We need to GET BEHIND TREVOR & NOVEMBER 30th - RudysReadingList.com

[Eleanor]

Winning the New Hampshire primary is infinitely more important than raising ten million dollars in one day. Winning a key primary guarantees legitimacy, raising money just shows there are enthusiastic supporters.

That puts it in a beautiful nutshell. Thank you.

Now if we can only improve today's donations... As of 1:15 PM ET there have been only 142 donations coming to $14,815 for the day. We've had much better days than that before.

 

[jonathanwebb]

Whether detractors agree or not, www.RudysReadingList.com is already going viral.

There's not much anyone can do to stop the Dec. 30 effort at this point; it's going to happen.

Signups are exponentially increasing, meetup groups are getting the word out, and a lot of websites have info or ads about the Dec. 30 event already posted.

Alex Jones just put it on his web site as well this morning, and he has a pretty large following:

http://www.infowars.net/articles/november2007/231107Donation.htm

Free Market news also picked up the story today also:

http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=51768&fb=1

 

[Original_Intent]

That puts it in a beautiful nutshell. Thank you.

Now if we can only improve today's donations... As of 1:15 PM ET there have been only 142 donations coming to $14,815 for the day. We've had much better days than that before.

A $10 million Dec 16th does far more to win New Hampshire than a consistent $150K per day or a misbegotten mini-bomblet/grenade on the 30th.

 

[stevedasbach]

I posted this in one of the other threads, but might as well post here too...


Bydlak was anti-moneybomb from the start of the Nov 5th campaign. Although, while the V and Guy Fawkes references were through the roof, I wasn't fond of the idea either. I only began promoting the date once the V references were removed. Bydlak, however, NEVER liked the concentrated donation day idea. No huge surprise that he's trying to sabotage the 16th.


Really now? So Bydlak thinks we would have brought in that 4.3 mil and then some had Nov 5th never happened? Interesting.

The date on that was prior to Nov 5th. A lot of minds were changed on Nov 5th.

 

[Mark37snj]

Some of you seem to get the point, the rest miss it. Kind of a forest for the trees thing.

A few ads will not make that much difference. Those of you pushing to spread this huge donation over two days are making a terrible mistake. The Boston Tea Party is a wonderful theme and yes, every dollar donated on the 30th takes away from the 16th. Instead of one wonderful, wonderous day that will bring in tens of millions of dollars of advertising (that is all the news is these days anyway) you want to water it down so you can have one million to spend on some ads.

That is not the way the public learns. After Nov.5th for the first time ever Ron Paul became somewhat electable. Only slightly, but he did become electable. Ads for an unelectable guy are useless. If we do not make a huge splash on the 16th, then we don't have a candidate to advertise about.

You are missing a huge part of strategy of business planning. You cannot do the same thing over and over and expect any press. It gets old. So either you get some press for a man who is unelectable and put out some ads for an unelectable candidate, or you get the most press ever for a man who becomes instantly electable and any following ads get paid attention to instead of ignored.

You cannot plan an event like this - haphazard and all over the place and trying to do a thousand things at once - either you focus on one thing and do it well, or try to do several things at once poorly.

That is exactly right!!! November 5th showed us the way. We were of one voice, one goal, one purpose. Thousands of people all working together led by sound wisdom, not by some panicky 23 year old kid with no experience and a track record for screwing up ( ie moving Philly Rally to Valley Forge ). It appears we are now a victum of our own success. I don't think we will ever get a consensus and anything again, especially now that we see what a few people who act unilaterally can do.

 

[mtmedlin]

Guys, let it die. I hate the two bomb idea but the damage is done. Those of us opposed arent changing our mind, those for it arent changing theirs. Let it go and move on. This isnt the first time this forum has had an all out brawl, but in the end we come back together and move on. In a week from now, it will be over. Let it go for 1 week.

 

[McDermit]

People seem to forget as well that 16th will provide FREE AND IMMEDIATE ADVERTISING within just a few weeks of the first primary. The 30th will not.

RP himself said that the 4th brought over 10mil in free advertising. That advertising wasn't just NH or IA either, it was across the nation. And let's not forget that we saw a significant jump in his polling numbers nationwide in the week following Nov 5.

2mil on the 30th may buy $2mil worth of advertising in one or two states. 10mil on the 16th will provide free advertsing in EVERY state - including all of the early primary states. And the massive cash infusion will give the campaign all the money they need for last minute ads and to start getting out the message in the Super Tuesday states.

As others with media and campaign experience have mentioned, 30 second spots don't win elections. They help, but media coverage does more. Just ask your average IA caucus-goer which they pay more attention to, and which is more influential - a mention by a well known local or national media personality, or a 30 second spot with phoney sounding paid actors.


There's nothing wrong with donating today, tomorrow, or yesterday. The more donations, the better. But as far as getting the most bang for our bucks via a concentrated donation day, the 16th is it. The 30th is silly. If you want to give now, just do it. Don't wait for the 30th. Afterall, the entire argument for the 30th is that HQ needs money NOW, not LATER. If you're willing to wait a week, then why not just hold onto it for 16 more days? Personally, I maxed out during Q3. My ex maxed out in Q2, and she and I helped our families max out during the final push in Q3. We got my brothers maxxed out on Nov 5th. And now we're giving those in the family who like RP but haven't donated a little "nudge" to get them to max out on the 16th. And I'm done with t he subject for now. We're heading out for another slim-jim bomb at the malls. The lines are still ridiculous.

 

[McDermit]

The date on that was prior to Nov 5th. A lot of minds were changed on Nov 5th.

His obviously wasn't - or he wouldn't have knocked the 16th.

 

[Cyclone]

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[McDermit]

Second, I too once had reverence for all things uttered by the campaign until I realized that they are falling apart at the seams and being run by children. I called them on Monday and asked them to send out a simple email reminder to tell the folks in Maryland that is was the last day for them to become Republicans so they can vote in the primary. We have a lot of supporters from other parties who are not aware of primary rules. I was told that it was a "waste of time" because they already had the info on their website and "if voters cannot bother to come to the website to learn the rules then we don't need them."

Wow, who at HQ did you talk to about the MD primary thing? That definitely needs to be brought to the attention of a higher-up.

If you don't want to out them here, please PM me the name.

 

[Fred McRomliani]

Let's get $3 million on the 30th and meet the quarter goal with December as gravy.

The 16th will be a final stomp on Giuliani's face.

 

[Mark Rushmore]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=axM7t8OfWxFg&refer=home

Looks like he's counting on us for the 16th, hope this Rudy stuff doesn't slow us down.

 

[Cyclone]

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[Liberty Star]

I submit, for your consideration... the following post, by the person whom we all called a genius for helping us raise over $4 million in one day. I think we owe him the courtesy of reading his post here, and supporting this effort:



Please go to www.RudysReadingList.com and pledge your support for this fundraising day on November 30th, then come back here and let us know you pledged.

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This sounds like a very good idea.

Money for somethin’ good and education for free, as Dire Straits would have put it.

Let's get $3 million on the 30th and meet the quarter goal with December as gravy.

The 16th will be a final stomp on Giuliani's face.

Nice

 

[Cyclone]

Let's get $3 million on the 30th and meet the quarter goal with December as gravy.

The 16th will be a final stomp on Giuliani's face.

Come on, let's just get 30 million on each day! We have unlimited funds and can raise any amount with the snap of a finger.

Or do you perhaps think that there is a limit to how much we have to give and taking 3 million away from the 16th might turn a bang into a fizzle?

For heaven's sake people - think!

 

[LibertyEagle]

Have you read this?

Nov. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Presidential candidate Ron Paul said he has raised more than $9 million in the past two months and he predicted his campaign will exceed its $12 million fourth-quarter goal.

``It looks like we can't stay under it,'' Paul, a long-shot candidate for the Republican nomination, said in an interview on Bloomberg Television's ``Political Capital with Al Hunt,'' scheduled to air today. Paul said organizers expect a Dec. 16 fundraising blitz to bring in more than the $4.2 million a similar event raised on Nov. 5, an ``astounding'' amount.

Paul said he has begun ``spending generously'' in key early- primary states. He is competing in New Hampshire, Iowa, South Carolina and Nevada, and said he expects to have money to campaign through Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, when at least 22 states may hold primaries and decide the nomination.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=axM7t8OfWxFg&refer=home

We are going to look like absolute idiots if we do not blow the December 16th fundraiser completely out of the ballpark. Not only that, but we will have put egg all over Ron Paul's face!!

Why? Because a few of us had a knee-jerk reaction to an email from a 20-something year old and instead of going to the campaign for clarification, have almost single-handedly derailed all the efforts and promotion that have gone into The Tea Party.

 

[Fred McRomliani]

Come on, let's just get 30 million on each day! We have unlimited funds and can raise any amount with the snap of a finger.

Or do you perhaps think that there is a limit to how much we have to give and taking 3 million away from the 16th might turn a bang into a fizzle?

For heaven's sake people - think!

The campaign has made it clear that they can't wait until December 16th to perform in Iowa and New Hampshire (January 3 and 8.)

I'll be giving the same amount I gave on the 5th for Rudy's Reading List and the Tea Party. Hopefully the other 38,000 donors on the 5th can do the same.

 

[hddn-agnda]

Come on, let's just get 30 million on each day! We have unlimited funds and can raise any amount with the snap of a finger.

Or do you perhaps think that there is a limit to how much we have to give and taking 3 million away from the 16th might turn a bang into a fizzle?

For heaven's sake people - think!

10 Million becomes 7, still a world record... if you have no confidence that a world record would be covered by the media, why would they cover 10? Wouldn't another 5 million dollar day do the same thing?

Your circular logic fails the stupid test, unfortunately.

 

[jonathanwebb]

Come on, let's just get 30 million on each day! We have unlimited funds and can raise any amount with the snap of a finger.

Or do you perhaps think that there is a limit to how much we have to give and taking 3 million away from the 16th might turn a bang into a fizzle?

For heaven's sake people - think!

Maybe you ought to change your username into "Hurricane", because you are sure stirring up more of a storm that a measly little "Cyclone". I think you're being facetious in your quote above; at least I hope so.

Actually, if we play this right, and stick with both Nov 30 & Dec 16, we can get three headlines out of this:

1. "Ron Paul campaign exceeds quarterly funding goal one month early"... and

2. "Ron Paul wins New Hampshire primary"... and

3. "Ron Paul campaign makes history, raising $10 mil in one day".

If we wait until the 16th, the only headline we'll get is #3, and possibly just a "Howard Dean" footnote in political journals.

 

[Liberty Star]

Come on, let's just get 30 million on each day! We have unlimited funds and can raise any amount with the snap of a finger.

Or do you perhaps think that there is a limit to how much we have to give and taking 3 million away from the 16th might turn a bang into a fizzle?

For heaven's sake people - think!

Those who have committed for Dec 16 would still donate then and that should remain the big day of fury.

However, reaching quarter end goal a month ahead would also create a bang giving a good window of time for it to resonate ahead of primaries. I don't think it would take much away from big bang day on Dec 16, it would converge much of the money that would have gone Ron Paul's way anyway between now and then and add some extra motivation for other people.