What happened to the over 22000 identified caucus voters for Paul in Nevada?

[LibertyEagle]

NOPE. No one blowing smoke up your you know what. We have a problem that no one wants to address. It's called voter turn out. You see, Ron Paul has the most vibrant support base. Only problem is: They don't take the voting process serious. Translation: THEY DON'T VOTE!!!

This.

A whole lot of our supporters didn't show up, apparently. They went to the rally, got their picture taken with Paul and called it done. We need to figure out really quickly how to encourage them to actually go vote.

 

[tbone717]

This.

A whole lot of our supporters didn't show up, apparently. They went to the rally, got their picture taken with Paul and called it done. We need to figure out really quickly how to encourage them to actually go vote.

That or start marketing the candidate to the people that actually do vote. I would venture to guess that Paul leads all the other candidates among those who do not vote, which is about as helpful as winning a straw poll of elementary school students.

 

[WilliamShrugged]

I personally know of someone that likes Ron Paul and was going to vote for him. I text her at 1 (12 her time) to see if she went. She asked me when does it start. I told to go and see if she still can vote. She replied, "oh ok lol". I was pissed!!! I wonder if this is the problem. People were going to vote, but still don't understand the caucus process and when it starts. When i went to the caucus in Fallon in 08 to vote it was a mess. Badly organized, it ended up being a timed primary.

 

[tbone717]

I personally know of someone that likes Ron Paul and was going to vote for him. I text her at 1 (12 her time) to see if she went. She asked me when does it start. I told to go and see if she still can vote. She replied, "oh ok lol". I was pissed!!! I wonder if this is the problem. People were going to vote, but still don't understand the caucus process and when it starts. When i went to the caucus in Fallon in 08 to vote it was a mess. Badly organized, it ended up being a timed primary.

You made my point here William. We spend all this time marketing Paul on FB, Twitter, blogs, etc to people that do not vote. And then we sit here and lament that we cannot GOTV of the 18-29 crowd when historically they do not vote in great numbers. Just because someone likes Paul and his message does not translate into them doing something that they do not normally do. Sure we may get the occasional person that is so jacked up about Paul that they vote for the first time, but that is the minority.

I equate a lot of this to sales, because I have been in sales for over 25 years. One of the first rules of sales is to identify your potential buyers. You can pitch a product until you are blue in the face, but if the person listening to you does not have the authority to purchase products for their company then you are wasting your time. This is why this mass marketing of Paul via social media, etc is not getting us any victories - we are selling a candidate to people that do not vote.

 

[RDM]

I personally know of someone that likes Ron Paul and was going to vote for him. I text her at 1 (12 her time) to see if she went. She asked me when does it start. I told to go and see if she still can vote. She replied, "oh ok lol". I was pissed!!! I wonder if this is the problem. People were going to vote, but still don't understand the caucus process and when it starts. When i went to the caucus in Fallon in 08 to vote it was a mess. Badly organized, it ended up being a timed primary.

Well if people would follow my suggestions I have laid out in this thread, this problem could be nipped in the bud. But my thread is being ignored.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ersonally-get-friends-family-to-voting-booths.

 

[mavtek]

Lets pay these people to caucus, I mean think about it, pay them $20 to go Caucus. Additional 5,000 votes in NV would've cost $100,000 which is way less money than the campaign spent. It would have given us either the win or a very close 2nd place. Bus em out too, rent 50 buses, another $10k. Very worth it.

 

[milo10]

Lets pay these people to caucus, I mean think about it, pay them $20 to go Caucus. Additional 5,000 votes in NV would've cost $100,000 which is way less money than the campaign spent. It would have given us either the win or a very close 2nd place. Bus em out too, rent 50 buses, another $10k. Very worth it.

I'm sure that is very illegal.

 

[justatrey]

Everything is speculation at this point, but something very unusual must have happened for Paul to not at least be getting the 6,000 votes he got in 2008 when he has done much better so far in every state. I can't wait to hear from the campaign about it.

I'm trying really hard not to be a conspiracy nut, but damn they really make it hard on us with the reports of the mess still unfolding in Clark County. We really need an update from the campaign.

 

[MozoVote]

One thing Romney's campaign has been very thorough about, is staying in touch with people who voted for him 4 years ago and nudging them back to the polls again. Romney is not getting impressive vote counts, but he is getting consistent turnout.

 

[Todd]

Proposed solution?

mind control?

 

[mavtek]

I'm sure that is very illegal.

Sure it's illegal for the campaign to do it, but for you and I? What's the difference between buying them dinner and giving them $20?

 

[RDM]

One thing Romney's campaign has been very thorough about, is staying in touch with people who voted for him 4 years ago and nudging them back to the polls again. Romney is not getting impressive vote counts, but he is getting consistent turnout.

You are absolutely correct. The ostriches on this forum do not want to address the real problem. They would rather just throw out accusations of voter fraud...it's much easier.

 

[bcreps85]

You are absolutely correct. The ostriches on this forum do not want to address the real problem. They would rather just throw out accusations of voter fraud...it's much easier.

The "problem" is that people can't make an informed decision to vote for Ron Paul unless they hear about him and his stances in an accurate and unbiased fashion. Those who get that message vote for him more than any other candidate, which is why he wins on the internet...those are the only people getting his message. Internet users do not make up the majority of voters though.

Everyone is working hard, but it is the MSM that is killing us...1% coverage going into the FL Primary, a virtual blackout. Someone with Romney's financial resources might be able to buy up the time to overcome that, but we can't. With exception to the informed baby boomers voting responsibly, the generation that has been screwing this country over for years is still at it...

 

[FSP-Rebel]

I'm kind of wondering what's been going on at the NV hq the past week. Was there any coordinated GOTV with volunteers or was it a come to the RP rally sort of thing? I noted back in IA that staffers would be on hand at rallies and such to collect voter info from prospects and then get back with them in some way as the caucus approached. At least in IA our turnout rate was around 66%, far higher than in NV. I think if RP was going to skip FL as he did, he should of spent more time in NV and used more of the money for staff and GOTV than on tv ads.

This rather mediocre performance was in some part due to the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the local state campaign coord. That person is who directs the volunteers to turn out the vote in all manners required. Sure hope the campaign realizes what went wrong yesterday and refers those issues to the other caucus coords to ensure that everything goes smoother and success is better achieved. Also, it's all well and good for Paul to get his cheers at the rallies but he has to wrap it up by mentioning that he needs all of their support on X day and @ X time. Again, maybe even getting back to having staff pass around signup sheets as people come in.

 

[tbone717]

The "problem" is that people can't make an informed decision to vote for Ron Paul unless they hear about him and his stances in an accurate and unbiased fashion. Those who get that message vote for him more than any other candidate, which is why he wins on the internet...those are the only people getting his message. Internet users do not make up the majority of voters though.

I am not sure if it is this thread where I addressed this or elsewhere but this is a big part of our problem. We are selling Ron Paul to people that do not vote. So not only do we have to convince them to support Paul, we have to convince them to vote as well. Effectively we have to make two closes as opposed to one.

In my business, I sell promotional products. Those are custom imprinted items like pens, coffee cups, magnets, etc. Literally, every type of business (from corner pizza shops to Fortune 500 companies) buys these products, but that does not mean that every individual business buys these products. One of the very first questions I ask on a cold call is for the potential customer to tell me what types of products they are currently purchasing. If they say that they do not buy promotional products, I pretty much end the sales call, leave some info and go on my way. While I can spend time convincing the person the benefits of using promotional products for their business, my time is better spent by finding people that actually do buy the products I sell.

This is a good metaphor with what we do as the grassroots. We spend all this time, money and energy selling a candidate to people that do not vote, when our time should be spent on finding the people that do vote and convincing them to vote for our guy.

 

[Birdlady]

Yep it is true that RP supporters don't go out and vote. We can blame women, old people or the campaign, but we need to take responsibility for ourselves here. If you are reading this and don't know where you are supposed to vote in your upcoming primary/caucus, then do your homework now. I guess we need to start focusing on this more because it seems a lot of people don't know when or how they are supposed to vote. Well sadly we have no one to blame but ourselves. Sure you can sign wave and get all excited, talk up a good game, but why spend all of that time if you don't intend to follow through? If you think your 1 vote doesn't matter, look at Storey County in NV. I have to assume that a lot of ppl are intimidated by the process and just stay home so they don't have to be out of their comfort zone. We tend to be the socially awkward types.

 

[Sean]

The "problem" is that people can't make an informed decision to vote for Ron Paul unless they hear about him and his stances in an accurate and unbiased fashion. Those who get that message vote for him more than any other candidate, which is why he wins on the internet...those are the only people getting his message. Internet users do not make up the majority of voters though.

Everyone is working hard, but it is the MSM that is killing us...1% coverage going into the FL Primary, a virtual blackout. Someone with Romney's financial resources might be able to buy up the time to overcome that, but we can't. With exception to the informed baby boomers voting responsibly, the generation that has been screwing this country over for years is still at it...

Ron Paul raised 13 million last quarter. Yet I see reports of the campaign making ad buys at less than 250k total for a state. We can't save our money for later campaigns because if you don't win anything early you are not going to win. The campaign is running out of time. We need to win Maine and Minnesota.

 

[tbone717]

We tend to be the socially awkward types.

That would apply primarily to the people that live their lives online, which seem to be the recipient of a lot of our marketing efforts.

Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. If we continue to think that Paul is going to win the nomination because that really cool video we have up on YouTube got 100,000 views, or because he surged in Facebook "likes" then we being delusional.

It is high time that many of us need to change what we are doing.

 

[JimInNY]

I think the biggest problem is we speak to the choir most of the time.

When is RP going to hold some REAL town halls? And when are we, the RP supporters going to stop filling the halls with the choir?

Every video I see of an RP campaign speech shows RP speaking to a packed house of loud rowdy RP supporters. We already have their vote. I want to see a room half full of quiet old folks who have come to find out what this unusual candidate actual stands for and how he is going to save America.

And I think the campaign needs one or more grassroots liaisons to keep their finger on our pulse. There should be a campaign rep on this forum all the time, talking to us, getting feedback, etc. One guy could probably keep tabs on everything the grassroots is doing and saying on the internet, and see to it that RP gets that info in a timely way.

 

[RDM]

Yep it is true that RP supporters don't go out and vote. We can blame women, old people or the campaign, but we need to take responsibility for ourselves here. If you are reading this and don't know where you are supposed to vote in your upcoming primary/caucus, then do your homework now. I guess we need to start focusing on this more because it seems a lot of people don't know when or how they are supposed to vote. Well sadly we have no one to blame but ourselves. Sure you can sign wave and get all excited, talk up a good game, but why spend all of that time if you don't intend to follow through? If you think your 1 vote doesn't matter, look at Storey County in NV. I have to assume that a lot of ppl are intimidated by the process and just stay home so they don't have to be out of their comfort zone. We tend to be the socially awkward types.

+Rep I wish I could double Rep. You hit the nail right on the head.