What happened to the over 22000 identified caucus voters for Paul in Nevada?

[fearthereaperx]

was at a rally in Freeport, ME where there were 1,000 people. There were campaign volunteers circulating through the crowd, gathering people's data.

So, they're on top of it to a good degree.

Sweet! Nice info.. Good to know.

 

[parocks]

No contradiction here. Tons of supporters go out and sign wave, attend the speeches, etc. But when it comes down to showing the "real" support and that means taking care of business as in "voting", they drop the ball.

I'm not sure you have the math right.

You seem to think that there's more sign wavers, speech attenders than voters? I don't think so there.

The problem I don't think is that our strongest supporters aren't voting, its that the people who are partially apathetic, but like Ron Paul the most, and are 25 year old males who have never voted aren't voting as often as 75 year olds who are partially apathetic but now vote quite frequently and kinda like Romney the most.

These supporters are on a continuum, from strongest to weakest.

The idea that Ron Paul supporters are good voters is just a made up theory.

Young Ron Paul supporters might say "No One But Paul", but it also could be "No One". No One But Paul is very easy for someone who does not plan to vote to say.

 

[Bossobass]

Thanks for confirming what the numbers are telling us.

Wow. That's the data you're bringing to your high horse stance here?

The caucus was rigged, Ron Paul won in our district, I’m in Nevada when we voted they called us back and said there was a problem and we had to travel all the way to vegas to re-vote and we didn’t have time to make it there in the time they gave us,

The Paul team is a well-oiled grassroots machine and has always been expected to perform exceptionally well, and even win in the caucus states.

Ron Paul’s vote totals have more than doubled in every primary or caucus so far over his 2008 totals, and since he has had a massive organization in Nevada for four years, and Nevada is a libertarian state, he was expected to either win or tie for first place. And in the ONE large Clark County caucus where the votes were counted in public, on live television, Ron Paul won by a landslide, as was expected.

Stunning that we have shills roving through every post election thread spewing the "it's the supporters fault" BS, as in pure BS.

Paul's youth support is the envy of the GOP, to no end, as in slash, burn and cheat no end.

Funny how the youth vote "...swept Obama into the White House in 2008...", but the youth vote is the excuse shills use to explain vote process shenanigans that make the 21st century, tech savvy USA look inferior to the Flintstones pet pterodactyl pecking the vote totals onto a rock.

Bosso

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

Here yah Go... Chuck "The Mouth" Muth's article

ChuckMuth Chuck Muth
"The Chaos Caucus: My Final Thoughs." Warning to Paul supporters: You do NOT want to read this. Repeat: DO NOT READ! muthstruths.com/?p=3394
33 minutes ago

http://www.muthstruths.com/2012/02/05/the-chaos-caucus-nevada-gops-national-embarrassment/

On February 6, 2012,
in Uncategorized,
by Chuck Muth
*

After initially predicting over 100,000 Republicans would participate in the Nevada GOP presidential caucus, the party began ratcheting that figure down. First to 70,000; then to 55,000. I predicted 40,000. In the end, total participation in the Chaos Caucus: 32,894. Lame.

* Considering how fouled up the caucus was, as is, can you just imagine the nightmare same-day registration would have caused?
* The only thing worse than “spin” is bad spin. Get this: In a 2 a.m. press release this morning, the Nevada GOP actually had the stones to brag: “While in some states it takes days or weeks to complete certification, NVGOP certified the results in less than a day.”
* Of course, they failed to mention that despite promising to COUNT the results (except for the sundown caucus) by 7 p.m. on Saturday, the final tally wasn’t reached until well after the Giants upset the Patriots in the Super Bowl. That the “certification” followed shortly thereafter is completely meaningless and totally misleading.

* Part of the problem with the turnout was, frankly, that so many people thought Mitt Romney had the state in the bag – which, as it turns out, he did. Good for Romney; bad for the party – at least as far as driving up participation is concerned.
* Hat’s off to Ryan Erwin – the state’s top GOP political consultant who rode the Romney campaign to victory here from start to finish. He also possesses the unique quality of being a downright nice guy – unusual in his line of work.
* While it’s unfair, Republicans statewide have been tarred with the mess caused by Clark County. For what it’s worth, let me take this opportunity to point out that almost every precinct and county outside of Clark reportedly conducted an orderly and relatively problem-free caucus.

* How in the world did Newt Gingrich beat Ron Paul here?

Indeed, the Paul folks were predicting that in a low-turnout election they would actually beat Romney! Well, turnout was about as low as you can go. And the Paul folks have been actively organizing for four years, while the Gingrich folks spent all of about two weeks on the ground.
* Let’s face it, the Paul operation here has been all sizzle and no steak. As Jon Ralston tweeted this morning: “Note to Ron Paul folks: No organization in ’08 and: 6,084 votes. Supposedly more org/enthusiam this year: 6,175. 91 more!” That’s right. Four years of huffing and puffing and bloviating the GOP house down…for 91 additional votes. Epic fail.
* No, wait…WAIT! It HAD to be voter fraud that allowed Gingrich to beat Paul! (“Ah, but the strawberries! That’s, that’s where I had them.”) Yeah, that’s the ticket. (Let the hate-mail begin!)

* And speaking of the Paul folks, I’ve been trying to tell everyone for four years now that the disastrous Nevada GOP convention in 2008 was sabotaged by Paul activists, led by Jeff “Chemtrail” Greenspan, who printed and distributed a fake delegate slate on a forged flyer on the morning of the convention and THAT’S what started the whole mess.
* Until this weekend, no one thought the Paul conspirators would actually do such a thing. Well, after the stunt they pulled at the “sundown caucus” on Saturday night, we all know differently now. (BTW: Is the party gonna prosecute the ones who lied under penalty of perjury?)

* One more reflection on 2008: Following the convention, many of the Paul folks and new tea party activists embarked on a plan to “take over” the Clark County Republican Party. Fine. But in doing so, they drove out a number of longtime, experienced conservative grassroots activists for no reason other than they’d been actively involved for a number of years. Enthusiasm is great, but experience counts. As we saw this weekend.
* Nevada Chairman Amy Tarkanian has already resigned – though to be fair, her resignation was tendered before the Chaos Caucus disaster. It is unlikely that Nevada Republican National Committeeman Bob List or National Committeewoman Heidi Smith will follow suit, but after this debacle – not to mention the Sharron Angle disaster of 2010 – neither should run for re-election in May. And if they do, both should be replaced. Not that they’re bad people. But real change requires real change. And real change is required. Big time.
* At the national level – made up of each state’s chairman, national committeewoman and national committeeman – the Republican National Committee chairman is almost always selected from among the members when the Democrats control the White House. The thinking is that the national chairman should have some experience running a party operation at the state level. Just being an elected or former elected official isn’t enough. Makes sense.
* As such, it’s time for members of the Nevada Republican Central Committee to self-impose a similar unwritten requirement. Clearly, if you have no experience running a county party – or at the very least a GOP women’s club or other Republican affiliated organization at the local level – you’re probably not ready to herd GOP cats at the state level.
* In addition, no money should be spent by the state party on anything else until it brings back and implements the “Five Star” program to start developing stronger local party leaders and operations. And any state party leader who doesn’t know what the “Five Star” program is probably shouldn’t even be a state party leader. Enough of this “amateur hour” nonsense.
* I can’t think of anything politically dumber than allowing non-Republicans to vote for who the GOP candidates should be in the general election. But if all taxpayers are going to be forced to fund primary elections instead of the party funding caucuses, then I don’t see how you deny every registered voter an opportunity to participate somehow. WARNING: Republicans foolishly now clamoring for the caucus system to be replaced by a primary better be careful what you wish for.
* In 2008 and again in 2012, Nevada Republicans have demonstrated that they don’t deserve early-state status in the presidential selection process. They ought to just go back to the old system: You hold precinct meetings to elect delegates to the county convention in February/March. At the county convention in March/April, you elect delegates to the state convention. And at the state convention in April/May delegates are elected to the national convention.
* So let it be written; so let it be done.

2 Responses to The Chaos Caucus: Some Final Thoughts

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  Thomas Mitchell says:
  February 6, 2012 at 11:49 am
  Let’s bring back the smoke-filled rooms. I’m not being facetious.
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  Kevin McDonald says:
  February 6, 2012 at 12:02 pm
  I was at the Western High School site. I saw two major issues:
  1) One of the volunteers checking in attendees at the “Rally Point” didn’t really seem to know what she was doing AND I think she had vision problems with a hard time seeing the documents people were presenting (think Mr. Magoo). I think this contributed to people being misdirected to wrong rooms for individual precincts.
  2) We did receive our Presidential Ballots until around 10:15 a.m. They should have been on hand prior to the start of the caucus. In my opinion this was inexcusable and was a major contributor to the problems in general
  3) I was an adhoc caucus chair for my precinct (drafted when I arrived at my table). Reading through all the paper (lots) was intimidating. A single page Quick Reference would have greatly simplified things.
  Fortunately, our precinct consisted of 3 people attending which included my wife. It was a close vote, 2 for Newt, 1 for Ron Paul. The precinct next to us had 30 people there and elected 7 delegates. Upon overhearing my comments on how things worked, they asked me to talk to them about being a delegate to the county convention–we had lots of extra time due to waiting for presidential ballots.
  Anyway those are my thoughts. These problems were easily avoidable, but what do I know….

 

[RonRules]

"Free Beer"

When I was young, in Canada it was illegal to sell alchool in election day. I think they did away with that.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

"Free Beer"

When I was young, in Canada it was illegal to sell alchool in election day. I think they did away with that.

isn't it illegal to sell alcohol unless you are the gov?

 

[BUSHLIED]

 

[eleganz]

People simply didn't take this election seriously.

Many Paul supporters didn't show up, simple as that.

 

[HarryBrowneLives]

Few things ole Chuck Muth didn't mention that IA (and MN, CO) are all held at 7PM not 9AM. I would suspect that half of our young supporters in Clark were working in Vegas and the other third were at home in bed. At the same time, the state GOP took away the Vegas Strip caucuses where these people could have voted while at work and left NO alternative to vote unless you went way out of the way to drive and then sign some BS affidavidt to vote in the ONE "Sundown" caucus (which we smoked the field and quite a few of our folks were turned away). Fact is the NV GOP played a numbers game and none of us thought about the times. If they gave us 20 night caucus sites in Vegas to accomodate casino and service workers around town we win second hands down. Fact is, by the rules they set up, they didn't want to help young people vote in their caucus.

 

[SCOTUSman]

Hope they enjoyed their sleep in. Because the rest of us didn't.

 

[jemuf]

The truth is that we think too much of ourselves - "Ron Paul supporters will walk on broken glass to vote for him" etc. - and bask in that glory. The truth is that we are a VERY small minority nationwide and like every candidate, we have a lot of soft support...This is the only way we will set the ground for Rand to run in 2016 and win.

If RPF's posts are an accurate representation of Dr. Paul supporters then you are right. I've been really amazed and bothered by the lack of focus, drive, and dedication. I've often wondered if there are posers in our midst. But noooo...The Establishment wouldn't engage in that kind of behavior.

 

[AjaxPress]

Of course there are poser in our midst. I went to the Call Center today in Reno to do two hours of calling like i've been doing for the past two weeks. 3PM and I was the first volunteer to show up today. What the hell? It's frustrating but the truth of the matter is that Ron Paul's online supporters like to make a lot of noise but they don't have the werewithal to do anything more than goof off on the internet or twitter. The simple step of getting off the internet and voting in the primary/caucus was too much effort.

 

[Muttley]

This could explain a lot. If this is true everywhere, it could explain what is going on; the campaign is working off of very flawed data.

I hate to be such a conspiracy theorist, but I just don't trust any of these scumbags to not try and rig this election. I guess that sort of thing is natural when you've been lied to over and over and the agenda is written clearly for everyone to see.

After all of the PFH repeat calls, and all of the inflated support numbers, I can only think that someone is skewing the data on us. Such as doing PFH and marking people off as supporters when they're not.

 

[Badger Paul]

"who printed and distributed a fake delegate slate on a forged flyer on the morning of the convention and THAT’S what started the whole mess."

Right. And so who's conspiracy theorist now?

I'll say this for old Chuck, he has a face one would love to put a fist through.