What are some people's problem with Ron Paul supporting Homeschooling?

[ckhagen]

Yeah, but I mean life is about more than learning lessons from a book. Much of success or failure has to do with how you interact with others and get along with others... which is something you learn in school.

Aren't most home schoolers religious fundamentalists? How do home schooled kids learn social networking skills?

I hope you're joking.

I was homeschooled K-12. Throughout my life, I've met more socially apt homeschoolers than socially apt public/private schoolers. Because I wasn't pigeonholed into socializing only with people my own age, I learned how to converse with people of ALL ages, old and young. It grew the amount of respect I have for all views and generations.

Very few of my homeschooled friends were fundamentalist. These days, I know more atheists who homeschool than fundamentalists.

I graduated from college at 18 with a 3.895 GPA and was hired in my field prior to graduating at a salary higher than my co-workers who were in their late twenties with BFAs from prestigious colleges and several years of experience.

The kind of social experience I have helps me immensely, especially in situations like the ones I'm dealing with now... Going into GOP meetings and dealing with people 3+ times my age, having their expectations of someone my age and gender shattered (hm, wonder where they got those expectations?), and being able to have my ideas and suggestions accepted.

Being homeschooled... I had a very good education, I was able to spend extra time and focus on subjects that engaged me. And to top it off, I learned how to act like a grown up, take some responsibility for myself and my actions, and acclimate to whatever environment I'm in at the time.

People need to stop assuming and applying sterotypes to homeschooled people (read: adults at this point in many cases). Dr. Paul would be horrified at the misconceptions passed around.

Oh, and there are certainly no more "messed up" homeschoolers than there are "messed up" public schoolers. If you could do a quick check of the number per capita in jail or rehab, I could guarantee you the vast majority of them went to public or private school.

 

[ckhagen]

This is about the stupidest comment I have ever seen in referrence to homeschooling. So you cannot get a girlfriend of live a fulfilled life if you are homeschooled?!?!?!?!?!?

Agreed. Um, I had several boyfriends, much to my parents dismay, lol! I met my current husband when I was 14, started dating him at 16 (after I dated a bunch of other idiots first), and married at 18. I've been married for 6 years now.

Heck, I was asked by three different guys to go to three different Senior proms in the same year.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

I hope you're joking.

I was homeschooled K-12. Throughout my life, I've met more socially apt homeschoolers than socially apt public/private schoolers.

No doubt. In fact, I'm ashamed to admit that I partially bought into that "socialization" canard, until I actually met a large group of entirely homeshooled 18-20 year olds. They were the most socially well adjusted group of people I had ever met, of any age. I was sold. Don't believe the lies. Who wants to be "socialized," anyway? Personally, I'd rather be privatized.

 

[the_bee]

YA!!!!!!!!!!

I hope you're joking.

I was homeschooled K-12. Throughout my life, I've met more socially apt homeschoolers than socially apt public/private schoolers. Because I wasn't pigeonholed into socializing only with people my own age, I learned how to converse with people of ALL ages, old and young. It grew the amount of respect I have for all views and generations.

Very few of my homeschooled friends were fundamentalist. These days, I know more atheists who homeschool than fundamentalists.

I graduated from college at 18 with a 3.895 GPA and was hired in my field prior to graduating at a salary higher than my co-workers who were in their late twenties with BFAs from prestigious colleges and several years of experience.

The kind of social experience I have helps me immensely, especially in situations like the ones I'm dealing with now... Going into GOP meetings and dealing with people 3+ times my age, having their expectations of someone my age and gender shattered (hm, wonder where they got those expectations?), and being able to have my ideas and suggestions accepted.

Being homeschooled... I had a very good education, I was able to spend extra time and focus on subjects that engaged me. And to top it off, I learned how to act like a grown up, take some responsibility for myself and my actions, and acclimate to whatever environment I'm in at the time.

People need to stop assuming and applying sterotypes to homeschooled people (read: adults at this point in many cases). Dr. Paul would be horrified at the misconceptions passed around.

Oh, and there are certainly no more "messed up" homeschoolers than there are "messed up" public schoolers. If you could do a quick check of the number per capita in jail or rehab, I could guarantee you the vast majority of them went to public or private school.

Very good I love it

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

May the Ron be with You:

Are you suggesting that the secular humanistic garbage crammed down millions of public school children's throats is not religious in nature?

Neutrality is a myth. It doesn't exist. The state does not own my children, nor should they be allowed to tell me how to educate them.

What "secular humanistic garbage" stuff are you talking about?????

I think schools SHOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT RELIGION AT ALL. Understand? They should not say there is a god, and they should not say there isn't. So I don't know what you're talking about. If you consider evolution "secular humanistic garbage" then you fail at science altogether and your opinion is that a fringe kook, similar to members of the Flat Earth Society.

And by the way, I am not in any way criticizing home schooling. I like the idea actually, especially since so many here have allayed my concerns about the social aspects of it. If by "secular humanistic garbage" you mean teaching sex ed to kids in school and socialist teachers cramming their political agenda into the minds of children, then yes, I agree this could be seen by many people as an infringement on their parental rights.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

When you use the force of government to enforce your beliefs or disbeliefs on someone else, it is wrong. You do realize, don't you, that secularism is a belief for which there is no proof and that it is the preferred belief of those who wish do to away with national sovereignty?

You are making no sense at all. You seem to have a misunderstanding of the fundamental issues here. Secularism does not assert or claim ANYTHING. Secularism asks you, the religious person, to show valid evidence for your assertions and claims. It is not possible for a secular person to disprove "God" any more than it is possible for us to disprove "Bigfoot" or "The Tooth Fairy." You cannot prove a negative like this.

I don't want the "government to enforce my beliefs or disbeliefs on someone else." Where did I say that?????? I don't want the subject of religion to be ANY PART of what is taught in school. That is not pro religion, nor is it anti-religion.

And yes, I will condemn you personally for brainwashing your children with blood-soaked ancient fables you are passing off to them as "fact." You are crippling their ability to think critically. These children trust you 100% and have no defenses against the irrational superstitions you are cramming into their minds. Shame on you. Why won't you allow them to think for themselves and make their own decisions about religion? Or is that deep down, you fear they will not choose such a preposterous and irrational belief system as the one seem to have fallen for hook, line and sinker?

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Herein lies the underlying problem with the public schools and the NEA:

In the words of Chester Pierce, Professor of Psychiatry and Education at Harvard in an address to the NEA, "Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our Founding Fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It's up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well - by creating the international child of the future."

 

[ConstitutionGal]

You are making no sense at all. You seem to have a misunderstanding of the fundamental issues here. Secularism does not assert or claim ANYTHING. Secularism asks you, the religious person, to show valid evidence for your assertions and claims. It is not possible for a secular person to disprove "God" any more than it is possible for us to disprove "Bigfoot" or "The Tooth Fairy." You cannot prove a negative like this.

I don't want the "government to enforce my beliefs or disbeliefs on someone else." Where did I say that?????? I don't want the subject of religion to be ANY PART of what is taught in school. That is not pro religion, nor is it anti-religion.

And yes, I will condemn you personally for brainwashing your children with blood-soaked ancient fables you are passing off to them as "fact." You are crippling their ability to think critically. These children trust you 100% and have no defenses against the irrational superstitions you are cramming into their minds. Shame on you. Why won't you allow them to think for themselves and make their own decisions about religion? Or is that deep down, you fear they will not choose such a preposterous and irrational belief system as the one seem to have fallen for hook, line and sinker?

What is your freakin' problem? You DO know that old addage about 'ASSuming', don't you? IF no religion should, according to you, be taught in school because it is unproven, then, by extension of that 'logic', neither should evolution because it too is a THEORY. THIS is the problem with government run schools. Schools cannot be all things to all people and kow-towing to one group is, in essence, forcing their beliefs (or lack thereof) on the rest. Look at my quote from Pierce above and then get back to me when you grow up and turn into an adult who can debate an issue without with resorting to ad hominine attacks.

 

[moostraks]

What "secular humanistic garbage" stuff are you talking about?????

I think schools SHOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT RELIGION AT ALL. Understand? They should not say there is a god, and they should not say there isn't. So I don't know what you're talking about. If you consider evolution "secular humanistic garbage" then you fail at science altogether and your opinion is that a fringe kook, similar to members of the Flat Earth Society.

And by the way, I am not in any way criticizing home schooling. I like the idea actually, especially since so many here have allayed my concerns about the social aspects of it. If by "secular humanistic garbage" you mean teaching sex ed to kids in school and socialist teachers cramming their political agenda into the minds of children, then yes, I agree this could be seen by many people as an infringement on their parental rights.

Secular humanism is a humanist philosophy that upholds reason, ethics, and justice, and specifically rejects the supernatural and the spiritual as warrants of moral reflection and decision-making. Like other types of humanism, secular humanism is a life stance focusing on the way human beings can lead good and happy lives.

The term "secular humanism" was coined in the 20th century to make a clear distinction from "religious humanism". A related concept is scientific humanism, which the biologist Edward O. Wilson claimed to be "the only worldview compatible with science's growing knowledge of the real world and the laws of nature".[1]

Please don't get defensive with me but this is the definition of secular humanism per wiki. It is what the state has to attempt to portray when teaching such a broad range of children with diverse backgrounds. You cannot teach children subjective morality and all issues cannot be taught based upon a vacuum. You must first decide who is the authority deciding which facts are accurate. Think of it as the FOX news effect. THe government decides for you, the parent, how they, the children, should view their, the governments, reality.

 

[webber53]

Judgementatal liberal

You are making no sense at all. You seem to have a misunderstanding of the fundamental issues here. Secularism does not assert or claim ANYTHING. Secularism asks you, the religious person, to show valid evidence for your assertions and claims. It is not possible for a secular person to disprove "God" any more than it is possible for us to disprove "Bigfoot" or "The Tooth Fairy." You cannot prove a negative like this.

I don't want the "government to enforce my beliefs or disbeliefs on someone else." Where did I say that?????? I don't want the subject of religion to be ANY PART of what is taught in school. That is not pro religion, nor is it anti-religion.

And yes, I will condemn you personally for brainwashing your children with blood-soaked ancient fables you are passing off to them as "fact." You are crippling their ability to think critically. These children trust you 100% and have no defenses against the irrational superstitions you are cramming into their minds. Shame on you. Why won't you allow them to think for themselves and make their own decisions about religion? Or is that deep down, you fear they will not choose such a preposterous and irrational belief system as the one seem to have fallen for hook, line and sinker?

Do you have children?
Are you even married?

Your arguments are baseless!

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion but as usual they
are based on your beliefs. Not facts.

As I have stated to you before, you are an agitator.
An antagonist and a closet liberal with no room for
anyone else's beliefs or opinions. Go start another thread.
That's basically what you do here anyway. FWIW.
P.S. How about answering my questions before you rant.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

What is your freakin' problem? You DO know that old adage about 'ASSuming', don't you? IF no religion should, according to you, be taught in school because it is unproven, then, by extension of that 'logic', neither should evolution because it too is a THEORY.

Quantum mechanics and general relativity are also "theories." Should they be banned from science class? What about gravity? Gravity is also a theory. I suppose you still aren't quite convinced about gravity either???????

I hope you will allow your children to glimpse some actual science to counter the grim superstitions you are apparently filling their heads with. Perhaps you would allow them to watch Dr. Carl Sagan's COSMOS series? Will you allow them to study real science?

 

[stevenstremciuc]

WTF???

Are you actually saying that people who raise their children with religious beliefs are bad parents?

OMFG! Keep out of my life -K?

Drea

Keep out of your life? Are you trying to be funny?

Nowhere in my post did I say or imply that people who raise their children with religious beliefs are bad parents. I am utterly confused on where you even got that notion. Please reread the post. (I don't know why I'm even replying to someone whose ratio of lame internet acronym usage per sentence is about 1 to 1)

 

[fedup100]

Ron just wants education freedom. For you to decide how you want your children educated, for there to be competition in education, that the government does not decide where and how your child is educated.

Every parent and or teacher needs to read this ebook for a complete understanding of the crisis in education and the elites agenda for your children. You can also listen to Alex Jones interview with John Gatto 1/23/08, you cannot believe the magnitude of the enemies plan unless you research this.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/

 

[webber53]

Hey MayTheRonBeWithYou,

Do you have any children?

 

[webber53]

without reading everything here, my first thought was that it's weird and homeschoolers are weird.... but that was just a stereotype.. i'm on board with it now.

I'm glad we held the train for you!

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Hey MayTheRonBeWithYou,

Do you have any children?

Not that I know of.

 

[webber53]

Hey MayTheRonBeWithYou,
Are you a teacher?

 

[stevenstremciuc]

It'd be great if this thread was limited to the scope of homeschooling instead of going off on a tangential debate regarding evolutionary theory.

I obviously don't agree with MayTheRonBeWithYou's "school as place to develop social skills" attitude. That said, I do find it unsettling yet unsurprising the vociferousness with which evolution is under attack on this thread (by only a handful of people).

+1 FOR Evolutionary theory

 

[webber53]

It'd be great if this thread was limited to the scope of homeschooling instead of going off on a tangential debate regarding evolutionary theory.

I obviously don't agree with MayTheRonBeWithYou's "school as place to develop social skills" attitude. That said, I do find it unsettling yet unsurprising the vociferousness with which evolution is under attack on this thread (by only a handful of people).

+1 FOR Evolutionary theory

+1 for Creationism

 

[Drea]

Keep out of your life? Are you trying to be funny?

Nowhere in my post did I say or imply that people who raise their children with religious beliefs are bad parents. I am utterly confused on where you even got that notion. Please reread the post. (I don't know why I'm even replying to someone whose ratio of lame internet acronym usage per sentence is about 1 to 1)

Edited to say yes I was replying to you. Your last sentence says it all.

Drea