What is happening to Christianity today? Take a look at this example

[Brett85]

It's given us a society where anyone can open up a 'church' with it's own innovative (and dangerous) doctrines and beliefs.

Yes, it's called freedom of religion and the 1st amendment. I'm glad that we still have that in our country.

 

[eduardo89]

Yes, it's called freedom of religion and the 1st amendment. I'm glad that we still have that in our country.

I disagree with the notion of 'religious freedom.'

I agree with this:

The topic of religious liberty is all the rage in some Catholic circles these days. And too many Catholics, we’re afraid, are using this legally annunciated principle and a defense for theological teachings.

That’s a loser before you even get out of the gates.

Think about it. What is religious liberty when applied to a society? It is .. at its core, the view that all religions have a right to be followed and not interfered with by the government.

Pretty noble sounding until you beak it down. There are certain assumption hidden in this understanding. The first being that all religions are WORTHY of being followed and have a RIGHT to preach their beliefs in the public square – whether they are truthful or not.

This brings all religions onto more or less the same equal level in terms of the state’s relationship to them. But this approach is not being followed out to its logical conclusion.

Religious liberty is a phony liberty because it will eventually imprison all moral views except the majority view. Religion deals with the notion of truth. Yet various religions automatically admits of various truths.

Catholics and Muslims don’t accept the same truths – and the question of whether we worship the same God or not from an objective viewpoint is beside the point.

We don’t ascribe the same truths to Him and that’s what’s important – and why it is extremely disingenuous and gilding the lily to just blurt out we worship the same God and leave it at that. Talk about a confusing and misleading statement.

So if Catholics and Muslims and Hindus each have their own set of truths, which contradict each other – which they do – then the very concept of truth itself cannot be appealed to in any circumstance.

Precisely because of the foundational principles underlying the political dogma of religious liberty, then ultimately, objective truth MUST be denied.
If all “truths” have a place at the table, then no one of them is superior. That was the whole point of this temple – The Pantheon.

All the gods are just as acceptable as all the other gods .. so multiple statutes to various gods stood in this temple. So come worship whatever god you wanted.

And that’s exactly what people did. Ah, but there was some fine print. You could worship whatever god or gods you desired .. so long as you ALSO bowed down before the god of Rome and offered a pinch of incense to Caesar.

See, the state always has an interest in religion and will set itself up as superior every chance it gets. The state .. which ultimately means the majority .. is the one after all that defines religious liberty – what it is, how far it can go and so forth.

No state will long make its appeal to reason, but to its own self-interests for its own self- preservation. This is why the current outcry about religious liberty is a foolish tactic. It is guaranteed to fail.

The state is the arbiter of religious liberty by virtue of religious liberty. Majority rules and that’s that. The United States was erected on the Enlightenment principles of individual liberties .. religious liberty among them.

But among those liberties is the right to self-determination. In the 1992 Supreme Court ruling Casey Vs. Planned Parenthood .. justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion .. “At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life....”

Where do you go with that? And when you apply it to religions – it’s lights out – in particular Catholicism. That is a terribly anti-Catholic statement out of the mouth of a Catholic no less.

At the heart of liberty is not the “right” to define your own concept of anything – but rather the “right” to freely embrace THE TRUTH.

The problem here is that there is no recognition of objective truth, so how can religious liberty be appealed to as though it were some moral absolute. It isn’t. Religious liberty is what at least five US Supreme Court justices say it is and nothing else.

This is very much akin to the high court earlier this week paving the way for same-sex marriage by striking down key elements of DOMA. It is the logical conclusion of a view of self-determination.

And it is EXACTLY what we predicted would happen - not that it took a prophet to see the signs of THESE times, but it does take an idiot to ignore them.
Religious liberty is a canard because the moment Catholic teaching or sensibilities come into conflict with the larger society, the Church will lose simply because it is viewed as just one religion among many.

And if accepts the position of being just one of the statues in the pantheon of the gods, which it has done in America for quite some time in many cases, then it’s leaders will HAVE to offer some incense to the gods of Rome.

The American Patriotic Church will go the way of all religions in America because it has begged and pleaded for more than a century for a place at the table of religious pluralism and soon – it will discover, its about to get its desserts.

Religious liberty – however noble it MAY sound – always devolves to the state crushing the true religion underfoot.

 

[Brett85]

I disagree with the notion of 'religious freedom.'

I agree with this:

So you want to pass a law forcing every person in America to attend the Catholic church? I'm not sure I really understand what you're saying or the conclusion of the article.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Someone plz +rep eduardo^^ I have to spread it around for now.

 

[Nang]

I couldn't find that post where you implied we were all "witches", but you know you said it.

Of course you didn't . . .


You post false accusation against me. . . I never said anything of the sort.

 

[Terry1]

Of course you didn't . . .


You post false accusation against me. . . I never said anything of the sort.

You never tell a lie either Nang do you-- I do believe you just broke the 9th commandment. pfft--lol

 

[Nang]

You never tell a lie either Nang do you-- I do believe you just broke the 9th commandment. pfft--lol

No, I never lie. To lie is not in me, because I have been born again by the Holy Spirit of God.

If you cannot defend your unbiblical beliefs, do not try to blame me. . . or the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ who abides in me.

 

[Nang]

You never tell a lie either Nang do you--

And I reply:

By challenging me with the above question, are you admitting you have lied and often lie, and that I MUST admit to doing the same?

Why should I, when I don't lie like you?

You are sick . . .

 

[otherone]

And I reply:

By challenging me with the above question, are you admitting you have lied and often lie, and that I MUST admit to doing the same?

Why should I, when I don't lie like you?

You are sick . . .

You know as well as anyone else here that morality is relative depending on what people believe and whatever their frame of reference is. If one believes in the God of the Bible--then they must also realize when they're doing something that goes against that belief. We're either true to ourselves and our beliefs or we're not. It's everyone's freedom to choose in this life which path they want to take. After all---the only person we'll all be accountable to in the end is God--He is the ultimate judge--if one retains that belief.

Christians aren't supposed to judge people because they're living a certain way. What our real calling is--is to tell them about a better way--a better life and sow seeds of love and kindness. If they choose to go another way then--that's their choice and freedom to do so and we simply leave them to God peacefully. That is what a real true believer is and how they're supposed to witness to those who don't believe in or understand who God is.

Terry, thank you. For a non-believer like me, it truly is awesome to witness a sweet fruit rather than a withered bitter one.

 

[Brett85]

No, I never lie. To lie is not in me, because I have been born again by the Holy Spirit of God.

Um, I'm pretty sure you told a lie there. You can't become perfect after you've become a Christian. We've all lied, both before and after we became a Christian.

 

[Nang]

Um, I'm pretty sure you told a lie there. You can't become perfect after you've become a Christian. We've all lied, both before and after we became a Christian.

I do not lie. God is my Father, not the devil who is the father of lies!

And I never claimed to be perfect. I remain a sinner until the day I die.

However, I am justified, and forgiven for all my sinful failures, through the grace of God and His gift given to me, to live according to faith in the righteousness of God, and not my own.

I DO NOT LIE.

Do you? Why?

 

[Nang]

Terry, thank you. For a non-believer like me, it truly is awesome to witness a sweet fruit rather than a withered bitter one.

LOL

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Um, I'm pretty sure you told a lie there. You can't become perfect after you've become a Christian. We've all lied, both before and after we became a Christian.

Yup. Her claim is not only incorrect, it's bordering on heresy.

 

[VIDEODROME]

This ?

http://collidescope.tumblr.com/post/75554034615/queenbroslob-marguerite-perrin-god-warrior

Is there a lesson here somewhere?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

This ?



http://collidescope.tumblr.com/post/75554034615/queenbroslob-marguerite-perrin-god-warrior

Is there a lesson here somewhere?

What's the lesson to be learned from a series of gifs taken out of context from some unknown film/television show?

 

[VIDEODROME]

What's the lesson to be learned from a series of gifs taken out of context from some unknown film/television show?

Really? I thought people might remember this character.

Anyway the lesson is simply to not go into a zealous hysterical freakout. I kind of think of this person as a caricature/mascot of the worst that a Religious Forum can do. I don't want to say people here have literally been this bad, but this character is just something to ponder as Religion at it's most bizarre.


As for context, it's from some ridiculous show Trading Spouses. Obviously, she did not have a good time.

 

[Paulbot99]

Really? I thought people might remember this character.

Anyway the lesson is simply to not go into a zealous hysterical freakout. I kind of think of this person as a caricature/mascot of the worst that a Religious Forum can do. I don't want to say people here have literally been this bad, but this character is just something to ponder as Religion at it's most bizarre.


As for context, it's from some ridiculous show Trading Spouses. Obviously, she did not have a good time.

I don't really watch that show. I felt my IQ drop the last time I saw it on. TV at its most bizarre.

 

[eduardo89]

No, I never lie. To lie is not in me, because I have been born again by the Holy Spirit of God.

 

[eduardo89]

So you want to pass a law forcing every person in America to attend the Catholic church?

No, and I don't see how you could possibly get that from the post.

I'm not sure I really understand what you're saying or the conclusion of the article.

The conclusion is that false religions shouldn't be accepted as equally valid as Christianity by the government.

 

[Terry1]

Terry, thank you. For a non-believer like me, it truly is awesome to witness a sweet fruit rather than a withered bitter one.

Thanks, --I do love my brothers and sisters in the Liberty Movement as well as those in the Lord, we are a family here whether we all believe in God or not. We get these outsiders and trouble makers who bounce in here every once and a while wanting to divide us through our beliefs by crapping all over the forum insisting that we conform to their way of thinking. I like to call them pissants for Jesus, because the Lord I'm familiar came for everyone, loved everyone and died for them just the same.