What's Going on at the Bundy Ranch?

[phill4paul]

Either way I don't like him.

When shit like this is going on you don't air dirty laundry unless you have an agenda.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

When shit like this is going on you don't air dirty laundry unless you have an agenda.

I guess you haven't met this group of folks I know, called "libertarians..."

 

[tod evans]

I don't fedbook, could one of you who does please give a synopsis?

 

[Tod]

I don't fedbook, could one of you who does please give a synopsis?

I've posted about all there is of significance on THAT facebook page. In other words: not much. (is it even the real ok page? there is another one that is a closed group https://www.facebook.com/groups/OathkeeperPatriots/ and zillion other pages with the name Oath Keeper in the name)

 

[Tod]

What I find most interesting about the "Bombshell" video is how the guy in the black shirt is trying to force the issue on splitting the group by having people vote that Stewart and pals are deserters who will not be "allowed" back on the property. Why is this Jerry DeLemus meekly following? He was supposed to be the head of ranch security. That the guy in the black shirt is pushing that raises red flags for me.

Now, where is Stewart and why silent?

 

[Weston White]

The account for that YouTube video has now been 86'ed.

This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.
Sorry about that.

 

[pcosmar]

The account for that YouTube video has now been 86'ed.

Yes is has,,
Can anyone tell me what was in it? I have heard several bits of things from several places.. But cannot verify all.

Seems there is an issue with conflicting leadership.

And while I appreciate the Oath Keepers showing up,, They are not Militia.. They have distanced themselves from Militia in the past.. And have conflicted with the Militia on this scene.
Oath Keepers are educational and political.. And the LE side has a serious conflict of interests at times.

Folks (from reports I have heard) Have been run off..

The militia was on this scene before the Oath Keepers showed up. It is not their show.

 

[TruckinMike]

What I find most interesting about the "Bombshell" video is how the guy in the black shirt is trying to force the issue on splitting the group by having people vote that Stewart and pals are deserters who will not be "allowed" back on the property. Why is this Jerry DeLemus meekly following? He was supposed to be the head of ranch security. That the guy in the black shirt is pushing that raises red flags for me.

Now, where is Stewart and why silent?

Yep. If I were a fed tasked with disrupting Bundy's supporters the first thing that I would do would create dissention, distrust, and devide. Black shirt is doing his job handily. Nice uniform too. It Stands out among folks as to be easily identified by his own troops(the feds) in case violence breaks out and/or for easy identification in video footage in a future court case.

Curious, does this guy dress similar everyday?

As for Jerry, Blackshirt probably recognized that jerry had to be on his side. Being a professional at what he does he won Jerry's trust/confidence via long midnight campfire chats etc..

To be sure my post is pure speculation based on what I've read here. Hopefully the boots on the ground will shake all this out without any more drama.

 

[Carlybee]

I've posted about all there is of significance on THAT facebook page. In other words: not much. (is it even the real ok page? there is another one that is a closed group https://www.facebook.com/groups/OathkeeperPatriots/ and zillion other pages with the name Oath Keeper in the name)

There hasn't been a response video posted yet and people are being impatient and rude. Yes that is the OK page for OK.org

 

[FloralScent]

The man running that "meeting" in the black shirt is a cointel agent.

Either way I don't like him.

Anyone publicly airing any internal disagreements is a cointel agent, or at the very least a moron and should be marked as such.

 

[Carlybee]

Anyone publicly airing any internal disagreements is a cointel agent, or at the very least a moron and should be marked as such.

Yeah not sure why they are putting this out for public consumption. And that Buddha guy saying OK will not be allowed back is a pretty absolute to be engaging in.

 

[pcosmar]

I am hearing a lot of bashing of Ryan Payne. Apparently from Operation Mutual Aid,, a coordination of several militia groups.

He was on the scene days before the OathKeepers were even mentioned. He was there days before Mike V of Sipsy Street.

There were Militia there working with the Bundys,, and backing the Bundys before all the folks showed up to take credit after the fact.

Jerry of the Oath Keepers (and Becks 9/12 group) showed up when it was over,, and became the Leader of the Oath Keepers group.. I have seen several Militia Comments that question the direction and leadership of the OK.

I am not there. But it seems that Politics and PR is getting in the way of actual defense.

 

[MelissaCato]

I think what's happening here is .. America never had to do anything quite like this for hundreds of years .. emotions are running high and ego's are setting in. That dude in the black shirt in the video sounds to me like a plant.

I mean, I'm sure the Federal Government wanted control of the situation before anyone of us or outside the Bundy's knew what was about to go down.

Either way, I'm glad the OathKeepers got involved.

It was prolly the Federal Government that tipped off about a drone strike so that OathKeepers would relocate.

Sad thing is ... the dude in the black shirt flat out said his group would shoot OathKeepers in the back. Who does that ?

 

[pcosmar]

I think what's happening here is .. America never had to do anything quite like this for hundreds of years .. emotions are running high and ego's are setting in. That dude in the black shirt in the video sounds to me like a plant.

So the guy that was organixzing militias and on the ground organizing the defense against the Feds is a plant..

But the guys who showed up after to mug for the cameras aren't.

Do a Google search..( Ryan Payne mutual aid). In fact you will see his name mentioned with other Militia calls over a year before this.

You will see his name mentioned at the very beginning,, before Oath Keepers were even involved,, in fact he was calling for them and others support.
Before the standoff. After the standoff the Oath Keepers have taken the stage..

But they were not the 500 Rifles that backed the feds off.

 

[MelissaCato]

I dunno pcosmar ... just giving my opinion.

Maybe because I'm a lady, I dunno. But, dude in the black shirt saying his group will shoot OathKeepers in the back if they return .. kinda got my panties in a bunch. Just saying.

 

[pcosmar]

What's Going on at the Bundy Ranch?

Another perspective,

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/

 

[MelissaCato]

Besides, if there would have been a drone strike - and groups of people didn't relocate - we could have lost them all in one shot.

How stupid is that ?

 

[pcosmar]

I dunno pcosmar ... just giving my opinion.

Maybe because I'm a lady, I dunno. But, dude in the black shirt saying his group will shoot OathKeepers in the back if they return .. kinda got my panties in a bunch. Just saying.

Read the link I just posted.

Some things may not be as they appear.. and some "friends" are not.

Thursday afternoon, DeLemus was warning others not to come to Bunkerville because “we don’t want an escalation.”
DeLemus said, if a confrontation was to unfold, they would likely be obliterated by federal firepower. DeLemus said he is concerned that more people would enter harm’s way if the number of activists keeps swelling at the Bundy Ranch.
“We’d be able to bloody their noses a little … but we wouldn’t stand a chance,” DeLemus said.

A rather interesting lack of confidence for someone who has just taken charge, and assumed control, over all personnel except the Bundy family.

DeLemus didn’t arrive until well after that event, though upon reporting to the Militia Liaison, and he was delegated to assist Bill Keebler in maintaining organization within the militia camp. DeLemus then “relieved Keebler of “command”, asserting his authority over the entire militia contingent. In subsequent efforts for the Militia Liaison to work with, and pass direction on, from the Bundys, he was responded to with, “These are my guys, you must go through me if you’d like access to them”; “This is my camp and this is my command”; and “Just stay away from here.” Clearly, this late comer, who arrived after the Saturday event, has no known militia ties, had wrested control of the militia operation, even to the point of ignoring the Militia Liaison, which had been the means of communication and of the Bundys means of seeking assistance or requesting any activity of the militia contingent. Rather scary that what had functioned so well, all the way up to and beyond the Saturday event, was now being taken over by someone that had no dog in the fight, and was unwilling to relinquish any “power” that he had assumed, if to the extent of the previously fluid communication between the Bundys and the militia.

Now, to understand the role of the Militia Liaison, first established and approved by the Bundys. The Militia Liaison arrived at the ranch on April 8. He met with Cliven Bundy and explained that Operation Mutual Aid (OMA) had sent requests for militia to come to the ranch, and he had come to coordinate their activity. It was agreed that he would be the interface (liaison) between the family and the militia, and he agreed that a force of volunteers would could serve in the capacity of a Security Team (Personal Security Detail – PSD), to provide immediate protection for the family. These, however, would be detached for the militia contingent, while serving in that capacity.

 

[limequat]

Soo...
Put a tail on blackshirt and find out who his handler is?

 

[pcosmar]

Soo...
Put a tail on blackshirt and find out who his handler is?

He ain't a concern. He was involved in the Militia and with Operation Mutual Aid long before this event.

He was involved with the Defense of the Ranch before Oath Keepers even showed up. And in some other Militia Calls (alerts) elsewhere in the past.

And from this.. it may be that the situation has been resolved.

I understand, from the militia liaison, that the problem has been resolved, and the Jerry DeLemus has become cooperative and agreed to a shared command -- working well with others.



I am pleased that this turned out the way that it did, and I Applaud Jerry for his change of tactic and realizing that the responsibility, and command, must be shared by those able to demonstrate their abilities to participate, together, to achieve the objective.



As difficult as this troublesome as this subject has become, it was a discussion that had to take place. We may not have time to address this at the next event, so with this now openly on the table, we have an example of cooperation that will serve to avoid the same, in the future.



So, again, my applause to Jerry and to all of the others who participated in finding a solution to a problem, that could have, in the future, been very destructive.



Gary Hunt, Outpost of Freedom