What are some people's problem with Ron Paul supporting Homeschooling?

[webber53]

I can tell you one thing right now.

When we homeschooled our three children now all adults,
we never had to check their backpacks for drugs or weapons.
Never had to make them walk through a metal detector before
entering school and never had a sherriff or county resource
officers patrol the premises to make sure they stayed in school!

 

[stevenstremciuc]

I can tell you one thing right now.

When we homeschooled our three children now all adults,
we never had to check their backpacks for drugs or weapons.
Never had to make them walk through a metal detector before
entering school and never had a sherriff or county resource
officers patrol the premises to make sure they stayed in school!

It's no coincidence our schools are so oft compared to prisons.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Quantum mechanics and general relativity are also "theories." Should they be banned from science class? What about gravity? Gravity is also a theory. I suppose you still aren't quite convinced about gravity either???????

I hope you will allow your children to glimpse some actual science to counter the grim superstitions you are apparently filling their heads with. Perhaps you would allow them to watch Dr. Carl Sagan's COSMOS series? Will you allow them to study real science?

As long as they are taught as THEORIES, there's no problem. The problem is that the public schools want to teach evolution as FACT instead of the THEORY that it is.

What and how we teach our children is really none of your business but, just for the record, we have and do teach the THEORY of evolution as we want our children to have the broadest possible knowledge base possible. We've also taught them about other religions and cultures but that certainly doesn't mean that we think they're superior to our own.

The issue here is whether the government (state) should be involved in education or not - not whatever your personal, juvenile beliefs happen to be or not be.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

I can tell you one thing right now.

When we homeschooled our three children now all adults,
we never had to check their backpacks for drugs or weapons.
Never had to make them walk through a metal detector before
entering school and never had a sheriff or county resource
officers patrol the premises to make sure they stayed in school!

Yes, but if you are teaching them Creationism, you are teaching them junk science and shortchanging them on their science education.

Again, I am in favor of home-schooling, but this discussion has drifted off into other topics, like brainwashing children with religious beliefs.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

There are some that seem to benefit by every individual being isolated from each other. Although school seems to be a good social network, it may actually be the opposite.

 

[webber53]

Yes, but if you are teaching them Creationism, you are teaching them junk science and shortchanging them on their science education.

Again, I am in favor of home-schooling, but this discussion has drifted off into other topics, like brainwashing children with religious beliefs.

Once again I ask you,
Are you a qualified teacher?
Are you a qualified accredited scientist?
Where did you acquire all of your higher learning?

You continue to speak and preach as one with years of
experience yet I would hazard to guess that you don't have
a college degree. Probably are not married and probably
still live at home. These are scientific guesses. It has all
ready been determined that you don't have any children
or at least you can not prove that you do.

Therefore I deduce that your statements are mere opinion
and carry no weight of authority or creedence.

Care to truthfully tell me how many points I was correct on?

 

[moostraks]

Yes, but if you are teaching them Creationism, you are teaching them junk science and shortchanging them on their science education.

Again, I am in favor of home-schooling, but this discussion has drifted off into other topics, like brainwashing children with religious beliefs.

Some might say that teaching them evolution is junk science too. Especially in the manner in which it is taught as scientific fact. This is why homeschooling is important because individuals who don't have children should not decide on how my children will view life on a subjective morality basis. The government school system is an indoctrination program for proper government socialized behaviour and thinking....

FWIW my children also learn both theories...

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

As long as they are taught as THEORIES, there's no problem. The problem is that the public schools want to teach evolution as FACT instead of the THEORY that it is.

What and how we teach our children is really none of your business but, just for the record, we have and do teach the THEORY of evolution as we want our children to have the broadest possible knowledge base possible. We've also taught them about other religions and cultures but that certainly doesn't mean that we think they're superior to our own.

The issue here is whether the government (state) should be involved in education or not - not whatever your personal, juvenile beliefs happen to be or not be.

Public schools do not teach evolution as "fact" any more or less than they teach gravity or quantum mechanics as fact. Generally science will call ideas like these "theories" because science, unlike religion, is always open to its ideas being proven wrong, or having our understanding of them change significantly. There are literally MOUNTAINS of valid, scientific evidence for evolution, gravity, quantum mechanics, general and special relativity, etc. No rational person disputes that any of them are valid and real.

Well, I applaud you for teaching your children some real science. Will you allow them to watch Dr. Carl Sagan's COSMOS series? Yes or no?

 

[webber53]

"like brainwashing children with religious beliefs."

Maytheronbewithyou,

You are intelligent enough I hope to realize that espousing
no particular religion or belief can be argued that it is a religion
in and of itself.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Once again I ask you,
Are you a qualified teacher?
Are you a qualified accredited scientist?
Where did you acquire all of your higher learning?

You continue to speak and preach as one with years of
experience yet I would hazard to guess that you don't have
a college degree. Probably are not married and probably
still live at home. These are scientific guesses. It has all
ready been determined that you don't have any children
or at least you can not prove that you do.

Therefore I deduce that your statements are mere opinion
and carry no weight of authority or creedence.

Care to truthfully tell me how many points I was correct on?

None. Yes, I worked as a science teacher for two years. These days I own my own technology company, but I did very much enjoy teaching. This is how I gained my understanding and respect for the scientific method. But I'm not sure what my own personal circumnstances have to do with any of this. I am arguing based on logic and reason and evidence, not on my personal background. Usually people resort to "personal" questions when they are losing a debate on its merits.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Well, I applaud you for teaching your children some real science. Will you allow them to watch Dr. Carl Sagan's COSMOS series? Yes or no?

Actually, the public schools gloss over that 'theory' angle as most any school child can tell you. You keep bringing gravity and, frankly, I find that pretty laughable - apples anyone?

As for the Cosmos series, my husband has it all on VHS tape (he recorded it off PBS quite some time ago) because he thought it was well done. Needless to say, the older two children have seen it but it's way over the head of the youngest so far.

Again I reiterate, this thread isn't about WHAT is being force-fed to children in the government schools so much as it is about WHY it is being done and who should have the ultimate say in what children are taught. If neither you nor I have a right to force our beliefs on the other, then we can not subjugate that right to the state. Period.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

As for the Cosmos series, my husband has it all on VHS tape (he recorded it off PBS quite some time ago) because he thought it was well done. Needless to say, the older two children have seen it but it's way over the head of the youngest so far.

Well I applaud you for allowing your children to watch a real science show like COSMOS. If you want to give them a chance to have a counter-point to the religious superstition you are apparently teaching them, you might consider the book "Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark." This book argues the merits of critical thinking as opposed to superstitious thinking and is appropriate for high school aged students. I hope you will allow your children to see both sides of the religion and superstition debate. Will you allow them to read Carl Sagan's "Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" and make up their own minds about religion? Or will you force your own superstitions on them?

 

[webber53]

None. Yes, I worked as a science teacher for two years. These days I own my own technology company, but I did very much enjoy teaching. This is how I gained my understanding and respect for the scientific method. But I'm not sure what my own personal circumnstances have to do with any of this. I am arguing based on logic and reason and evidence, not on my personal background. Usually people resort to "personal" questions when they are losing a debate on its merits.

Then I stand corrected.

What is your argument then?

You have spent hours arguing with Ron Paul supporters
trying to push your opinions as fact on a subject that you
have admitted you know little about.


What is your point to homeschooling parents and to those that have
stated the merits of homeschooling and being homeschooled?

Just what is it that you would like us all to understand?

 

[moostraks]

Well I applaud you for allowing your children to watch a real science show like COSMOS. If you want to give them a chance to have a counter-point to the religious superstition you are apparently teaching them, you might consider the book "Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark." This book argues the merits of critical thinking as opposed to superstitious thinking and is appropriate for high school aged students. I hope you will allow your children to see both sides of the religion and superstition debate. Will you allow them to read Carl Sagan's "Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" and make up their own minds about religion? Or will you force your own superstitions on them?

Wow you are really vicious about parents raising children with their own values... Why so agressive in indoctrinating children into your perception of reality???

 

[Luft97]

But I'm not sure what my own personal circumnstances have to do with any of this. I am arguing based on logic and reason and evidence, not on my personal background.

Why won't this thread die?

Give it up man. You don't know that your stance is right you only think it is. No one knows for sure, that is why people should have the right to practice and TEACH religion without opression. You should have your right to believe as you do just as others have the freedom to. Your stance is you are right they are wrong therefore it should NOT be allowed. Go watch your Cosmos movies and chill out. Or wait maybe that kind of garbage should not be allowed it is blasphemy.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Well I applaud you for allowing your children to watch a real science show like COSMOS. If you want to give them a chance to have a counter-point to the religious superstition you are apparently teaching them, you might consider the book "Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark." This book argues the merits of critical thinking as opposed to superstitious thinking and is appropriate for high school aged students. I hope you will allow your children to see both sides of the religion and superstition debate. Will you allow them to read Carl Sagan's "Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" and make up their own minds about religion? Or will you force your own superstitions on them?

Make a deal with you: you teach your children (when you have any) the way you best see fit and I'll teach mine the way my husband and I best see fit. No government intervention involved either way. Of course, you seem hell-bent on making others buy into your particular brand of 'logic', so I rather doubt you'll ever concede that you have no right whatsoever to tell others how/what to teach their children.

I think I'm done with you now as I've grown tired of trying to have an intelligent conversation about government interference with someone who refuses to grasp the concept.

 

[AlabamaWildMan]

"...If you want to teach your kids to think like you, then you are certainly free to do so.
I respect that.
But you don't seem to respect others' rights to do the same..."

BINGO !

We have A Winnah ! !!

 

[nike]

This thread is a classic example why it's so dangerous to be a teacher these days.

I've read John Taylor Gatto. I also enjoy reading Linda Schrock Taylor on Lew Rockwell.com

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Make a deal with you: you teach your children (when you have any) the way you best see fit and I'll teach mine the way my husband and I best see fit. No government intervention involved either way. Of course, you seem hell-bent on making others buy into your particular brand of 'logic', so I rather doubt you'll ever concede that you have no right whatsoever to tell others how/what to teach their children.

I think I'm done with you now as I've grown tired of trying to have an intelligent conversation about government interference with someone who refuses to grasp the concept.

I have already stated that the GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO IMPOSE ON YOUR HOME-SCHOOLING. Can I make it any more clear???

I have said that, MORALLY, I think it is wrong for you to hold your children hostage to your superstitious, religious beliefs. I don't care if you want to attempt to brainwash adults with your superstitions, but it's not fair to brainwash defenseless children with your religion and superstition. I find it interesting that you will not address the question I posed to you: Will you allow your children to read books discussing the case against superstition and religion, or will you hold them hostage to your own superstitious beliefs?

 

[ConstitutionGal]

I have already stated that the GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO IMPOSE ON YOUR HOME-SCHOOLING. Can I make it any more clear???

I have said that, MORALLY, I think it is wrong for you to hold your children hostage to your superstitious, religious beliefs. I don't care if you want to attempt to brainwash adults with your superstitions, but it's not fair to brainwash defenseless children with your religion and superstition. I find it interesting that you will not address the question I posed to you: Will you allow your children to read books discussing the case against superstition and religion, or will you hold them hostage to your own superstitious beliefs?

Please see my last post to you above.