What happened to the over 22000 identified caucus voters for Paul in Nevada?
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trey4sports
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a lot of the ID's came when Paul had a lot of momentum (pre-Iowa) but now that his momentum is dry those soft ID's are staying home.
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NOPE. No one blowing smoke up your you know what. We have a problem that no one wants to address. It's called voter turn out. You see, Ron Paul has the most vibrant support base. Only problem is: They don't take the voting process serious. Translation: THEY DON'T VOTE!!!
There are tons of threads trying to address this issue, but it's being ignored. Why? Because the guilty ones are on this forum and they're ashamed of themselves.
There are tons of threads trying to address this issue, but it's being ignored. Why? Because the guilty ones are on this forum and they're ashamed of themselves.
If I estimate the final vote tally that means we lost over 16000 soft voters and maybe only held onto 6000 people. I was never to hopefully about Nevada because of all the Mormon voters, but the campaign has to have better GOTV in upcoming caucus states.
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They are "recounting" the vote now, so probably some of those 22,000 are getting thrown out as I write this.
I don't have inside information on what is being done, but there should be a contact with every single precinct. Make someone who is enthusiastic about the Paul campaign precinct captain. Give them the information and put them in touch with those identified Paul voters. Have the precinct captains do the GOTV on election day. Setup car pools ect. I think sometimes people don't want to do things alone. If they get to know someone in the area that is also going they will be more willingly to show up.
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This. The campaign doesn't have the resources to do this in each state.. We must do it ourselves. Build your local organization, win GOP committee spots, and GOTV on election days.
P.S. - from what i've seen the campaign is doing this, just not enough willing participants.
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After Caucus-Party or barbecue or whatever. This would help IMHO...
Whens theres thousands of caucus's all over a whole state thats a unrealistic idea.
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Yeah, that's true. But you have to be creative. Maybe the local meetup-groups could organize something (barbecue). But it is hard to get people out of bed on a Saturda morning...
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It should be each individual supporter.
Being a precinct captain. IDing your local community support, and getting them out to vote.
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The truth is that we think too much of ourselves - "Ron Paul supporters will walk on broken glass to vote for him" etc. - and bask in that glory. The truth is that we are a VERY small minority nationwide and like every candidate, we have a lot of soft support too. Paul doesn't articulate his views well in debates or even in interviews. He stutters, stumbles and rambles on, possibly due to his age. He was very vibrant in his old videos, so this was not always the case. Paul and his campaign also does not address the foreign policy issue very convincingly to turn out undecided minds. We are living in a fantasy land. I'll still continue to support Paul, but his chances are dwindling far more than Newt's.
It's probably too late for any short term solutions for this. The long term solution to this is to continue to speak to as many people as possible to convert them, and to enter the political process ourselves. Whether it be the Republican party or the Democratic party, take your pick and start being active from the ground up. Help change the party platform to prioritize liberty and abide by the Constitution. This is the only way we will set the ground for Rand to run in 2016 and win.
It's probably too late for any short term solutions for this. The long term solution to this is to continue to speak to as many people as possible to convert them, and to enter the political process ourselves. Whether it be the Republican party or the Democratic party, take your pick and start being active from the ground up. Help change the party platform to prioritize liberty and abide by the Constitution. This is the only way we will set the ground for Rand to run in 2016 and win.
The problem is that the establishment candidates have voters. No matter what, voters vote. Doesn't matter who they are voting for, they just do it because they have to.
Ron Paul does not have voters. He has supporters. Supporters support. Support does not translate into votes.
The bottom line is that we are not winning the establishment voters over. Newt and Romney are. They could effectively stop campaigning nation wide and still get 70% of the vote in every state. The media controls the voters. Its nice to see we have a built in 20% or so that will vote for paul out of his supporter base, but it will not go much higher until we can turn out the old people. This is what happens when you try to create new voters out of thin air (the kids). They don't show, they forget, etc. Keep in mind that the level of support the people on this forum have is NOT indicative of typical Ron Paul support. Every supporter is not like the members here. I managed to many of my family members and friends to vote, but other than my mom, not a single one was willing to help canvass, sign wave, call, etc. Out of 25 people, only 1 went above and beyond.
Ron Paul does not have voters. He has supporters. Supporters support. Support does not translate into votes.
The bottom line is that we are not winning the establishment voters over. Newt and Romney are. They could effectively stop campaigning nation wide and still get 70% of the vote in every state. The media controls the voters. Its nice to see we have a built in 20% or so that will vote for paul out of his supporter base, but it will not go much higher until we can turn out the old people. This is what happens when you try to create new voters out of thin air (the kids). They don't show, they forget, etc. Keep in mind that the level of support the people on this forum have is NOT indicative of typical Ron Paul support. Every supporter is not like the members here. I managed to many of my family members and friends to vote, but other than my mom, not a single one was willing to help canvass, sign wave, call, etc. Out of 25 people, only 1 went above and beyond.
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I'm really starting to think that some bullshit is going on behind the scenes. The vote is now being recounted where 68% of the electorate is located and I really think of those 22,000 Paul identified voters, having less then 25% of that number show up smells wrong. I agree that the Paul supporters walking on broken glass meme gets blown a little out of proportion, but 25%? I'm not buying it!
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