‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant

[azxd]

Why does bringing awareness to this problem automatically get equated with cowering and shaking in fear, in some dark hidey hole somewhere.

I live, work, play with my kids, go to the lake, swim, play with the dog, take the kids to the arcade and bowling alley, go out on dates with my wife...I'm not some gibbering maniac hiding out in a bear cave, for fuck's sake.

But how the hell is any of this going to get turned around if, before anything else, people become awakened to the problem?

And how is that to be done, if not by continually calling attention to the fact that, in spite of any rosy outlook, we're in a tight fucking spot right now?

This is Germany 1937 or so.

Pfft ... You got nothing better than this LOL

Being prepared for situations is 99% mental, anyway.

And living a life of fear ain't planning, nor is it preparing.

 

[AuH20]

If anyone thinks that the government elite and it's various tentacles are just going to throw up their arms and start to till the fields after a monetary collapse, you are a fool. To put back Humpty Dumpty together again, so to speak, they need to use hardcore violence or they're toast. A feudal state needs vassals or it cannot exist. So dig your holes deep and prepare.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Why does bringing awareness to this problem automatically get equated with cowering and shaking in fear, in some dark hidey hole somewhere.

My girlfriend is from India and her mom is constantly warning us of danger after danger (my girlfriend claims this is typical of Indian mothers - I only have a sample size of one). She worries when we go to a party we drink too much, and she'll warn about the latest health scare, and she'll literally email us articles about the number of car accidents that took place last week.

She's a sweet woman and I love her but....it's a morbid and unhealthy way to live life and nothing good comes of it.

Constantly fretting over evil people in towers planning to take you down and connecting every newspaper article to this dastardly plot doesn't do any good. How long have you been fretting over this SHTF scenario and how much longer will you?

But how the hell is any of this going to get turned around if, before anything else, people become awakened to the problem?

If you want to awaken people you have to do better than "private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America."

That's based on nothing. That's a guy who wants to sell a book. And it's the same shit that brought us Y2K.

 

[WilliamC]

I think they will use the high way bypass's as a barrier around large cities and wire them off ...

Speaking from a rural perspective that's not a bad idea...

jk

 

[WilliamC]

My girlfriend is from India and her mom is constantly warning us of danger after danger (my girlfriend claims this is typical of Indian mothers - I only have a sample size of one). She worries when we go to a party we drink too much, and she'll warn about the latest health scare, and she'll literally email us articles about the number of car accidents that took place last week.

A wonderful friend of mine is from India, I actually 'helped' her get married (i.e. I listened to her while she was going through the process and helped her make her own mind up about who she married, it worked, they are very happy together) so I got to listen to a lot of stories about both her Mother and, when she finally made up her mind to marry, her future Mother-in-law stories too.

So I appreciate what you are saying, some older Indians are incredibly superstious people and way too deep into astrology.

Her mother in law who lived in India was actually planning the wedding on the advice of her astrologer, but with my help (really just getting my friend to accept she had the authority to direct her own wedding) the lovely couple ended up largely doing it their way.

Brings a tear to my eye thinking about it, me playing cupid and everything.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Why does bringing awareness to this problem automatically get equated with cowering and shaking in fear, in some dark hidey hole somewhere.

I live, work, play with my kids, go to the lake, swim, play with the dog, take the kids to the arcade and bowling alley, go out on dates with my wife...I'm not some gibbering maniac hiding out in a bear cave, for fuck's sake.

But how the hell is any of this going to get turned around if, before anything else, people become awakened to the problem?

And how is that to be done, if not by continually calling attention to the fact that, in spite of any rosy outlook, we're in a tight fucking spot right now?

This is Germany 1937 or so.

This.

And I think WWII Germany is pretty rosy compared to what the globalists have planned for us.

 

[oyarde]

A wonderful friend of mine is from India, I actually 'helped' her get married (i.e. I listened to her while she was going through the process and helped her make her own mind up about who she married, it worked, they are very happy together) so I got to listen to a lot of stories about both her Mother and, when she finally made up her mind to marry, her future Mother-in-law stories too.

So I appreciate what you are saying, some older Indians are incredibly superstious people and way too deep into astrology.

Her mother in law who lived in India was actually planning the wedding on the advice of her astrologer, but with my help (really just getting my friend to accept she had the authority to direct her own wedding) the lovely couple ended up largely doing it their way.

Brings a tear to my eye thinking about it, me playing cupid and everything.

I would like to do some fishing there...

 

[azxd]

Be very afraid ...

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Why does bringing awareness to this problem automatically get equated with cowering and shaking in fear, in some dark hidey hole somewhere.

It's because the deniers are secretly aware of what is going to happen, and they're very afraid. Denial is their defense mechanism. 'Everything is going to be ok' is the pitiful mindset that keeps them going about their trivial lives

 

[John F Kennedy III]

It's because the deniers are secretly aware of what is going to happen, and they're very afraid. Denial is their defense mechanism. 'Everything is going to be ok' is the pitiful mindset that keeps them going about their trivial lives

This.

 

[osan]

Riveting? Perhaps. So are many known fictions. Is this a fiction as well? How can one tell?

Do not allow the desire to believe or to have something concrete in your minds drive you to accept that which us unsupported in substance. The drive to achieve resolution in one's mind is strong and can lead one to err in their decision making in environments as psychologically hostile as we find everywhere today. Constant mental strife, even if working only in the "background" can be very corrosive to the spirit and people want to grab on to something that feels certain. This can be so over whelming that we decide to believe things that may be false or only partly true. Beware of this. Endure the uncertainty and cling to what you know to be true.

I agree with the several others urging caution. These are the sorts of stories that can drive you to misery and paranoia. While the claims may be true, they may also be distorted or even outright lies. The stakes in this game are as high as they get in the human sphere and history provides abundant examples of what some people are willing to do for power, good intentions or otherwise.

It is good to be prepared, but do not allow the worries over such unproven stories of tomorrow's trouble ruin the quality of your life today. Do not let it ruin that of the lives around you - spouses, siblings, children, friends, etc. If the big day comes, we will not be prepared for it regardless and all we will be able to do is our best. Sweating things further than this is probably a waste of life. Keep note of things, but until you have real proof try not to get too vested in them. Getting lead down the garden path is as bad as being caught unprepared. Vigilance, yes. Eroding paranoia, no.

 

[FunkBuddha]

Jack Spirco of thesurvivalpodcast.com cured my fear and paranoia long ago. Now I can prep without fear and with focus. I prep to make myself more self sufficient so that I can live a better life if times get tough, or even if they don't. It's part of my life and even part of my retirement plan.

Oh, back on topic, those assholes must be absolutely terrified of a backlash against them. They'll lose that game.

 

[jmdrake]

What exactly does "the collapse" entail. If its a "mathematical inevitably" you obviously must have a mathematically sound theory of what it actually entails.

And I don't think I'm burying my head in the sand by not freaking out constantly about a collapse. I actually used to do that to a large degree but that was way before Paul. My point is actually the reverse of what you are saying, I'm saying the collapsaholics are the ones who seem to want to bury their head in the sand by constantly denying any kind of educational strategy and just waiting for doomsday in their couch fort.

I'm not sure why you see this as an either/or. The types of preparations you mentioned are mostly good to do regardless. Everyone needs a ham radio and backup power for instance. That's just common sense regardless of what the government might do. Think Katrina style disaster. (As I type this I'm reminded on how far behind I am on my own preparation). The folks most likely to support Ron Paul are the ones who are the most worried about a collapse. The "it will all work itself out somehow" people vote Romneybama. Yeah if Ron Paul got elected president and/or we got enough "liberty candidates" in congress we could stave this thing off. But there's nothing wrong with looking at what's going on around you and saying "Hmmmm....maybe having a good water filter so I can drink from my pond and not get sick isn't a bad idea". The government is obviously accelerating tyranny. They are doing it for a reason. I don't think that reason is so that people won't get involved with "peaceful" change. If it is, then the exact opposite has happened. And the Alex Jones types have accelerated that. I'd be an Obama supporter if I hadn't woken up.

 

[jmdrake]

If you want to awaken people you have to do better than "private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America."

You have to do anything but read the newspaper. Our president has now assumed authority to order the killing of Americans without trial. The NDAA gives the government discretion to hold Americans in prison indefinitely without trial. The whole TSA naked body scanner apparatus is designed solely to demoralize and debase the American people into accepting anything. The reaction of the sheeple to this system which does NOTHING to protect us from actual terrorism and that is admitted by the government itself is "I don't care if they see me naked". Meanwhile children are being virtually strip searched (yes even by the new machines) and molested (yes even when they "cooperate") and irradiated at a level so unacceptable that those dastardly machines are being banned in the EU. Actual anti-explosive technology which works (the "puffer" machines) weren't "good" enough because they didn't fit into the psych warfare scheme and they weren't backed by former DHS head Michael Chertoff.

That's based on nothing. That's a guy who wants to sell a book. And it's the same shit that brought us Y2K.

You know, if a "private investigator" had said in 2007 that major finance corporations were going to collapse and the going to ram through a bailout, even if he "made up" his "facts" he still would have been right. And you didn't need a psychic or a "private investigator" to see that. Same thing with the current build up of tyranny in the country in the face of growing economic stupidity? Why is the DHS stocking up on bullet proof checkpoints and unprecedented amounts of ammo? Just to shoot at looters in the next Katrina? I think not. As for Y2K, that was mainly the government and MSM hyping that. I hadn't even heard of Alex Jones or the like back then. The fear was palpable. As a computer scientist I knew it was overblown. Uneducated people thought that anti-lock brakes depended on the year. This is different. Our debt is unsustainable and growing. Tyranny is growing at the same rate.

 

[Working Poor]

John Titor

Yes he told us of one of the realities. Reality is in the eye of the beholder...

 

[Lindsey]

I think I'll be one of the first to die in the case of civil unrest. I am just gonna keep on living my life until that day comes.

 

[osan]

You do realize that, if SHTF like we all are talking about here, the vast majority of that "enemy" you talk of will be wearing blue uniforms and badges?

Some things bear repetition, so here is what I see:

Barring special strategic reasons, those in power (TIP) will always do what they can to gain voluntary compliance in avoidance of unnecessary violence and outright warfare. Violence is inherently non-linear and wise men understand well that even the most seemingly innocuous violence can run beyond the boundaries of acceptability and cause undesirable effects. Keeping the cattle under control using the least force necessary is usually the best approach, especially in this age of mechanized mass politics.

But if things take a turn where violence is either desired or has erupted beyond one's control, then I believe the best strategy in the context of mechanized political control is to recruit manpower from the ranks of the cattle themselves. The best way that I can see for accomplishing this is to bring conditions to such a controlled pass that normal everyday living becomes sufficiently difficult that the most desperate and frightened become readily willing to trade their fealty and blind service for meals and shelter. For the right personalities, there will also be that sense of being "in" - part of something greater than themselves, what with the uniform, the training, the indoctrination, the authority, the adrenaline, the newfound sense of purpose and safety and of having gotten theirs.

Such people, our former neighbors, stand on the whole to become the most vicious enemies imaginable. It is an old saw as perennial as the grasses. We were treated to penultimate examples of this throughout the 20th century, first with the Soviets and their synthetic culture of ingrained squealing, neighbor against neighbor. Then Uncle Adolph and his jack-boot battalion pretty well followed suit to the point you even had Jews ratting out their own in trade for some meager benefit. Then the pervert Mao in China showed us yet another march down that path with a string of lesser tyrants and butchers following the same formula of turning neighbors against each other.

Divide.

Conquer.

And yet for all the technology-enabled and EASILY HAD history available to us, it appears we are still more than willing to fall for this old trick and I think it speaks very directly to the basic nature of the human animal. We are readily drawn from our principles, such as they may be individually, for the sake of pretty things, for ease, for comfort. Anything if SOMEONE will ease our burdens and give us free stuff. This is the hazard that the principled man has always faced in relation to those around him of lesser fabric.

The real problem in all of this will be the sheer numbers.

Recall the days when the "government" was stockpiling cheese and butter through farm subsidies? Remember how stupid and pointless it all seemed? What if there was another purpose behind it; a strategic purpose for the rainy day either they saw as inevitable or knew would be brought artificially to bear upon the people of this nation? In a time where food has suddenly become notably and perhaps frighteningly unavailable, huge stocks of such proteins and fats would come in very hand to a government looking to buy the loyalties of hungry and frightened people. There is probably a lot of those life-sustaining commodities on tap, which would feed a huge army of new volunteers long enough to get a big job done. In such a case, it would be we who have paid for the rope to be put around our own necks. Just something to think about.

Sound political strategy runs deeply and with a subtlety most people simply refuse to take in, much less consider, and far less so to accept. Thereby do the seekers and cultivators of power proceed, confounding the common man utterly and leaving him to shriek "conspiracy nut" to anyone raising such issues as this.

 

[Anti Federalist]

My girlfriend is from India and her mom is constantly warning us of danger after danger (my girlfriend claims this is typical of Indian mothers - I only have a sample size of one). She worries when we go to a party we drink too much, and she'll warn about the latest health scare, and she'll literally email us articles about the number of car accidents that took place last week.

She's a sweet woman and I love her but....it's a morbid and unhealthy way to live life and nothing good comes of it.

Oh c'mon BT, that could be any fretful old mother, Indian, Italian, Jewish.

Constantly fretting over evil people in towers planning to take you down and connecting every newspaper article to this dastardly plot doesn't do any good. How long have you been fretting over this SHTF scenario and how much longer will you?

When I stop being right about this shit all the time.

When people like you stop telling me I'm being a paranoid nut, and then, ten years later, everything that "we" were trying to warn people about comes true, and freedom dies a little more, and the ones who called us nuts, just shrug their shoulders and consider the state's latest outrage and attack on liberty to be nothing more than another successful fait accompli.

I told people 25 years ago that aggressive drunk driving enforcement and seat belt laws would lead to roadblocks and blood tests and prison for thousands of people.

I was called a nut and a fear monger.

I was right.

That is just one example.

If you want to awaken people you have to do better than "private investigator Doug Hagmann said high-level, reliable sources told him the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is preparing for “massive civil war” in America."

That's based on nothing. That's a guy who wants to sell a book. And it's the same shit that brought us Y2K.

This is just one story, and, OK, maybe it's not "sourced" enough to your suit your tastes.

Is it my imagination that, under the new NDAA, the president or his designate, can sign a directive, strip you of citizenship and rights and ship you off to a foreign nation for torture and execution, with no due process or constitutional protections?

No, it's not, that's the fucking law, right now, no shit.

Just because it isn't happening every day, to thousands of people, does not change the fact that the law is in place.

How much of a "push" do you honestly think it would take for government to start acting on that law in a major way?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I could have saved some typing and just said "that".

+rep

You have to do anything but read the newspaper. Our president has now assumed authority to order the killing of Americans without trial. The NDAA gives the government discretion to hold Americans in prison indefinitely without trial. The whole TSA naked body scanner apparatus is designed solely to demoralize and debase the American people into accepting anything. The reaction of the sheeple to this system which does NOTHING to protect us from actual terrorism and that is admitted by the government itself is "I don't care if they see me naked". Meanwhile children are being virtually strip searched (yes even by the new machines) and molested (yes even when they "cooperate") and irradiated at a level so unacceptable that those dastardly machines are being banned in the EU. Actual anti-explosive technology which works (the "puffer" machines) weren't "good" enough because they didn't fit into the psych warfare scheme and they weren't backed by former DHS head Michael Chertoff.



You know, if a "private investigator" had said in 2007 that major finance corporations were going to collapse and the going to ram through a bailout, even if he "made up" his "facts" he still would have been right. And you didn't need a psychic or a "private investigator" to see that. Same thing with the current build up of tyranny in the country in the face of growing economic stupidity? Why is the DHS stocking up on bullet proof checkpoints and unprecedented amounts of ammo? Just to shoot at looters in the next Katrina? I think not. As for Y2K, that was mainly the government and MSM hyping that. I hadn't even heard of Alex Jones or the like back then. The fear was palpable. As a computer scientist I knew it was overblown. Uneducated people thought that anti-lock brakes depended on the year. This is different. Our debt is unsustainable and growing. Tyranny is growing at the same rate.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Dear person reading this. Read the above two posts a 2nd time ^