What happened to the over 22000 identified caucus voters for Paul in Nevada?

[Feeding the Abscess]

Bachmann allegedly had more ID'd voters than Huckabee did when he won the caucus. We all know how that turned out.

 

[walt]

What happened to the over 22000 identified caucus voters for Paul in Nevada? We were told that Ron Paul had more voters that Romney did in 2008. It looks like someone was blowing smoke up our you know what.

what happened is we have an incompetent campaign manger incapable of executing that needs replacing ASAP. Make all the conspiracy theories about vote fraud you want, it appears the reality is Ron Paul had less votes in many parts of the state than 2008. Most likely due to wasting money on teh big campaign and the grassroots being treated like they don't matter and doing less in certain areas.

 

[FCArchitect]

Where in NJ are you? Im in sparta? Does the paul campain have all the signatures it needs? I am ready to sign on the dotted line!

 

[TNforPaul45]

This needs to be our main message in the ramp up to Super Tuesday: We have a turnout problem. We need to instill a notion of urgency and importance in the fact that Super Tuesday is going to be our last chance to win enough delegates to have any sort of impact on the Convention (Think: 'Broker').

All these supporters we have won over, and their enthusiasm, will be for nothing if they do not move heaven and earth to vote.

Start emailing all supporters on your list. Every contact, every friend, every FB buddy: Go Vote on Super Tuesday! Go Vote On Super Tuesday!

(and on Feb 7 for that matter)

 

[Sematary]

Vote by age:
18 - 29 8%
30 - 44 15%

There's your problem

Oh, and for whatever reason - old people don't vote for him

 

[Ronulus]

what happened is we have an incompetent campaign manger incapable of executing that needs replacing ASAP. Make all the conspiracy theories about vote fraud you want, it appears the reality is Ron Paul had less votes in many parts of the state than 2008. Most likely due to wasting money on teh big campaign and the grassroots being treated like they don't matter and doing less in certain areas.

It's also possible that with the economy in NV being worse than many parts of the country they moved to another state for work?

 

[walt]

Vote by age:
18 - 29 8%
30 - 44 15%

There's your problem

Oh, and for whatever reason - old people don't vote for him

Yes, the campaign has foolishly spent it's resources on the wrong demographics...that is why old people don't vote for him.

 

[walt]

It's also possible that with the economy in NV being worse than many parts of the country they moved to another state for work?

Sure. It's also possible that the sun will rise in the west.

Bottom line is this, if Ron Paul does well in Minnesota, it's 110% due to help from Jesse Ventura's machine, not anything this campaign manager did.

 

[justatrey]

Old people don't vote for Paul because they watch a lot of TV and the TV tells them not to vote for him. I really think it's as simple as that.

 

[neverseen]

what happened is we have an incompetent campaign manger incapable of executing that needs replacing ASAP. Make all the conspiracy theories about vote fraud you want, it appears the reality is Ron Paul had less votes in many parts of the state than 2008. Most likely due to wasting money on teh big campaign and the grassroots being treated like they don't matter and doing less in certain areas.

Or the soft support which makes up the majority of actual ron paul votes decided to stay home because they believe fox news about ron paul's chances and/or they voted for romney to spite newt because they want an R in the white house. Ron Paul's support is not walk on glass strong as the forum thinks it is. This forum is the minority of the supporters for ron paul. Most ron paul supporters sit at home watching news. They don't phone from home, canvass, sign wave, etc.

This just proves that its time to get off our high horse of "hope for that snow storm" BS snow storms will keep paul supporters in the house just like all the others. And yes, i could even see myself oversleeping on a 9am caucus time and flipping out when i got there at 10am. of course i'd have a pot of water rigged above my head so when my alarm clock goes off the pot dumps on me but still...

 

[newbitech]

Proposed solution?

not waiting until election day, election week, election month, or election year to start organizing. For starters.

A much more visible presence for leadership including permanent liberty offices in communities all over the united states.

activities that are focused on helping people and doing things that people need rather than simply focused on politics.

It's a tough thing to realize that as an individual, I have more important things to do than be active in the political process.

It's a tough thing to realize that the money and time I have spent could be better spent doing the things I mentioned rather than sending it off to an anonymous national account with the blessing to do with it what you please or use me how you want me to be used.

There is no strategy coming down from leadership and permeating the grassroots. It has been an every man for yourself type campaign the last 4 years. The only thing that I can point to that has even come close to a solution from the campaign is the phone from home program. This gave people something to do, but unfortunately, I felt this was a misdirected effort to be calling people in other states. It was quite the overkill IMO and gave people the sense of participating but also had no way for those people to measure their effectiveness.

Think about it. 40 states calling the other 10 states? Imagine if 1% of people in Florida called Iowa for Ron Paul. 116k votes in Florida, 1,160 callers. How many calls from Florida to reach Iowa's 122k voters? That's like 100 calls each.

To me that's over kill, but it made people from other states feel like they were doing something. What of the effort over the last 4 years? This type of reach out should have been happening locally over the last 4 years instead of waiting for a big nation wide blitz at the final hour.

It's easy to sit back and see where things went wrong. I'd love to have had these ideas 4 years ago when the campaign ended, but to be honest and I feel most of Ron Paul supporters are in the same boat, I thought the leadership would materialize and I followed the path of the Campaign for Liberty. That 4 million left over to start the Campaign for liberty, where are they at?

The Campaign for Liberty should have offices opened up, physical locations in population centers where people can go to volunteer etc. We shouldn't have to go to hotels and rent office space at the last minute for campaigning activities.

Oh I understand, we have to skirt laws etc because of campaign rules, but that is on the national campaign to figure out.

Bah, I could go on and on.

 

[tbone717]

Old people don't vote for Paul because they watch a lot of TV and the TV tells them not to vote for him. I really think it's as simple as that.

But we knew that going into this. The way you win is overcoming the ingrained perception, not blaming your failures on it.

 

[Edward]

What happened to the over 22000 identified caucus voters for Paul in Nevada?

Misinformation routinely spreads like wildfire around RPF. Does someone have a source for this number?

 

[KenInMontiMN]

The thing to bear in mind with the non-binding caucus states is this: the straw poll indicates little other than the degree of growth of general Paul support in that state among caucus-goers, who are and will always be a very small percentage of the overall voting-age population. It does not indicate who got elected forward as delegates or alternates to the next convention level, and the dust doesn't settle on the nat. delegate selection process until the state convention.

All-in-all though, the caucus process is vastly superior to the primary, especially the winner-take-all primaries. The primary election absolutely assures mass-media control of outcomes; non-establishment candidates generally fare much better in their worst caucus straw poll showings than they do in their very best primary showings. Change requires that primary-state grassroots continue to take control of their local parties and push for a return to the non-binding caucus. Change takes time and patience, but all results so far show it is occurring, certainly too gradual but happening.

In MN in '08 15.x% at the caucus straw poll meant ~40% at the state convention. Keep up the fight, Nevada, caucus straw polls are simply the opening bell of a multi-round fight.

 

[ironj221]

Old people don't vote for Paul because they watch a lot of TV and the TV tells them not to vote for him. I really think it's as simple as that.

This.

 

[tbone717]

Or the soft support which makes up the majority of actual ron paul votes decided to stay home because they believe fox news about ron paul's chances and/or they voted for romney to spite newt because they want an R in the white house.

Soft support votes based upon perceived viability, not principle. Paul was in last place among the 23% of NV voters that decided "in the last few days". When you have pitiful showings in the two contests leading up to NV, you cannot expect soft support to go for him.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but I am beginning to think spending very little on SC and skipping FL because of the "delegate strategy" may turn out to be the downfall of the campaign. I hope I am wrong and they can turn it around with the next three states, but I am not as optimistic as I once was.

 

[Hitman83]

Vote by age:
18 - 29 8%
30 - 44 15%

There's your problem

Oh, and for whatever reason - old people don't vote for him

Old people rely on tv news and newspaper to get information about the candidates. One solution to that was mailings, but my opinion on why that didn't work is that the people see a mailing from someone NOT in the news and assume it's a third party or non-factor candidate and throw it away. We really need the news media if we can't knock on every door. Physically talking to someone about Ron Paul is going to be the only sure way to get older people (50+ because my parents wouldn't give RP the time of day until I debated them for 2 hours) to give him the realistic shot he deserves.

Younger people have tons of alternative news so they find RP stuff, and really old people (70+) generally consider all viable candidates. We have to make the really old people realize that RP is actually in this race and can win. That leaves baby-boomers and the generation quickly following them...I have had the most trouble getting those people to understand Ron Paul's views. I think this is actually where the race is won and lost.

 

[RufusTDoofus]

I have no idea how the campaign was identifying voters here in Maine for our caucuses. A RP2012 representative was present at our caucus yesterday and had a list of people they had allegedly identified as candidates for the State Convention that were RP supporters. There were 4 names on the list from our small town. Two of the names were me and my wife. The other two were people that I know but were not present at the caucus. So I called each of these other two to see if they indeed were interested in being delegates to the State convention. Each of them declined politely and asked something to the effect of "why do you think I support Ron Paul?" Both claimed to be on the campaign's mailing list but had never had any direct contact with the campaign.

 

[tbone717]

Misinformation routinely spreads like wildfire around RPF. Does someone have a source for this number?

It came from the NV campaign chair if I am not mistaken. There was a thread on it yesterday.

 

[Edward]

It came from the NV campaign chair if I am not mistaken. There was a thread on it yesterday.

If you or someone else has it, a link would be great.