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Gurley called Obama a Mullah in another debate. That is very hurtful to Muslims.

Gurley referred to the negative connotation of a Mullah. I'm fine with that. I'm not going to bend over backwards to avoid offending hypersensitive religious Muslims.
 
But he gave a stronger message on security (not that I agree with it) and he sounded more accommodating to Kentuckians. Sure, Rand had his moments, but overall this was a disaster for him.

I disagree big time. My take is it started off badly and then finished up well. That debate won't swing the vote one way or another.

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Well that was fun. Rand Paul absolutely hates Trey Grayson. Trey got him flustered, but there didn't seem to be anything game-changing tonight. Virtual draw.
 
But he gave a stronger message on security (not that I agree with it) and he sounded more accommodating to Kentuckians. Sure, Rand had his moments, but overall this was a disaster for him.

As someone in between Ft. Campbell and Ft. Knox.... no he didn't. Most of the military guys I know and the folks who support them do not agree with Cheney or Trey.

Maybe your part of Kentucky is different.
 
exactly, the debates are a waste of time really as are those who actually believe all undecideds will vote for Trey
 
Many undecided voters who were wondering what Rand's stance is on Iran have probably seen it in the debate, and he was not specific at ALL. Most Kentuckians who put fiscal issues first probably already support Rand, but maybe the undecided ones were uncertain about foreign policy and national security.

Seriously, where in Kentucky are you. Even hardcore Republicans want out. Only a few die hard neocons still talking those lines.
 
Exactly. Rand settled in after 10 minutes and absorb the blow.

Trey was pointing and yelling like Gore ala 2000 and Rand put him in place ala Bush.

I just watched the clip again. Man, did Gore really remind me of Trey.

Speaking of getting things done, Trey seemed pretty persuasive in this debate, especially on negotiating the deficit, while painting Rand as an ideologue.
 
Wow. I get done with almost 2 hours worth of phone banking to hear that Rand blew it in the debate. I'm not sure if I want to even watch it now.
 
Also the questions were pretty biased against Rand. "You've called your opponent kooky with strange ideas. Have at it!" Rand got a similar chance but it'd be nice if the moderater said "You've pointed out that your opponent is a career politician that's raised money from AIG lobbyist fundraisers. Have at it!"

Also on the campaign donations Rand Paul was basically praised by Opensecrets and USA Today for the small donations he's received 52% of his funds are small donations compared to something like only 7% of Treyson's.
 
I agree that you can definitely tell that Rand is tired; he really didn't bring his 'A game' today. However, I also wouldn't overestimate the effect of this debate. More people may be tuning into the election as we go into the final week, but the proportion of undecided primary voters who will bother to tune into C-SPAN for a primetime Senate debate is quite small. Most viewers will be political junkies like us, who already decided who they were backing 3 months ago.

The most significant thing that can happen at this point is a candidate blowing up at someone or melting down under a question. Trey was trying hard to make Rand do that, and he thankfully failed. Rand did look a bit awkward at points, but really, Trey getting in snide remarks about knowing what 'Unite' is isn't going to be the game-changer he needs.

So, on balance, Rand may not have looked so hot, but Trey's the one who lost.
 
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Well that was fun. Rand Paul absolutely hates Trey Grayson. Trey got him flustered, but there didn't seem to be anything game-changing tonight. Virtual draw.

This is pretty well spot-on, IMO.
 
As someone in between Ft. Campbell and Ft. Knox.... no he didn't. Most of the military guys I know and the folks who support them do not agree with Cheney or Trey.

Maybe your part of Kentucky is different.

When Rand was asked about Iran, he gave off his platitudes about debating and declaring war, without being specific about Iran itself. And I think Trey was successful in pointing out Rand's position that Iran isn't a threat if they have nukes.

Rand tried to portray it as out of context, but I don't think he won that argument.
 
Speaking of getting things done, Trey seemed pretty persuasive in this debate, especially on negotiating the deficit, while painting Rand as an ideologue.

No, in this year most people will get scared of Trey after hearing about his 10 years plan to balance the budget. People want "an ideologue" much more than a compromiser this year.
 
Wow. I get done with almost 2 hours worth of phone banking to hear that Rand blew it in the debate. I'm not sure if I want to even watch it now.

he didnt blow anything, that's just crap from Fozz who knows nothing and could be an infiltrator
 
he didnt blow anything, that's just crap from Fozz who knows nothing and could be an infiltrator

I am not an infiltrator, and I am offended that you accuse me of that.

I just want to judge this debate without the pro-Rand bias that we all have, and it is clear to me that Rand did terribly in the beginning and okay later.
 
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