Wead Says Rand Paul in Better Position for 2016 Because of Ron Paul

[Brett85]

Dude are you kidding me? Amash is amazing. If we focus more on "getting things done" than "sticking with the message" then we become watered down, and just as effective as the Tea Party, which is to say not at all. Amash stick with the message, and makes sure to be as open as possible with every single vote he makes. I would vote Amash in a heart beat in 2016 (Assuming he is actually old enough. Does anyone know how old he is?)

Lol. What makes Amash any better than Rand? Amash voted for sanctions against Iran as well.

 

[misean]

Dude are you kidding me? Amash is amazing. If we focus more on "getting things done" than "sticking with the message" then we become watered down, and just as effective as the Tea Party, which is to say not at all. Amash stick with the message, and makes sure to be as open as possible with every single vote he makes. I would vote Amash in a heart beat in 2016 (Assuming he is actually old enough. Does anyone know how old he is?)

I would vote for Amash unless Rand was running.

The chances of Amash running and winning in 2016 are 0.00001 percent. I'm glad people question orthodoxy but it is kind of hard to explain how absurd the idea of Amash running is.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Dude are you kidding me? Amash is amazing. If we focus more on "getting things done" than "sticking with the message" then we become watered down, and just as effective as the Tea Party, which is to say not at all. Amash stick with the message, and makes sure to be as open as possible with every single vote he makes. I would vote Amash in a heart beat in 2016 (Assuming he is actually old enough. Does anyone know how old he is?)

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[LibertyEagle]

Rand will be in a much better position for two main reasons....

first: Rand will actively reach out to groups that Ron simply didn't work with. Hannity, Beck, and other traditional republicans.

I don't know what they are, but they are not traditional conservatives. Hannity is a neocon. I don't quite know what Beck is. But, some of their audience is. Albeit, traditional conservatives who have been misled.

second: we are growing while they are shrinking. Our wing of the party is growing simply based on the old guard dying.

And with it, dies some of the remnant that Ron Paul often mentions.

The fact that Rand is actively cutting into the traditional GOP contingent as well as the pure demographics of the situation mean we will be in a much better shape in '16 than we are now.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If rand decides he's going to run in 2016, I will run against him.

Lets see how much everyone on the forum likes that.

Who cares?

 

[anaconda]

I'm sure Wead will make good money running his campaign.

Next time I want to see the budget for campaign salaries before I donate.

 

[newbitech]

I'm sure Wead will make good money running his campaign.

Dig Weed would make an awesome campaign manager in 2016

 

[jmdrake]

Here's the catch-22. His father's supporters will simply not be as enthusiastic post the Romney endorsement as they otherwise would have been. That's just the honest truth. Rand will have broader support than Ron did (more "teocons") but his support won't be as deep. Lost of people who were willing to cash in gold reserves to raise money for Ron won't do that for Rand. At least that's the way it stands today. Four years are a long time. It is time enough to mend fences in the liberty movement, or to burn more bridges. We'll see what happens.

 

[Brett85]

Here's the catch-22. His father's supporters will simply not be as enthusiastic post the Romney endorsement as they otherwise would have been. That's just the honest truth. Rand will have broader support than Ron did (more "teocons") but his support won't be as deep. Lost of people who were willing to cash in gold reserves to raise money for Ron won't do that for Rand. At least that's the way it stands today. Four years are a long time. It is time enough to mend fences in the liberty movement, or to burn more bridges. We'll see what happens.

I've already said that I'll max out to make up for the anarchists who won't support Rand in 2016. I hope others do the same.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Next time I want to see the budget for campaign salaries before I donate.

I think you should go get the real numbers this time, rather than the hyped numbers. Dr. Paul doesn't pay squat.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

And with it, dies some of the remnant that Ron Paul often mentions.

I think way more of the dead Republicans will be way more of the pro-war, pro-big government so I can get my entitlements types than the remnant. We just gotta hope that a crop of great young leaders arise from the Ron Paul revolution, Rand's recent endorsement of Romney isn't a sell out of key principles and that shit doesn't hit the fan too hard. If that happens, we're in amazing shape.

 

[schiffheadbaby]

I think you should go get the real numbers this time, rather than the hyped numbers. Dr. Paul doesn't pay squat.

Could you link those? What was a guy like Dmitiri Kesari making?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Sorry, you'll have to go look it up yourself. I already satisfied my own curiosity.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think way more of the dead Republicans will be way more of the pro-war, pro-big government so I can get my entitlements types than the remnant.

That's an odd statement. You do realize that in those people you so easily discard, you are also talking about people like Ron Paul, the guy who was on the floor in Louisiana and countless others. People who know way more than you do.

We just gotta hope that a crop of great young leaders arise from the Ron Paul revolution, Rand's recent endorsement of Romney isn't a sell out of key principles and that shit doesn't hit the fan too hard. If that happens, we're in amazing shape.

Uh huh.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

That's an odd statement. You do realize that in those people you so easily discard, you are also talking about people like Ron Paul, the guy who was on the floor in Louisiana and countless others. People who know way more than you do.



Uh huh.

Well I almost made it through the day without wanting to throw up. Lol. You know what is worse than that? I bet if you polled the people that voted for Obama in 08, 90% would say they're voting for him again.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

I don't really view it as our movement growing and theirs shrinking when we move towards their way of thinking instead of convincing them of ours.

 

[ProIndividual]

Some want to win elections by compromising principles. Some want to educate and change more minds to create a massive societal paradigm shift (like another Enlightenment).

I'm with the latter.

Winning elections by compromising principles is a Pyrrhic victory. Creating a paradigm shift in philosophy lasts for much longer (although it takes longer to achieve).

Some of us need to sacrifice now to create a REAL win later...not in 2016 necessarily.

Amash, Napolitano, etc. in 2016 (whether they are more likely to win or not). I'll never vote or support Rand.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Rand Paul will be in much better stead with the REPUBLICANS who shied away from his "kooky" father.

But the Grand Old Party is tacking harder "right". Ergo, Rand Paul will NOT be in better stead with NON Republicans.

Did he lose a gamble or accomplish a mission, that is the question.

Bingo! Dude has Bingo!^^^^^ Winner winner chicken dinner.

/thread

and give the man a prize.

I don't really view it as our movement growing and theirs shrinking when we move towards their way of thinking instead of convincing them of ours.

uh oh, looks like we have two winners.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em convince them to join you.

 

[musicmax]

Who?

Vermin Supreme.

 

[musicmax]

Right now, I'd rather cast a vote for Amash, than Rand.

I'd prefer to see multiple liberty candidates on stage at the early debates so that neither JA or RPII comes across as an "outlier". I would even endorse the idea of coordinating liberty voters' responses to polls so that rather than RPII coming in at 20% and JA at 2% when the season starts in 2015, "we" all poll for JA so that it's more like 12 and 10 and the debate organizers can't exclude Amash.

That being said a LOT has to happen in the next 3 years to provide Amash enough publicity to move beyond the point where guys like Johnson, McCotter, Roemer and Karger got this past cycle.