What causes conflict between Christian Conservative Republicans and libertarians?

[Brassmouth]

Always wondered about this. We are for the abolishment of the income tax and constitutional principles. I wonder where such DEEP hate come from???

I was a NeoCon at one time and NEVER hated Libertarians... never really thought of them at all

Because religion is collectivist by nature. Libertarians are individualist by definition. It's a contradiction.

 

[torchbearer]

Because religion is collectivist by nature. Libertarians are individualist by definition. It's a contradiction.

religion could be individualistic if it didn't have monolithic governing bodies who turn the path of searching into a side show with freaks for their empowerment.
Imagine, everyone on their own independent journeys of search for truths... meeting only to exchange ideas....

 

[Infamouswoodster]

So, now that we've established you can be christian, atheist, libertarian, republican, old, young, republicrat , black, green or purple ....AND you can Not rightly say all of one Particular group hates freedom. Then we can call BS on this thread and its motive.

Sounds like a hate troller.

Becuase you watch a T.V preacher, you can judge a faith...?

Well i hope People dont look at this one thread and think Every Ron paul follower is this divisive, this ignorant and self centered.

There's a big world out there... The ron paul movement welcomes you, but please, sit in the back and keep quiet during class.

Hating/categorizing a group of highly devoted and powerful individuals WHILE bashing their faith.....

You know? why didn't i think of that? That's what ron paul should have done, Im sure Thats what he would be proud of. What all his hard work has produced.
Faith or not, That's just rude.

Really, thanks for exercising your 1rst amendment rights, but there are other forums that would welcome your non-informative, skewered anti-liberty movement opinion.

 

[Stary Hickory]

Christians in the Republican party can be persuaded. The way to approach them is this way:

Tell them that you cannot legislate morality through the government, that it is the job of the church and the community to reach out to those in need. Let them know you think their goals are noble, but ultimately it hurts their cause if they are trying to force their values on others.

They will be able to sympathize if you remind them that by backing liberty they will keep government out of their lives and that they would have free choice of schools, and their tax dollars would not go to immoral programs.

This approach works. The thing is, they are good people, who do want to do the right thing, so if you are not putting down their values they will see the light.

 

[torchbearer]

So, now that we've established you can be christian, atheist, libertarian, republican, old, young, republicrat , black, green or purple ....AND you can Not rightly say all of one Particular group hates freedom. Then we can call BS on this thread and its motive.

Sounds like a hate troller.

Becuase you watch a T.V preacher, you can judge a faith...?

Well i hope People dont look at this one thread and think Every Ron paul follower is this divisive, this ignorant and self centered.

There's a big world out there... The ron paul movement welcomes you, but please, sit in the back and keep quiet during class.

Hating/categorizing a group of highly devoted and powerful individuals WHILE bashing their faith.....

You know? why didn't i think of that? That's what ron paul should have done, Im sure Thats what he would be proud of. What all his hard work has produced.
Faith or not, That's just rude.

Really, thanks for exercising your 1rst amendment rights, but there are other forums that would welcome your non-informative, skewered anti-liberty movement opinion.

I think its important to have open communication about differences. All families have disputes.
The world is not all rainbows... unless you are on that end of bourbon street.

 

[torchbearer]

Christians in the Republican party can be persuaded. The way to approach them is this way:

Tell them that you cannot legislate morality through the government, that it is the job of the church and the community to reach out to those in need. Let them know you think their goals are noble, but ultimately it hurts their cause if they are trying to force their values on others.

They will be able to sympathize if you remind them that by backing liberty they will keep government out of their lives and that they would have free choice of schools, and their tax dollars would not go to immoral programs.

This approach works. The thing is, they are good people, who do want to do the right thing, so if you are not putting down their values they will see the light.

Or what has more value... someone who does good because he is forced to, or someone who is given true free will and decides to behave in a righteous manner.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

didnt read all the replies, but from my own experience, one must seperate the implied "christian" message/support from so called candidate that decides to use "christian language" or "christian words" to get their stance across....truth or lie.


my mom and dad voted for McCain even though i always spoke of ron pauls message. they took McCain because during his debat with Obama, he stated that he was saved and believed in God, where as obama didnt really say so one way or the other.... Until that moment, they were unsure. thats all it took.


sad


Paul believes in god, but didnt push the fact because it has not much bearing or should have much bearing on the fight for our country. plus paul doesnt play the whole" christian" suck up game.

 

[M House]

Christianity didn't start this crap and if you don't know that, you don't know much of anything at all. It was started by a bunch of Atheist assholes, who have a God complex of THEMSELVES. The goal has always been to get rid of Christianity. That way you can give your full allegiance to THEM. I'm not saying that some misled Christians haven't fallen into the trap, because they HAVE. They are helping in their own destruction. I'm none too happy about that either. But, so are many atheists, agnostics and everything in-between.

Woah..... atheist assholes with a God complex, wtf? Should've joined earlier. Let it all out LE. Whatever, this thread was asking for more BS with a title like this though. Would've been interesting to see the gay vs. "Christians" battle. Anyway, Christianity isn't gonna disappear common it's seriously a ridiculously prominent majority. Even Mexicans are Christian for the most part. Hey, atleast we aren't Canada didn't they kick the protestants out sometime ago in their history.

 

[ARealConservative]

Because religion is collectivist by nature. Libertarians are individualist by definition. It's a contradiction.

this is an ironic response.

"us" is a collectivist word. I suspect The vast majority that supported Ron Paul would not pass a libertarian purity test either.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Woah..... atheist assholes with a God complex, wtf?

If you don't know what I'm talking about, you have a LOT of learning to do.

 

[ARealConservative]

If you don't know what I'm talking about, you have a LOT of learning to do.

same back at you LE.

The vast majority in this country believes in Jesus Christ in some way, shape, or form and as such, the majority of the blame can not be led at the feet of the atheists.....even the militant asshole variety.

 

[Dieseler]

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[M House]

Hey, I wasn't around in the old days of God complex atheists. I prefer to jump in to threads if I have to hear crap about what my beliefs are same as you. But whatever I can see the christians driving the gays away from the movement, and then the Christians getting driven away by the backlash like Torch said. If it was more complex than that, I don't know.

 

[LibertyEagle]

same back at you LE.

The vast majority in this country believes in Jesus Christ in some way, shape, or form and as such, the majority of the blame can not be led at the feet of the atheists.....even the militant asshole variety.

Well, that's interesting and all, but I was speaking about the people behind the curtain who have been working for scores of years to bring in world government. It was not a general statement about atheists.

 

[M House]

Those people to me don't have a set belief, anyway. They'll use whatever force they can religion or not. If your churches want to join them....great. If they don't.....sucks for them.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Those people to me don't have a set belief, anyway. They'll use whatever force they can religion or not. If your churches want to join them....great. If they don't.....sucks for them.

Well, just because they "don't to you", doesn't mean that they don't.

 

[ARealConservative]

Well, that's interesting and all, but I was speaking about the people behind the curtain who have been working for scores of years to bring in world government. It was not a general statement about atheists.

the people behind the curtain?

They are powerless without the will of the majority, and that is wear the blame truly lies.

 

[BlackTerrel]

I haven't read this whole thread but it would help if y'all weren't so anti-Christian. It's really effing tiresome. In a country where more than 80% are some form of Christian you'd think those with anti-Christian views would keep their mouths shut in order to help their cause.

 

[LibertyEagle]

the people behind the curtain?

They are powerless without the will of the majority, and that is wear the blame truly lies.

Well, the MAJORITY voted for Obama and it certainly wasn't Christians who put him in office.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I haven't read this whole thread but it would help if y'all weren't so anti-Christian. It's really effing tiresome. In a country where more than 80% are some form of Christian you'd think those with anti-Christian views would keep their mouths shut in order to help their cause.

True, but they're not wise enough to figure that out, apparently.