed up. I heard it. Evidently, the lady didn't like that idea and said she and her kids are not leaving. Started screaming at the OK's and black shirt's people got hostile. That's how I understand it after listening.

Kinda trivial if you ask me. Either way - Steward did the right thing to offer her and her kids safety. IMO. I mean someone had to look out for the kids that were there.

 

[phill4paul]

Sipsey Street Irregulars weigh in.......http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Who, outside of your fevered mind, claims that the purpose of free speech is to take photographs of crucifixes in a jar of urine?

That is your idea of the purpose of free speech and you make it clear.

The word "Constitution" never came up during my enlistment outside of the Oath.

Ignoring both the constitution and the oath and admitting it. Interesting. Cognitive infiltrators will not give up because they have nothing to lose. They just hope people reading are ignorant and wanton enough to believe them.

The US Constitution was abandoned by this nation in 1803. You are about 60 years late to the party fella.

In 1803 it was seen the courts were trying to gain the power to overide the constitution, but Article V makes it clear 3/4 of the states ratifying have absoolute control over the constitution while congress and courts are left out.
At least I recognize the purpose of free speech and can therefore work with other humans, if and when they understand how to survive free with rights.

No, I uphold and defend the US Constitution ratified in 1787.

By BS'ing about who runs what ring in a circus in the desert trying to dominate the notion of constitutional defense with thinly veiled support for violent revolution?

you call it a 'constitution,' and you claim that anybody who doesn't worship you, hates the constitution.

I don't claim either of those things. I claim we need to use to constitution to defend the constitution and every post I've made uses the constitution.

You on the other hand only mention our first right, Article V to make people afraid, or free speech to put it down.

 

[phill4paul]

That is your idea of the purpose of free speech and you make it clear.



Ignoring both the constitution and the oath and admitting it. Interesting. Cognitive infiltrators will not give up because they have nothing to lose. They just hope people reading are ignorant and wanton enough to believe them.



At least I recognize the purpose of free speech and can therefore work with other humans, if and when they understand how to survive free with rights.



By BS'ing about who runs what ring in a circus in the desert trying to dominate the notion of constitutional defense with thinly veiled support for violent revolution?



I don't claim either of those things. I claim we need to use to constitution to defend the constitution and every post I've made uses the constitution.

You on the other hand only mention our first right, Article V to make people afraid, or free speech to piss on it.

Take it to the damn thread you made regarding this. NOT in this thread. Neg rep and reported.

 

[Christopher A. Brown]

Take it to the damn thread you made regarding this. NOT in this thread. Neg rep and reported.

So we now learn your regard for honest, reasonable debate for the principles of the constitution and how to defend them.
I've made no thread to do what you suggest.

I'm here to point out that this entire Bunkerville escapade is thinly veiled support for violent revolution trying to make people somehow think it can work.