‘We Are Preparing For Massive Civil War’ Says DHS Informant

[Danke]

How much longer will they be prepping for this?

A lot of insurance policies I have had over the years without needing, I wonder how much longer I'll be paying into them...

 

[Vanilluxe]

The problem with this is that most of the country does not see these people as criminals. What we consider crimes, are simply normal in their eyes. Any attempts at holding them accountable for their crimes would be seen as illegitimate, and ultimately this would result in the war we would prefer to avoid.

Secession IMO.

Secession would ruin our cause for a peaceful revolution and it will give the government an excuse to lock us "terrorist" up and turn people against us and Congress would pass a law much worse than the Patriot Act. The media would then treat the event as if its another 9/11. Secession would be the last thing we want and one of the most good outcomes to happen to the ones in control (its a trap).

 

[BlackTerrel]

A lot of insurance policies I have had over the years without needing, I wonder how much longer I'll be paying into them...

Why? If SHTF Insurance will be worthless.

 

[Danke]

Why? If SHTF Insurance will be worthless.

Ya, it was so dumb to buy all that gold and silver, hedging, what a silly thing to do. Might as well get rid of those fire extinguishers, EMK, etc.

 

[oyarde]

Ya, it was so dumb to buy all that gold and silver, hedging, what a silly thing to do. Might as well get rid of those fire extinguishers, EMK, etc.

I am trying to picture you properly using a fire ext. , meh I have my ins paid too .

 

[TheTexan]

Secession would ruin our cause for a peaceful revolution and it will give the government an excuse to lock us "terrorist" up and turn people against us and Congress would pass a law much worse than the Patriot Act. The media would then treat the event as if its another 9/11. Secession would be the last thing we want and one of the most good outcomes to happen to the ones in control (its a trap).

Secession is an act of peace. If they choose to aggress us, that's their choice to make. But if they do, we certainly won't let them just "lock us up."

This idea that if we secede they will destroy us is what they want you to think. This is the prison you hold the key to, but you will not unlock the door because of this fear. You cannot live in fear your entire life.

There are a great many places to secede to, and a great many ways to do it. Some ways are more likely to invoke the wrath of the State. Depending on location & strategy, the chances of the State violently invading us becomes nil.

Secession is what inevitably needs to happen. In my opinion these ideas that any attempt at secession would be quickly & violently squashed are extremely overblown. But even if they do try to quell the secession, I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

The dillusional are not cowards, but it can be argued that some are ill-informed, and thus think things will be "fine and dandy".

As for the collapse, I do not possess a crystal ball, so I'll have to take your word about this.

The misinformed are cowards too because it's not exactly hard to find this information nowadays. They choose to bury their heads in the sand IMO

How prepared are you ?

Not enough. I am no preparedness expert or survivalist. I have taken basic measures. I don't have really any wealth to protect, but I've urged my family to buy silver. Sadly, they haven't taken my advice. I am trying to get into better shape and become proficient with firearms as well. I want to meet up with militia folks and perhaps do training missions with them too.

Fear controls many, and many are wussies because of their fear.

I can understand why people would be fearful, but I personally am not afraid. I look at the so-called elites like they're dirt, and I will happily do whatever it takes to see them defeated. I pray that the inevitable collapse brings more people to the side of liberty and isn't as bad as I think it will be. But I think people will run to big daddy government to save them and fall into the trap hook, line and sinker. The population is under heavy psychological warfare, and IMO they'll give up everything in order for the government to get them back to their comfortable reality. The technological revolution is the only event that gives me some optimism about what's to come.

Just watched this documentary. From 1998 these guys were prepping. In it they claim the world population is 5 billion and the NWO plans on killing 4 billion. 14 year later and the world population has actually increased by 2 billion.

They were smart to prep then because it's a million times worse now post 9/11. All of the things I talked about are serious causes for alarm. The writing is on the wall that there's going to be a collapse. Ron Paul talks about it all the time. Would you consider him to be a paranoid kooky doomsday wacko?

 

[oyarde]

Actually , I consider Ron to be very wise and a man that truly understands economics as well as the age old golden rule/ right and wrong .

 

[WilliamC]

I recall it vividly.

And if that happens:

No, but the reason it didn't was because, of course, the same psychopaths were still in charge of the G5 and especially the US.

But there wasn't all out war either, and actually, things did get hugely better for a decade or so.

I know you've been at this probably longer than I AF and never doubt my respect for you (at least your online persona, but I'm sure you a right decent fella in the real world too). But for your own mental health you've got to find your equilibrium and not let things eat at you from the inside out.

Heck you've read about my situation, I've got lot's of reasons to be gloomy not the least of which is that I really am dying, albeit slowly. But even crusty pessimistic old WilliamC had something happen the other night that restored my faith and made me remember what is good and wonderful in my life, so I can't imagine why you can't feel the same.

Just look next to you and see who is standing by you in your real life, she gets it and supports you.

You are a lucky man sir, and I just remind you of that.

 

[WilliamC]

Ya, it was so dumb to buy all that gold and silver, hedging, what a silly thing to do. Might as well get rid of those fire extinguishers, EMK, etc.

I don't know about the fire extinguishers but I'll take the PMs off your hands if you've had enough of them

Heck I've got to sell a bit of junk myself to cover my expenses going to the State Convention in two weeks.

Do you have any idea how much it costs to buy a decent set of cloths?

 

[jmdrake]

Let me ask you this: if an MSM report came out and said "unnamed high level government officials believe Iran is planning to blow up a suitcase nuke in a major US city".

There is independent irrefutable confirmation that the federal government is gearing up for widespread domestic violence. Have you not read the NDAA? Did you miss the story about the government stocking up on ammo? Bullet proof checkpoints? V.I.P.E.R. teams? Did you not see the government crackdown at the G20 summit in Pittsburg?

Is that fear mongering or is that "just being prepared".

It's being silly because there is no irrefutable evidence that A) Iran has a nuclear weapon or B) that "suitcase nukes" even exist. In contrast people on a daily basis show you evidence of what you refuse to acknowledge. There's a difference between avoiding "fear mongering" and avoiding reality.

Because I think that is more likely than a "civil war" or "race war" as promoted by infowars.

That's only because most people so far are willing to go along with insanity like the state molesting children. We may not end up with a civil war. We may end up with people just blindly accepting tyranny. Today it's "I don't mind if they see me naked (and if they grope little children) before going on a plane. It's for my safety." Tomorrow will it be "I don't mind if they full body cavity search me just to go into the mall cause that's for my safety too?"

That is it's hypothetically possible. But I'm at far greater likelihood of dying in a car accident. And I'm not going to change my life due to either.

Fine. Don't. Just sit around like a slug and let the government change your life for you. They already have. If you don't control your life you will be controlled.

 

[Lishy]

Let me get this straight though.

The government lobbyists would rather have civil war just to cling onto power, in order for people like Ben Bernanke to get a blow job from a Japanese Stripper in his jacuzzi? They can't just quit while they're ahead, because that extra $1,000,000 dollars is so important for them?

 

[jmdrake]

Secession is an act of peace. If they choose to aggress us, that's their choice to make. But if they do, we certainly won't let them just "lock us up."

This idea that if we secede they will destroy us is what they want you to think. This is the prison you hold the key to, but you will not unlock the door because of this fear. You cannot live in fear your entire life.

There are a great many places to secede to, and a great many ways to do it. Some ways are more likely to invoke the wrath of the State. Depending on location & strategy, the chances of the State violently invading us becomes nil.

Secession is what inevitably needs to happen. In my opinion these ideas that any attempt at secession would be quickly & violently squashed are extremely overblown. But even if they do try to quell the secession, I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

I you really talking about "secession" or are you talking about "going offline"? Those are two totally different things. Session is a group of people trying to form a new "state" which is really no better than the "state" they were trying to leave. Just look at the hypocrites in the South. The first thing they did when they seceded was try to force slavery onto free whites in the form of a draft. Forget about black slaves. The southern secessionists instituted white slavery!

But "going offline" is different. If a group of people want to exercise their God given rights and simply tell the feds (or the states) to go blow without trying to force anyone else to go along I have no problem with that. That said nullification is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than secession.

 

[TheTexan]

I you really talking about "secession" or are you talking about "going offline"? Those are two totally different things. Session is a group of people trying to form a new "state" which is really no better than the "state" they were trying to leave.

Secession is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity. This can take many forms.

Just look at the hypocrites in the South. The first thing they did when they seceded was try to force slavery onto free whites in the form of a draft. Forget about black slaves. The southern secessionists instituted white slavery!

But "going offline" is different. If a group of people want to exercise their God given rights and simply tell the feds (or the states) to go blow without trying to force anyone else to go along I have no problem with that. That said nullification is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than secession.

Nullification is a form of incremental secession. I'm all for nullification too.

More than anything, I'm for liberty agglomeration projects like the FSP. This, also, is a form of secession.

There's really only two things you need to know:
1) Only a minority of people in this country want freedom. The majority want tyranny.
2) A government is only a representation of its people

So, if you want freedom, the bottom line is you need to surround yourself with liberty-minded people, and separate yourself from others who seek to enslave you. Thus, secession. What form this takes, really is of little importance to me. State, county, move overseas, take an island, micro-secession, go North of the Wall, whatever.

FSP does look to be our best bet presently. Agglomerate in NH -> Nullify -> Secede.

 

[Athan]

Those motherfuckers are going to lose, badly.

If they continue this behavior, yeah I see them losing big time in the long run. It's like they like making arrangements for cutting their own throats. They can be focused all they want on Americans when another threat from outside or someone else they pissed off comes around and ruins their game. Meanwhile, the American people will continue to exist in angry mode. Gang cartels will challenge military forces for control (they really don't give a shit as the peons do the kiling for them), and of course the new superpowered kids on the block flexing their muscle on the feds with their gold backed power currency.

They REALLY need to have someone making a better assessment response plans of how to deal with a financial collapse. Right now they have Mr. Suicide Sepuku making the calls.

 

[jmdrake]

Secession at the "state" level is almost never peaceful. (State as in "government"). At some point the newly formed "state" has to assert its authority. That's what happened in the U.S. Civil War and the attack on Ft. Sumpter. And the other problem is "What about the people who don't want to secede"?

Nullification is different in my book. There's no not to assert what you're going to do. You can just decide to "no cooperate". It's civil disobedience taken to another level. Some states have nullified the NDAA. If enough states said "You know what? You can't use our prisons to house Americans. And we're going to instruct all police not to cooperate with any federal orders." then what? Sure that could become violent, but then you're forcing the feds to make the first move.

As for the FSP, after spending time here at RPF and seeing how some people sling around "property rights" I don't think I'd want to leave there. I'm afraid all of the roads around me would become private property and people could say "You are banned from traveling on my road" and if I dared have a bumper sticker on my car that said "The owners of these roads suck" just my speaking up for myself could be construed as a "violation of property rights" etc.

Secession is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity. This can take many forms.



Nullification is a form of incremental secession. I'm all for nullification too.

More than anything, I'm for liberty agglomeration projects like the FSP. This, also, is a form of secession.

There's really only two things you need to know:
1) Only a minority of people in this country want freedom. The majority want tyranny.
2) A government is only a representation of its people

So, if you want freedom, the bottom line is you need to surround yourself with liberty-minded people, and separate yourself from others who seek to enslave you. Thus, secession. What form this takes, really is of little importance to me. State, county, move overseas, take an island, micro-secession, go North of the Wall, whatever.

FSP does look to be our best bet presently. Agglomerate in NH -> Nullify -> Secede.

 

[Athan]

What exactly does "the collapse" entail. If its a "mathematical inevitably" you obviously must have a mathematically sound theory of what it actually entails.

And I don't think I'm burying my head in the sand by not freaking out constantly about a collapse. I actually used to do that to a large degree but that was way before Paul. My point is actually the reverse of what you are saying, I'm saying the collapsaholics are the ones who seem to want to bury their head in the sand by constantly denying any kind of educational strategy and just waiting for doomsday in their couch fort.

For the math, check our debt clock. Here's the link: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

+ 2 Trillion in Annual Revenue
-3.5 Trillion in Annual Spending
-15 Trillion in Debt
-57 Trillion in Total Debt
-118 Trillion in future unfunded liabilities (Future dues like promises in Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Pensions)

Also we can't just monitize debt. It isn't that simple, as you know we owe 1 trillion to the Federal Reserve. Why? Interest. So as we monitize debt to pay off the debt because we can't pay for it by legitimate means, that means we also create interest owed to the Federal Reserve. Just so you know 175 Trillion (57 Trillion + 118 Trillion = 175 Trillion) will add up to insane amounts of interest due to the fed.

Say thank you Federal Reserve!

 

[TheTexan]

Secession at the "state" level is almost never peaceful. (State as in "government"). At some point the newly formed "state" has to assert its authority. That's what happened in the U.S. Civil War and the attack on Ft. Sumpter.

Ft. Sumpter was 150 years ago. I think it's nigh time for another attempt at secession. There have been enough peaceful secessions in the last 30 years to believe we also can do it peacefully.

And the other problem is "What about the people who don't want to secede"?

Ideally it would be best to scare them out of the vicinity via liberty legislation (FSP is apparently doing this already...), but at the end of the day, this isn't a concern of mine. I'm only concerned insofar that the more "people who don't want to secede" that live there, the less legitimate the attempt will be seen as, and the more likely violence will occur. Other than that, fuck 'em. There's plenty of other places to find tyranny, so if they don't like freedom, they can get out.

Nullification is different in my book. There's no not to assert what you're going to do. You can just decide to "no cooperate". It's civil disobedience taken to another level. Some states have nullified the NDAA. If enough states said "You know what? You can't use our prisons to house Americans. And we're going to instruct all police not to cooperate with any federal orders." then what?

Every nullification is an incremental secession. It's the same thing as secession, just more gradual.

Sure that could become violent, but then you're forcing the feds to make the first move.

Again... same thing with secession.

As for the FSP, after spending time here at RPF and seeing how some people sling around "property rights" I don't think I'd want to leave there. I'm afraid all of the roads around me would become private property and people could say "You are banned from traveling on my road" and if I dared have a bumper sticker on my car that said "The owners of these roads suck" just my speaking up for myself could be construed as a "violation of property rights" etc.

You'd rather live in a country ran like it is today than in a country ran by Ron paul supporters? Interesting. Why are you here again?

 

[AuH20]

Not sure ... But you should hide under your bed, and live in fear

I'd rather be the ant than the grasshopper. And there are many grasshoppers who refuse to see winter coming.

 

[jmdrake]

Ft. Sumpter was 150 years ago. I think it's nigh time for another attempt at secession. There have been enough peaceful secessions in the last 30 years to believe we also can do it peacefully.

There have been far more violent ones than peaceful ones.

Ideally it would be best to scare them out of the vicinity via liberty legislation (FSP is apparently doing this already...), but at the end of the day, this isn't a concern of mine. I'm only concerned insofar that the more "people who don't want to secede" that live there, the less legitimate the attempt will be seen as, and the more likely violence will occur. Other than that, fuck 'em. There's plenty of other places to find tyranny, so if they don't like freedom, they can get out.

Why would you want to scare anyone away? Sounds like a type of initiation of force. And "f*ck em"? If they've been living there much longer than you just "f*ck em"? Would Ron Paul have such a sorry attitude?

Every nullification is an incremental secession. It's the same thing as secession, just more gradual.

Your saying that repeatedly doesn't make it true. Nullification is nullification. Secession is secession. Nullification isn't saying "I'm not part of country X anymore". It's saying "I'm going to ignore law Y".

Again... same thing with secession.

Again, your opinion.

You'd rather live in a country ran like it is today than in a country ran by Ron paul supporters? Interesting. Why are you here again?

I doubt Ron Paul would want to live in a country run by people with a "f*ck em" attitude. So why are you here? And I see you didn't even bother addressing my question. I'll pose it again. What's your answer to the "locked in by liberty" problem where someone could buy up all of the roads around you and say "You're free to travel as long as you don't cross my private property"?

Anyway, to answer your question, many Ron Paul supporters agree with his stated goal of restoring the constitutional republic. And yeah I've seen the "Motorhome diaries" interview and I think that's an interesting intellectual exercise. But intellectual exercises don't happen in a vacuum. Many people who want "liberty" show by their actions that they would enforce their own brand of tyranny given the chance. I was hoping your answer to my question about people who didn't want to secede would be "Well maybe we'd break up into smaller enclaves that didn't include them" or "Maybe we'd move offshore and build an island where people weren't already living" or anything other than a "Hey, let's see if we can pass a law that will scare people who disagree with us away! Yeah, lets all run around naked so that folks who don't understand liberty as well as we do will give up on their 150 year old family farms and leave the state!"

I'm here because Ron Paul is the best chance to end the wars and roll back the police state. I'm not here to join a state project with someone not mature enough to dispassionately debate his ideas.