Watch KET/CSPAN Debate

[GoatsGoneWild]

If it wasn't clear already, this debate solidifies the notion that Rand seems to dislike Grayson as a human being.

I can't say I blame him. I would love nothing more than to see Grayson's political career be over after this. He represents everything that is broken with government.

 

[Flash]

Is it bad that I would strongly consider voting for Gurley Martin over Rand if I were a Kentuckian? He's more of a Ron Paul Republican than Rand is.

Seriously, I don't understand why so many people support Rand here. Just because he's the son of the Godfather doesn't make him anything like his father.

Have you ever thought the people of KY like Rand Paul because the way he markets his libertarian views rather than his actual libertarian principles? He could go up there yelling about the income tax, drug war, Israeli-American relations but that would keep him out of the Senate and make the whole race pointless. Whats at stake? Millions of dollars that donors gave to the campaign for Rand to be victorious.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Seriously, I don't understand why so many people support Rand here. Just because he's the son of the Godfather doesn't make him anything like his father.

Cause it's clear he is somebody that knows how to win. Winning is attractive.

And Gurley Martin is a crazy old birther.

 

[Derek Johnson]

Rand spoke of the twisting of and big government basing expansive powers via the Commerce clause staring in the 1930s....not a bad point, and true, but waaaay back before the 1930s Hamilton argued that the Clause was really a license for the government to regulate all commerce, intrastate as well as interstate. For "What regulation of [interstate] commerce does not extend to the internal commerce of every State?" he asked. His political compatriots were all too happy to carry this argument forward in order to give themselves the ability to regulate all commerce in America.

I wish Rand had the historical depth and Mises economic bredth of his dad, and his dad's ability to articulate libertarianism in lieu of slinging sandbox turds. Rand is sharp, but gets caught up easily talking about who said what when.

 

[freshjiva]

Have you ever thought the people of KY like Rand Paul because the way he markets his libertarian views rather than his actual libertarian principles? He could go up there yelling about the income tax, drug war, Israeli-American relations but that would keep him out of the Senate and make the whole race pointless. Whats at stake? Millions of dollars that donors gave to the campaign for Rand to be victorious.

Perhaps, but a certain other Congressman from Texas has been elected 11 times and received over a million votes in the 2008 Presidential election on exactly that strategy of pure straight-talk...

One thing is for sure, though: Rand is a much more skilled politician than Ron.

 

[Derek Johnson]

Cause it's clear he is somebody that knows how to win. Winning is attractive.

And Gurley Martin is a crazy old birther.

That's what happens when you call it like it is.

The internet forums label you with names such as "crazy old ______"

Too bad the others do not have his guts. Politics.

 

[StateofTrance]

Gurley: "War is a means of increasing government. If we go to war, we win 'em."

I love this man.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Perhaps, but a certain other Congressman from Texas has been elected 11 times and received over a million votes in the 2008 Presidential election on exactly that strategy of pure straight-talk...

Let's stop this. Ron Paul got just over 5% of the popular vote nationally in the GOP primary. His vote total was less than frickin' Kucinich in 2004 and barely better than Alan Keyes in 2000. He finished 1st in zero states and won something like 12 delegates. I like Ron Paul, I voted for him and will again in 2012 if he runs, but lets get real please: it wasn't a good showing by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

That's what happens when you call it like it is.

The internet forums label you with names such as "crazy old ______"

Too bad the others do not have his guts. Politics.

Sorry Derek, but you can't hide it:

http://www.gurleylmartin.com/

 

[specsaregood]

I can't say I blame him. I would love nothing more than to see Grayson's political career be over after this. He represents everything that is broken with government.

I hope from here on out, we always have a small government republican candidate ready to run against him, for whatever office he runs for, for eternity.

And I know it isn't a good idea to say this in Republican circles, but I hope Rand hand picks somebody to primary McConnell on his next go around.

 

[JohnG]

Marcus Carey for Senate! I hope he runs in 2014. Supposing The Collins isn't interested

/JohnG

 

[klamath]

Is it bad that I would strongly consider voting for Gurley Martin over Rand if I were a Kentuckian? He's more of a Ron Paul Republican than Rand is.

Seriously, I don't understand why so many people support Rand here. Just because he's the son of the Godfather doesn't make him anything like his father.

Maybe since you don't like Rand you haven't been following the race but if you had you wouldn't have missed the constant snarling statements from the RP haters and the Grayson campaign that "RAND IS JUST LIKE HIS FATHER AND IS JUST HIDING IT!"
In case you haven't figured it out a defeat for Rand IS a defeat for RP. The republican establishment and particularly the Neocons (Goul, Chaney and mcConnell) have framed this election as being about defeating RP libertarian Republicans. A defeat for Rand will be a flat out statement that RP is rejected as a leader in the republican party and the Chaney's, Bush's and goul's will retain control of the republican party.

RP will not have a chance in hell of winning anything if Rand loses to the neocon tidal wave of attacks this election.

 

[TheConstitutionLives]

Is it bad that I would strongly consider voting for Gurley Martin over Rand if I were a Kentuckian? He's more of a Ron Paul Republican than Rand is.

Seriously, I don't understand why so many people support Rand here. Just because he's the son of the Godfather doesn't make him anything like his father.

You're obviously not too sharp if you haven't already by now realized that this is a CAMPAIGN.

 

[Derek Johnson]

Sorry Derek, but you can't hide it:

http://www.gurleylmartin.com/

You've taken the bait.

Others haven't.

Now open wide....and swallow.

That's a good boy!

 

[muzzled dogg]

lol gurly posted his birth cert

 

[StateofTrance]

Rand to Trey: "You know it's a lie because you desperately need this job so badly that you lie to try to get it.." LOL

 

[Matt Collins]

Yes, I started drinking after I saw my Lakers were about to start. I hope it burns off by the time I wake up at 4:30am.

There seems to be a recurring theme in your posts here...

 

[Matt Collins]

I wish Rand had the historical depth and Mises economic bredth

He does

 

[Nathan Hale]

I agree with all that, and still, I think Trey was nowhere close to winning the debate. He might've made Rand look bad on one issue, but Rand made him look bad on balanced budgets, which voters care more about.

I think Trey countered the balanaced budget criticism well. While Rand was stuck on the ropes on Iran and Gitmo.

 

[Matt Collins]

but lets get real please: it wasn't a good showing by any stretch of the imagination.

Actually it was great for people of his (our) ideaology. Typically liberty candidates would only receive 1 or 2% of the vote.