What are some people's problem with Ron Paul supporting Homeschooling?

[ConstitutionGal]

I'm all for educational freedom, but there are plenty of subjects and areas of learning that a book at home simply can't teach and are best left up to people that have worked their entire adult life to educate the youth and have the credentials to do so.

Credentials? Is this why practically NO public school will allow someone who has actually worked within a certain field to 'teach' it? Why not have actual accountants teach accounting or actual scientists teach science? The answer is because they actually got degrees in their chosen fields as opposed to having drop those more rigourous courses in favor of a 'degree' in 'education'. What you don't seem to be aware of is the fact that something like 80% of our current public school teachers actually started out going for a specialized degree and couldn't make the grade so....they changed their majors to 'education' and STILL graduated with the BOTTOM 25% of their classes! THESE are the folks that, for the most part, are your public school teachers. Just for grins and giggles, watch most any TV game show that requires contestants to answer questions (trivia or real knowledge) and what you'll see is the public school teachers most always coming in at the very bottom of the pack. They have been 'taught' how to 'teach' and, sadly, know very little else. Most parents are infinitely more qualified to inpart wisdom, learning methods and actual knowledge to their children, they've just been, as have you, brainwashed into believing that some teaching certificate or degree is necessary to actually teach.

 

[webber53]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

We homeschooled our 3 children that have long since graduated
from High school. Late 1990's and early 2000.

Our (wife & myself) chief reason to homeschool our
children was mainly educational. Religion was secondary.
We believed we could do a better job instructing and educating our
children and giving them the 1 on 1 attention that most children that
are in the public dumbed down education system do not receive.
No college education for any of the three.

Our eldest son is 29 and is a 3rd year manager at Best Buy.
He was an assistant manager at Lowes before that for 4 years (23-27 yoa)
The 2nd & 3rd both work for Travelers Insurance going on 4 years.
Both girls started at 19 yoa.
All 3 make $35-$45,000 per year, own their own homes have
2-3 cars each and are doing exceptionally well financially.

It is a urban legend that homeschooled children do not have the
social skills that public schooled children have. All three of our children
are very well adjusted and are very independent thinkers.
Homeschool networks have a huge array of scholastic, sports and
extra curricular activities, clubs and what not to interact with the 'public'.

I could go on but many parents take on a great and time consuming if not
monumental task in teaching their children at home and religion is a major
part but to lump all homeschooled children as religious fundamentalists is
like comparing all Ron Paul supporters on this forum as anarchists and potheads.

It just ain't so. FWIW

 

[kirkblitz]

i was homeschooled, it allowd me to enter college at age 16.How you may ask? Well if your homeschooled you are allowed to attend local universities and get dual credits Which satisfy College credits AND public school credits so your killing two birds with one stone. I was a sophmore by the time i entered college. I'm quite happy with homeschooling
I left public schools at the end of 8th grade due to the deteriating conditions at my local schools. Constant fights and the classrooms were like jungles, people vieing for top dog and not in the educational sense. There were daily fights and people were even murdred in the parking lot! This was a nice school in the suburbs to!

Also for those who say it doesnt promote socialising your wrong, in SC your forced to join a home school assocation with other kids. The assocation holds like group classes and field trips, we even have a graduation ceremony with the black hats and all.

 

[webber53]

Credentials? Is this why practically NO public school will allow someone who has actually worked within a certain field to 'teach' it? Why not have actual accountants teach accounting or actual scientists teach science? The answer is because they actually got degrees in their chosen fields as opposed to having drop those more rigourous courses in favor of a 'degree' in 'education'. What you don't seem to be aware of is the fact that something like 80% of our current public school teachers actually started out going for a specialized degree and couldn't make the grade so....they changed their majors to 'education' and STILL graduated with the BOTTOM 25% of their classes! THESE are the folks that, for the most part, are your public school teachers. Just for grins and giggles, watch most any TV game show that requires contestants to answer questions (trivia or real knowledge) and what you'll see is the public school teachers most always coming in at the very bottom of the pack. They have been 'taught' how to 'teach' and, sadly, know very little else. Most parents are infinitely more qualified to inpart wisdom, learning methods and actual knowledge to their children, they've just been, as have you, brainwashed into believing that some teaching certificate or degree is necessary to actually teach.

So true!
Say it over and over again

 

[JMann]

I just don't think that homeschooling provides the same rigor and routine necessary for a student to apply themselves properly. Pressure and competition among students, especially in high school, is a force that will drive students to excel.

Have you been in a public high school lately? Have you ever seen the inside of an inner city public high school. If that is the rigor and routine necessary for a student to apply themselves properly this country is in big trouble. May I suggest you find John Stossel "Stupid In America" report from about a year ago about the public school system. As Stossel puts it, public schools are a unionized government monopoly, would you want any other product delivered that way. Why don't we open unionized government monopoly grocery stores? That sounds like a great idea, if that was the case a home grocery or farm would sound like a great idea.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/stossel/story?id=1500338

 

[jblosser]

I just don't think that homeschooling provides the same rigor and routine necessary for a student to apply themselves properly. Pressure and competition among students, especially in high school, is a force that will drive students to excel.

Dude. American high school students do not excel. This should not be news.

Homeschool students, meanwhile, outperform them consistently. There are books you can read (at home) that will go into detail on this.

 

[webber53]

I have no problem with people homeschooling their kids - I just cannot imagine homeschooling MY KIDS. I have three boys (twins and 1 a year older) and I think I would be on the news or on that show "Snapped" if I had to homeschool them.

I doubt that! Some people are not cut out to take on the
task but sometimes great things come from adversity!

My wife thought similarly and now she is so happy
that she spent those formative years with our kids! FWIW

 

[webber53]

Homeschooling, like any education, is only as good as the teacher. People should be free to educate their children how they please and people without children or with kids not in public school shouldn't be forced by threat of a gun or foreclosure on property to pay for other's education.

Here Here!

 

[webber53]

No, they should be taught valid, accepted, peer-reviewed science. I assume you know what the scientific method is? I hope you are teaching it to your kids, and I assume you are. The scientific method is a series of steps a rational person can use to determine the validity of any claim or assertion. EVIDENCE is the key to science, rational thought, and critical thinking.

If someone puts forward a claim - "I played chess with bigfoot yesterday" - then the scientist's first question will always be the same: "Where is the valid evidence?"

I believe in things for which there is evidence. And there is NO valid evidence for any religion, even yours. Children should not be taught these divisive, blood-soaked ancient stories as "fact." It's not fair to the child to be subjected to this type of brainwashing. They are defenseless against it. By brainwashing your children into religion or bigfoot belief or whatever, you cripple and hinder their critical thinking faculties, by basically telling them to believe whatever the "higher authority" tells them to believe. All too often, this leads to societies that are easily steered into wars of aggression against other nations. If your children lack the ability to ask you, "Mommy, where is the valid evidence that Jonah lived in a fish's stomach for three days?" they might not ask their leaders, "Where is the evidence for weapons of mass destruction before you lead us into this war?"

You have every legal right to brainwash your children with dangerous fairytales, and I have every right to comdemn you for it.

Do you have children? If you do not, you have a limited understanding
of the reasons that many on this forum have opted for homeschooling.

Your rants show your immaturity and lack of knowledge plus a definite
overtone of public schooled brainwashing mentality.

You certainly show your detest for people that have a different view
than yours of how life began.

Are you sure you are not a closet liberal? FWIW

 

[the_bee]

potentially very receptive to the message of Dr. Paul

I think the reason parents are home schooling is because they want to make sure there kids are being taut how to learn not just how to remember a specific thing that will be brought up on a test, also I think anyone that thinks this way would be very receptive to/or already know and have studied the constitution, witch means they will be potentially very receptive to the message of Dr. Paul

 

[dannno]

anybody who thinks public schooling is in our best interest really needs to watch this...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...359&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


everybody else can watch this if they want to find out why people are voting and acting sheepish. it explains it pretty much in the first 14 minutes.

 

[nike]

Argh, page 11, no one will read this

I am a public school teacher. I teach high school social studies; so far this morning I have taught students about checks and balances and the reaction of citizens to American Imperialism during the the time of Spanish American war (amazing how these themes keep repeating themselves in history). I used to be able to write my own learning goals and objectives, but now I am mandated to align my lesson plans to the state standards and benchmarks, which in no way prepares students to take the mandatory state standardized assessment mandated by the federal government thanks to No Child Left Behind, legislation written by and aggressively pushed on this country by neocons who want public education to fail. The same Dominionist neocons who encourage parents to take their children out of public school and home school them.

For some reason, even though I have 6 years of education and a seasoned veteran in the classroom, I am constantly told I have no idea what I'm doing because I am an evil satanic public school teacher. I aggressively push my students to learn the constitution and to take interest in local government. For some reason kids who come to my classroom as high school students still don't know this stuff. What have they been doing for the past 9 years? Being prepared to take state standardized tests so the school can make AYP and get their funds from the government. It's no longer important if kids know anything of value, just get them ready for the test so we can get our money.

I would love to see the day when the Feds and State are no longer mandating what our schools teach from on high, and schools can come back into the jurisdiction of local communities, the way they should be.

 

[pinkmandy]

Argh, page 11, no one will read this

I am a public school teacher. I teach high school social studies; so far this morning I have taught students about checks and balances and the reaction of citizens to American Imperialism during the the time of Spanish American war (amazing how these themes keep repeating themselves in history). I used to be able to write my own learning goals and objectives, but now I am mandated to align my lesson plans to the state standards and benchmarks, which in no way prepares students to take the mandatory state standardized assessment mandated by the federal government thanks to No Child Left Behind, legislation written by and aggressively pushed on this country by neocons who want public education to fail. The same Dominionist neocons who encourage parents to take their children out of public school and home school them.

For some reason, even though I have 6 years of education and a seasoned veteran in the classroom, I am constantly told I have no idea what I'm doing because I am an evil satanic public school teacher. I aggressively push my students to learn the constitution and to take interest in local government. For some reason kids who come to my classroom as high school students still don't know this stuff. What have they been doing for the past 9 years? Being prepared to take state standardized tests so the school can make AYP and get their funds from the government. It's no longer important if kids know anything of value, just get them ready for the test so we can get our money.

I would love to see the day when the Feds and State are no longer mandating what our schools teach from on high, and schools can come back into the jurisdiction of local communities, the way they should be.

I have a lot of regard for the patriots out there fighting the system from the inside- I have met a few. I feel you are in a minority, though and that's a shame. You summed up perfectly why I homeschool. I'm not anti-public school, I'm anti-govt schools.

 

[Marty Duren]

Argh, page 11, no one will read this

I read it

Nike, we know that even the very best public school teachers are often tied by the expectations place upon them by their government minders. We have numerous public teacher friends who moan about having to spend so much classroom time preparing for one standardized test or another, while kids wind up with 3 hours of homework a night (essentially the work they should have been doing in the classroom).

Keep at it. Perhaps your tribe will increase and begin to take back the system from the educrats.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Argh, page 11, no one will read this

I not only read it, I applaude your efforts and can tell you that SOME of the public school teachers I know share your frustration. Sadly, the teachers unions always back more and more government control over the schools and they use YOUR money (dues) to do it. This is why the NEA backed Jimmy Carter for President when he ran - to get the control of the schools put at the federal level through the Carter created Dept. of Education.

 

[polexi]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

Good question. I've been in cyber-school for four years, now in my senior year. Even though I meet with friends after public school gets out of class, I'm still missing out on a lot of social development. But, I still favor home/cyber-school considering our public education system is doing a piss poor job at education kids nowadays.

For the record, I left public school because of a medical condition, not to have an extra clump of religion shoved down my throat. I'm an atheist.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

Anyone still confused about the purpose of publican education, and why many of us (including Dr. Paul) seek to dismantle the DoE, please go here: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

The above link leads to a site hosted by a 30 year veteran of the public education system, a man who was thrice named "Teacher of The Year," twice by NYC and once by NY state. The year he was named TotY by NY state, he wrote an editorial in the Wall Street Journal, explaining why he was quiting, along with what he had discovered about public schooling. Anyone curious about why so many reject public education and often opt for homeschooling, instead, should explore his website.


EDIT: "publican" must have been a Freudian slip, but/so I decided to leave it.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Anyone still confused about the purpose of publican education, and why many of us (including Dr. Paul) seek to dismantle the DoE, please go here: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

Mr. Gatto is one of my personal heros. Another is Charolotte Taylor Iserbyte of www.DeliberateDumbingDown.com Both have been whistle-blowers for years as they have both worked inside the education establishment.

 

[Ibtz]

Anyone still confused about the purpose of publican education, and why many of us (including Dr. Paul) seek to dismantle the DoE, please go here: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

The above link leads to a site hosted by a 30 year veteran of the public education system, a man who was thrice named "Teacher of The Year," twice by NYC and once by NY state. The year he was named TotY by NY state, he wrote an editorial in the Wall Street Journal, explaining why he was quiting, along with what he had discovered about public schooling. Anyone curious about why so many reject public education and often opt for homeschooling, instead, should explore his website.

Everyone should read his book, "The Underground History of American Education". It can be read from his website:

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

 

[the_bee]

Absolutely

Everyone should read his book, "The Underground History of American Education". It can be read from his website:

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

Absolutely