What is happening to Christianity today? Take a look at this example

[heavenlyboy34]

Not all,, most do. Some churches do not register as corporations for tax purposes.

http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/296/State-Owned-Churches-Are-Killing-America.aspx
http://www.creationliberty.com/articles/501c3.php

That's true. I just now recalled that many are autoceapholous (self-governing), though I hear of this sort of thing more from the Orthodox than from Protestants. (I've thus far never heard of an autoceapholous Protestant church, but I wouldn't mind being corrected)

 

[Terry1]

You can't force people to live a moral lifestyle, but the government exists to protect the rights of others, and abortion infringes on the rights of the unborn child to live. It should be a very important principle for all Christians to believe that life should be protected at all stages, in my opinion. We should generally be free to do what we want to do, but the rights of others can't be infringed upon.

So, do you believe that the federal government should maintain control of the abortion issue instead handing that power over to the people of the states to decide? I agree that we should protect the unborn child and I'm pro-life, but I don't agree that I should be forced by the federal government to fund the choices of others to kill their unborn babies.

This power needs to be given back to the people to decide for themselves on a state level by vote. They should be the ones free to make their own choices.

If the government wasn't using our tax dollars to fund these abortions--many would be avoided simply for no other reason than they couldn't afford it. Do you realize how many abortions are funded by tax dollars?

 

[fr33]

They might be using MDMA

 

[heavenlyboy34]

So, do you believe that the federal government should maintain control of the abortion issue instead handing that power over to the people of the states to decide? I agree that we should protect the unborn child and I'm pro-life, but I don't agree that I should be forced by the federal government to fund the choices of others to kill their unborn babies.

This power needs to be given back to the people to decide for themselves on a state level by vote. They should be the ones free to make their own choices.

If the government wasn't using our tax dollars to fund these abortions--many would be avoided simply for no other reason than they couldn't afford it. Do you realize how many abortions are funded by tax dollars?

I don't see how any branch or level or government has any right-natural or otherwise-to do decide that murdering the unborn is okay. I'd love to see your reasoning.

 

[robert68]

+ reps
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to eduardo89 again.

He also believes (along with his amener's here probably) that "Expressing atheistic, socialist, and 'progressive' opinions should be illegal." Do you agree with that too, just curious?

 

[acptulsa]

Somebody +rep this guy^^, plz.

Why? Will the indulgence bribe me out of a few weeks in Purgatory?

 

[Terry1]

I don't see how any branch or level or government has any right-natural or otherwise-to do decide that murdering the unborn is okay. I'd love to see your reasoning.

I agree with Ron Paul on the abortion issue. The reason we have the problem we have today is because the feds have control of this issue. We can't keep handing power over to the federal government, is has to be the choice of the people of the states.

 

[Terry1]

He also believes (along with his amener's here probably) that "Expressing atheistic, socialist, and 'progressive' opinions should be illegal." Do you agree with that too, just curious?

I've never seen ed state such, but no--I wouldn't agree with that either. Censorship is a slippery slope and when we give that power to government it will inevitably affect everyone to some degree. It's like shooting oneself in the foot. The FFR (Freedom From Religion) people have been attempting to censor all religious beliefs too. How long before we end up like China and third world countries who are murdering, torturing and persecuting people because they choose to believe differently no matter how peaceful it is?

That kind of mindset will definitely send us spiraling into bondage of the third world status and all freedom and liberty is lost for all.

Anytime we want to shut people up because we don't agree with them and use the laws of the land to do that---we are only placing ourselves in that same position because the federal government will not discriminate in favor of any one particular belief system.

All people are either free or they're not. The more laws we have--the less freedom and liberty we have. Even with abortion--the people must be free to decide for themselves and then left to God to judge them for their crimes against the unborn. Everything comes at a price-- We can not allow the federal government to decide for us what is moral and what isn't and that is why we have as many unborn children being sacrificed to the god of government today.

 

[pcosmar]

What is happening to Christianity today?

Today?

Damn,, look at history.

Look at warnings and rebukes in the Bible.

Error has been around for a very long time.

 

[Terry1]

They might be using MDMA

Pentecostal is not my cup of tea, but still I have no doubt that they're Christians--just wild ones.

My point in this thread wasn't to discriminate against denominations, but to show that there have been many well meaning Christians that ventured into spiritual and cult realms that aren't consistent with the word of God. I can see singing, dancing and raising our hands to the Lord in worship, but not this really crazy whacked out stuff that people are calling "Christianity".

I don't want to place God in a box either by saying someone can't be a Christian if they do crazy things, but there's a limit. Our calling in Christ is to win souls for the kingdom of heaven--not scare them away or repulse them by doing things that aren't consistent with the word.

 

[pcosmar]

-not scare them away or repulse them by doing things that aren't consistent with the word.

And David Danced before the Lord..

some were offended.. (it didn't work out well for them)

 

[VIDEODROME]

I want to see a Pentacostal Church switch over to Techno / Trance Music Raves.

 

[Terry1]

And David Danced before the Lord..

some were offended.. (it didn't work out well for them)

Yeah, I said I can see dancing and singing and praising the Lord, but when it comes to rolling down the isles, handling snakes, telling people they have to speak in tongues to be saved all that crap--no--that's just pure craziness to me, but hey--Isaiah did walk naked through the streets preaching and prophesied the word of God and Jonah got puked up by a big fish, so then--I guess this is why we're not supposed to judge too. I know there are limits and how can we win souls to Christ if Christians act like nut cases?

 

[Terry1]

I want to see a Pentacostal Church switch over to Techno / Trance Music Raves.

LOL

 

[Brett85]

So, do you believe that the federal government should maintain control of the abortion issue instead handing that power over to the people of the states to decide? I agree that we should protect the unborn child and I'm pro-life, but I don't agree that I should be forced by the federal government to fund the choices of others to kill their unborn babies.

This power needs to be given back to the people to decide for themselves on a state level by vote. They should be the ones free to make their own choices.

If the government wasn't using our tax dollars to fund these abortions--many would be avoided simply for no other reason than they couldn't afford it. Do you realize how many abortions are funded by tax dollars?

I used to take a states' rights position on the issue, that Roe v. Wade should be overturned and the issue returned to the states. But if you actually say that there's "a right" to life, it's hard for me to understand how it's consistent to say that a state government should have the right to take away this life. But having said that, I think that returning the issue to the states and banning abortion in as many states as possible would at least be a huge step in the right direction, and I would say that anyone who at least wants to ban abortion at the state level is pro life.

 

[pcosmar]

Yeah, I said I can see dancing and singing and praising the Lord, but when it comes to rolling down the isles, handling snakes, telling people they have to speak in tongues to be saved all that crap--no--that's just pure craziness to me, but hey--Isaiah did walk naked through the streets preaching and prophesied the word of God and Jonah got puked up by a big fish, so then--I guess this is why we're not supposed to judge too. I know there are limits and how can we win souls to Christ if Christians act like nut cases?

And john the Baptist was clothed in skins and ate locusts..

The two witnesses to come will be clothed in sackcloth. (and the whole world will hate them)

I'm not too interested in what folks in fine Suits and Robes have to say.

As far at this political Football goes,,, It was religious people and Churches that pushed the Eugenics movement, and forced sterilizations,, and eventually abortions in the first place..
Planned Parenthood came out of church.
Though they all changed their tune for a while after Hitler took their programs to the logical extreme. They never went away.

 

[Terry1]

And john the Baptist was clothed in skins and ate locusts..

The two witnesses to come will be clothed in sackcloth. (and the whole world will hate them)

I'm not too interested in what folks in fine Suits and Robes have to say.

As far at this political Football goes,,, It was religious people and Churches that pushed the Eugenics movement, and forced sterilizations,, and eventually abortions in the first place..
Planned Parenthood came out of church.
Though they all changed their tune for a while after Hitler took their programs to the logical extreme. They never went away.

Wonder if those two witnesses will look like we expect them to. Wouldn't that be a shocker if they looked like this.

 

[robert68]

I've never seen ed state such, but no--I wouldn't agree with that either. Censorship is a slippery slope and when we give that power to government it will inevitably affect everyone to some degree. It's like shooting oneself in the foot. The FFR (Freedom From Religion) people have been attempting to censor all religious beliefs too. How long before we end up like China and third world countries who are murdering, torturing and persecuting people because they choose to believe differently no matter how peaceful it is?

That kind of mindset will definitely send us spiraling into bondage of the third world status and all freedom and liberty is lost for all.

Anytime we want to shut people up because we don't agree with them and use the laws of the land to do that---we are only placing ourselves in that same position because the federal government will not discriminate in favor of any one particular belief system.

All people are either free or they're not. The more laws we have--the less freedom and liberty we have. Even with abortion--the people must be free to decide for themselves and then left to God to judge them for their crimes against the unborn. Everything comes at a price-- We can not allow the federal government to decide for us what is moral and what isn't and that is why we have as many unborn children being sacrificed to the god of government today.

Glad to hear, and well said.

The first 3 words of my previous post, “He also believes”, are linked to the post where he said it. In any case, this sentence is also linked to it. It’s amazing what some members of a forum under Ron Paul’s name (Rand too now) support.

 

[eduardo89]

Glad to hear, and well said.

The first 3 words of my previous post, “He also believes”, are linked to the post where he said it. In any case, this sentence is also linked to it. It’s amazing what some members of a forum under Ron Paul’s name (Rand too now) support.

It would be amazing if I were a libertarian, which I am not nor have I ever been.

 

[jessahick]

That's true. I just now recalled that many are autoceapholous (self-governing), though I hear of this sort of thing more from the Orthodox than from Protestants. (I've thus far never heard of an autoceapholous Protestant church, but I wouldn't mind being corrected)

I do believe Donnay has introduced ya'll to Shepherd's Chapel. They refuse nonprofit tax status & are also of the Protestant lean... Pastor Arnold Murray, I believe.

My husband has begun our own church, which is also of a Protestant lean & refuses tax exempt status..... it's a home-church, but growing with like-minded folk who know how serious we are.